Around the League 2022-23 season thread - part II

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I'm the least religious person I know... I am also a supporter of everything involving the LGBTQ+ community... so my opinion is obvious. But without even getting into that, I am such a hockey traditionalist my first thought was "he must know this is going to make everything about him. Just put the thing on, take warmups, and focus on winning a hockey game"

Now everything is about him and not the team which to me is the worst part. Wearing a warmup jersey doesn't make you the spokesperson and CEO of an LGBTQ+ organization.

Do you think every single person in the NHL supports every single promotional or social campaign a team runs? They do it because it's better than making a spectacle of yourself.
 

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Why wouldn't he play?

I think he's a horse's ass but forcing people to comply shouldn't be on the table.
I can't show up to work not in uniform.

Want to protest because of your fairytale? I'm docking your pay until you comply. Don't like it? Go work somewhere else.

It's also interesting that this is where he's choosing to virtue signal yet he refuses to denounce Putin.

You'd think a man with such high moral standards would have the gumption to stand up for the downtrodden given his position of celebrity.
 
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thats a good point i'm really surprised that hasn't happened yet. not so much in the nhl but do other sports do military jersey nights?

It hasn’t happened yet because young men that are making millions of dolllars are usually not that interested in putting that in jeopardy to make a political statement.

Yes, other sports do at least as much as the NHL does. The military pays the NFL tons of money to promote them. The relationship is well known.
 

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He's been playing in one of the most progressive US cities for the first 7 years of his NHL career, please spare me this bullshit, it's not like he's an 18 year old coming from a country over that's less inviting to LGBT views. And he's played in pride night games before so why was tonight any different? What's the difference him wearing a jersey this time when it had stick tape from last year's game? The people defending him are outing themselves worse than he did. That's the last I'm gonna say, not trying to hijack this thread or make it tougher for mods to clean up this site.

According to the Philly board, this is the first time they asked players to wear pride jerseys in warmups. Last year, there was the option to have rainbow stick tape, but Provorov declined. So, at the very least he's been consistent.

I will defend his choice not to wear the jersey. If you want to jump to conclusions about what that means about me personally, without knowing me, my beliefs or how I treat people than so be it.

People seem to be missing the point of pride night. The point isn’t to say “I wish I was gay” or anything like that. It’s also not trying to make a political point.

Pride nights (and other similar) are meant to create an inclusive culture in hockey where people aren’t bullied and shut out just for being who they are. By not wearing the jersey, Provorov is implicitly supporting the bullying, name calling, violence, etc.

You can say that’s not what he’s explicitly doing, but there’s no doubt about what his action means. And that’s why he’s being a bad guy.

This is an interesting post. I agree with the bolded part on what the intent of these nights is, though I don't think everyone views it the same way. I also don't think that by Provorov declining to wear the jersey that he is implicitly supporting "bullying, name calling, violence". Maybe if he took an active anti-LGBTQ+ stance I could see that, but that doesn't appear to be the case. I mean, in a relatively short span of time overall society has gone from being asked to be tolerant and accepting of others' lifestyles (which by all means, Provorov appears to be) to the point that if one player doesn't wear a pride jersey they're somehow now supporting "violence" against a group of people. Really?

Personally, if I was being asked by my company to wear pride gear...I don't think I would do it. And not because of any hatred for anybody that identifies as part of it. People can do what they want, be what they want, love who they want - I really don't care. I hate to have to bring up the "I have gay friends" line, but...I have gay friends and I don't want to see them discriminated against or face hatred for their personal lives. While I am somewhat religious (could certainly be much better), I wouldn't necessarily just pin it on that either, nor do I care to push any of my religious beliefs on anyone else (though I will say the level of anti-religious rhetoric surrounding this issue on these boards was a bit surprising). I just don't think anyone should be coerced into having to support a cause they may not fully be on-board with for whatever reason, and while I understand many will simply view wearing a pride jersey as supporting an inclusive culture (as you mentioned), others may view the wider LGBTQ+ movement and have issues with certain aspects of it (rightly or wrongly), whether it be the rapid rise in gender dysphoria and use of hormone blockers or even surgery among teenagers and kids, the ever-expanding list of pronouns and genders, teaching/exposing kids about sexuality at younger and younger ages, etc. I don't want to get into any of these topics and I'm sure it's against board rules, so I'm really trying to tread lightly here - just trying to make the point that people may not all view the significance of wearing the pride jersey the same way nor might refusing to do so be just due to bigoted, evil reasons as many seem to believe.

