Around the League 2022-23 season thread - part II

[severian]

It is his god given right to not put on that sweater, and my god given right to say he’s a motherf***er for not doing it.

This

 

[Guadana]

It is his god given right to not put on that sweater, and my god given right to say he’s a motherf***er for not doing it.

And he isn't putting sweater, and you hate. If we talk about real move.

You should start to talk about trading Mukhamadullin. Muslims is much harder about this than orthodox Christians

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

And he isn't putting sweater, and you hate. If we talk about real move.

You should start to talk about trading Mukhamadullin. Muslims is much harder about this than orthodox Christians

Completely different situation. If Mukhamadullin comes over in his first year in NA(no I don't count his AHL stint as being here) where he becomes a NHL regular and clearly has some doubts or questions about a pride night then Devils leadership should step up and help up get informed or answer his questions. If he pulls the same shit Provorov did then he's in the same boat.

 

[Guadana]

Completely different situation. If Mukhamadullin comes over in his first year in NA(no I don't count his AHL stint as being here) where he becomes a NHL regular and clearly has some doubts or questions about a pride night then Devils leadership should step up and help up get informed or answer his questions. If he pulls the same shit Provorov did then he's in the same boat.

I'm not saying that he will act like Provorov 100%, but the chance is really big.

I like how multiculture idea is working in modern agnostic/post catholic world.

 

[severian]

And he isn't putting sweater, and you hate. If we talk about real move.

You should start to talk about trading Mukhamadullin. Muslims is much harder about this than orthodox Christians

Mukh wouldn’t be the first Muslim in the NHL. Kadri is Muslim and I’ve never heard him having a similar issue.

 

[Blackjack]

Can you imagine what would happen if someone refused to wear the military jersey because they didn’t believe in violence?

That would never be tolerated and it’s a far more legitimate belief.

 

[Guadana]

Mukh wouldn’t be the first Muslim in the NHL. Kadri is Muslim and I’ve never heard him having a similar issue.

You(not only you) clearly don't understand the difference. Provorov (a lot of orthodox
Christians have no similar issues) lived 7 years in philly. Shaq and his family didn't.

Again if he will dress the sweater - it would be good for organisation in borders of u.s. context, but you should be ready(at least for growing the holy anger emotion) for his potential "rude" action.

 

[tailfins]

You(not only you) clearly don't understand the difference. Provorov (a lot of orthodox
Christians have no similar issues) lived 7 years in philly. Shaq and his family didn't.

Again if he will dress the sweater - it would be good for organisation in borders of u.s. context, but you should be ready(at least for growing the holy anger emotion) for his potential "rude" action.

People seem to be missing the point of pride night. The point isn’t to say “I wish I was gay” or anything like that. It’s also not trying to make a political point.

Pride nights (and other similar) are meant to create an inclusive culture in hockey where people aren’t bullied and shut out just for being who they are. By not wearing the jersey, Provorov is implicitly supporting the bullying, name calling, violence, etc.

You can say that’s not what he’s explicitly doing, but there’s no doubt about what his action means. And that’s why he’s being a bad guy.

 

[Hisch13r]

f*** Provorov and anyone defending him.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Can you imagine what would happen if someone refused to wear the military jersey because they didn’t believe in violence?

That would never be tolerated and it’s a far more legitimate belief.

I can imagine it. Most of the people outraged about the decision to not wear the pride jersey would love it and most people that supported his decision would express their faux outrage for a player not wearing the military jersey.

I think it’s pretty stupid if religion has poisoned your brain to the point that you can’t wear a rainbow jersey, but I also really couldn’t care less about any player’s personal views on just about anything.

 

[Guadana]

People seem to be missing the point of pride night. The point isn’t to say “I wish I was gay” or anything like that. It’s also not trying to make a political point.

Pride nights (and other similar) are meant to create an inclusive culture in hockey where people aren’t bullied and shut out just for being who they are. By not wearing the jersey, Provorov is implicitly supporting the bullying, name calling, violence, etc.

You can say that’s not what he’s explicitly doing, but there’s no doubt about what his action means. And that’s why he’s being a bad guy.

This is reading in words you say by some people. It doesn`t mean it`s reading the same way from the distance or by different people or by different cultures. Literally if we shot the specific words down and look at what you are acually said is reading as "We don`t care about what you are feeling about it and how it effects you, but if you will not join us(join the pride in our case) you should be penalyzed". This is a traditional approach to the process itself, only with the search for more correct formulations for a specific time context, which does not differ in any way from the previous ones.
What I can agree with is that the NHL is a private organization, with its own rules and requirements. And in general - if the organization sees fit, it has every right to ban the Provorov, because a private organization with its own rules. But to justify this by saying that a particular person is an vsshole simply because he does not agree with something for one reason or another is just self-deception.