To a certain extent, I also don't think it's necessarily fair to put players in this position where they either go along with something they don't believe in or face severe social consequences - I'm sure there are some younger/fringe players with less clout that may unwittingly go along with it as they just can't take the risk to their career by going against it. I'm also sure that you can make the same argument against military nights as well - particularly considering so many of the players in the league are foreign born.
 

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I can't show up to work not in uniform.

Want to protest because of your fairytale? I'm docking your pay until you comply. Don't like it? Go work somewhere else.

It's also interesting that this is where he's choosing to virtue signal yet he refuses to denounce Putin.

You'd think a man with such high moral standards would have the gumption to stand up for the downtrodden given his position of celebrity.
I think your confused, it was a t-shirt during warmups, it was not part of their uniform.
 

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the absolute immediate need by some people to rush to defend Provorov is the weirdest thing about this to me. Yes, sure, he has the right to do what he wants. And now he must live with those actions...from the fans, his teammates, etc. If you don't like that? Tough shit, basically.
 

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Well what "reasons" do you think he should've stated if it wasn't religion-based? I'm very curious.
I dont know his reasons but if hes a big time believer in his religion and that religion doesn't support gays or believes in them. then i really can't believe him when he turns around and says that he "respects everyone and their decisions" which he clearly doesn't since he believes what his religion is preaching him about them.

doesn't change the way i view him as a hockey player i only really care about what happens on the ice production not really someone who cares what they do/say off the ice.

i know a lot of people on here wouldn't want him on the devils because of this but i wouldn't really care if he could help the team win thats what i care about. this is just an example not saying that i want him on the team.
 

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the absolute immediate need by some people to rush to defend Provorov is the weirdest thing about this to me. Yes, sure, he has the right to do what he wants. And now he must live with those actions...from the fans, his teammates, etc. If you don't like that? Tough shit, basically.
There is a difference to defending a player's belief and defending a player's right to express their belief.
 

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Ok, this discussion is officially getting worse.


A hockey player wouldn’t put rainbow tape on his warm-up stick and now that’s a political statement beyond “everyone can play” because some culture war nonsense I’m going to leave alone.

I have to say if you have gay friends and then told them you wouldn’t briefly put on a pro-tolerance shirt because “reasons”… well, that’s a hilarious thing to tell them honestly.

And holy shit, nothing happened to Provorov other than he’s a new hero to terrible people on social media.
 

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the absolute immediate need by some people to rush to defend Provorov is the weirdest thing about this to me. Yes, sure, he has the right to do what he wants. And now he must live with those actions...from the fans, his teammates, etc. If you don't like that? Tough shit, basically.
Am I "some people"?

Hope not.
 

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the absolute immediate need by some people to rush to defend Provorov is the weirdest thing about this to me. Yes, sure, he has the right to do what he wants. And now he must live with those actions...from the fans, his teammates, etc. If you don't like that? Tough shit, basically.
i dont' think anyone from what i've seen is defending him
 
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I dont know his reasons but if hes a big time believer in his religion and that religion doesn't support gays or believes in them. then i really can't believe him when he turns around and says that he "respects everyone and their decisions" which he clearly doesn't since he believes what his religion is preaching him about them.

doesn't change the way i view him as a hockey player i only really care about what happens on the ice production not really someone who cares what they do/say off the ice.

i know a lot of people on here wouldn't want him on the devils because of this but i wouldn't really care if he could help the team win thats what i care about. this is just an example not saying that i want him on the team.
Well I wouldn't want him here because he SUCKS as a Defenseman.
 

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Ok, this discussion is officially getting worse.


A hockey player wouldn’t put rainbow tape on his warm-up stick and now that’s a political statement beyond “everyone can play” because some culture war nonsense I’m going to leave alone.

I have to say if you have gay friends and then told them you wouldn’t briefly put on a pro-tolerance shirt because “reasons”… well, that’s a hilarious thing to tell them honestly.

And holy shit, nothing happened to Provorov other than he’s a new hero to terrible people on social media.
How is it getting worse? It's funny how we always hear "we need to have a discussion" on a hot topic but the one minute it happens they want to shut it down.

And as far as nothing happening to Provorov, this is not over for him by a long shot, his ignorance is likely going to cost him $$$ down the road. No one is going to want to have him push a product and it will hurt him when it comes to looking for a new contract because he's hurt his own value.
 
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There is a difference to defending a player's belief and defending a player's right to express their belief.

That’s not why people are defending him (or cheering him on).

Defend his right to express from who or what? Criticism? Nothing happened to him. How about gay fans of his that now know he views them as monsters?

Again, nothing is happening to him.
 

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How is it getting worse? It's funny how we always hear "we need to have a discussion" on a hot topic but the one minute it happens they want to shut it down.

And as far as nothing happening to Provorov, this is not over for him by a long shot, his ignorance is likely going to cost him $$$ down the road. No one is going to want to have him push a product and it will hurt him when it comes to looking for a new contract because he's hurt his own value.
Exactly.

This is going to hurt him straight in the wallet when all is said and done.

Not sure if any team out there would want the bad optics he would bring to the team if they signed him as a FA.
 

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There is a difference to defending a player's belief and defending a player's right to express their belief.

Everyone that lives in this country realizes that he has that right. We don't need to bring it up tbh.

i dont' think anyone from what i've seen is defending him

just to be clear- I didnt mean anyone here on this board specifically.
 
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I can't show up to work not in uniform.

Want to protest because of your fairytale? I'm docking your pay until you comply. Don't like it? Go work somewhere else.

It's also interesting that this is where he's choosing to virtue signal yet he refuses to denounce Putin.

You'd think a man with such high moral standards would have the gumption to stand up for the downtrodden given his position of celebrity.

You can make your point without having to bash religion as "your fairytale" if you actually want to have a respectful conversation on the topic.

I do think him just deferring to religion though is a bit of a cop out, though it also seems that he stating that as a way to try to not make a bigger deal of it than it already was. There is absolutely nothing that he could've said that would go over well with those that disagree with his decision.

In all fairness, he can't just "go work somewhere else" as he is under contract - and there was no requirement to wear pride jerseys as part of the contract, nor was that something that Philly was doing when he signed it over two years ago.
 

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That’s not why people are defending him (or cheering him on).

Defend his right to express from who or what? Criticism? Nothing happened to him. How about gay fans of his that now know he views them as monsters?

Again, nothing is happening to him.
Who here is cheering him on? Or defending his faith and dislike for gays? I'm sure as hell not.
 

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That’s not why people are defending him (or cheering him on).

Defend his right to express from who or what? Criticism? Nothing happened to him. How about gay fans of his that now know he views them as monsters?

Again, nothing is happening to him.
Wait! He does? :huh:

Aren't we blowing this just a tad out of proportion?

He just may have made a career-altering (in a bad way financially) move by doing this as no team would want the bad optics involved when it comes to him, going forward.

That said, the only statement we have from him is what he said with the whole "respect other's choices...blahblahblah" stuff.

Anyway.... I have better things to do than discuss a CRAPPY Overrated D-Man. (which he is)
 

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Stonewall was 1969. That’s fifty four years. The shift in attitudes is not that much younger than the dismantling of Jim Crow laws. To me, bigotry against gay people is as offensive as racial bigotry.

I’m actually not a fan of a lot of pride stuff because to me it smacks of empty gestures and corporate PR, but that doesn’t change the message it sends when you very visibly decide not to participate.

I agree wholeheartedly with all of this.
 
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