People, who give me likes, should think twice.

 

[MartyOwns]

 

[Saugus]

Mukh wouldn’t be the first Muslim in the NHL. Kadri is Muslim and I’ve never heard him having a similar issue.

Muslims, like people of every other religion, have a wide range of practices and beliefs. Kadri's family background is Lebanese, and he's Canadian born and raised. Both factors make him more likely to be relaxed as far as religion goes.

Mukhamadullin is from Bashkortostan, and raised in Russia. The Prophet Muhammad's name is literally in his name. I won't speculate, because every person is an individual regardless of background, and I don't know his views. But if I had to bet...

What I'll say about the Provorov thing is: I'm disappointed in Provorov and I'm disappointed in Tortorella, but I think people are overreacting a bit. The world has changed rapidly (for the better) in a short period of time, and some people are uncomfortable with that, often for irrational reasons. Ridicule and shame won't get them there.

 

[None Shall Pass]

Provorov looked over at Gritty and rightfully saw him as a creation meant as an affront to God, and decided then and there that he would do whatever he could to resist the temptations of man's hubris.

 

[glenwo2]

It is his god given right to not put on that sweater, and my god given right to say he’s a motherf***er for not doing it.

It's also my god given right to ask why you haven't responded to my posts?


I kid.

 

[Guttersniped]

There’s not much to even debate. I can’t imagine anyone wants him to be forced to wear the jersey. I don’t just don’t want to hear about it put in terms of his “rights” or “both sides”. Trots comments annoyed me, this annoys me. The worst people on Twitter are all over this, it’s all very Flyers. f*** ‘em.

The nice part of these events are when players voluntarily show enthusiasm above and beyond wearing the jersey at warm-ups. Kurtis Gabriel had been big supporter where ever his career took him and he put the pride-stripped tape from warm-ups on his regular stick.

And he scored a game winner with that stick! His second NHL goal ever! (And I mean ever, he had 2 goals in 51 GP.)

Fun, sweet guy.

And while Jack, Bratt, Nico etc put on quite a show these days don’t sell the majesty of two Connor Carrick primary assists short.

And is that The Beloved 4th Liner’s 1st NHL goal ever? Damn right it is! A sweet deflection.

Congrats from the boys!

Puck for the fam!

And I can’t believe this photographer got a photo of my sign begging Kevin Rooney for a stick! That POS didn’t hand one over, so f*** him, I thought my clever rhyme made it a sure thing too.

 

[Guadana]

There’s not much to even debate. I can’t imagine anyone wants him to be forced to wear the jersey. I don’t just don’t want to hear about it put in terms of his “rights” or “both sides”. Trots comments annoyed me, this annoys me. The worst people on Twitter are all over this, it’s all very Flyers. f*** ‘em.

The nice part of these events are when players voluntarily show enthusiasm above and beyond wearing the jersey at warm-ups. Kurtis Gabriel had been big supporter where ever his career took him and he put the pride-stripped tape from warm-ups on his regular stick.

And he scored a game winner with that stick! His second NHL goal ever! (And I mean ever, he had 2 goals in 51 GP.)

Fun, sweet guy.

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And while Jack, Bratt, Nico etc put on quite a show these days don’t sell the majesty of two Connor Carrick primary assists short.

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And is that The Beloved 4th Liner’s 1st NHL goal ever? Damn right it is! A sweet deflection.
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Congrats from the boys!
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Puck for the fam!
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And I can’t believe this photographer got a photo of my sign begging Kevin Rooney for a stick! That POS didn’t hand one over, so f*** him, I thought my clever rhyme made it a sure thing too.

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again. Pride is a good thing for american culture. It is a right thing. But it`s not a thing in vacuum, especially for different cultures and countries. My gay friends(I have four. works with them, shake hands with them, eating together, walking to the theater and museums) are different for example. Some are stand with the pride and everything that reresenting it, some not. It doesn`t look the same from other angles, because it brings different things. Pride is the thing that bring changes. Changes from what was exist to something that should be in specific culture context. And it effect different people differently. And again, NHl can ban him for his actions if they want it.

 

[glenwo2]

Playing Devils advocate here.... (please don't kill me)

Provorov's only statement (courtesy of nj.com) was :

“I respect everybody’s choices,” the 26-year-old Provorov said after the game, a 5-2 Flyers win. “My choice is to stay true to myself and my religion. That’s all I’m going to say.”

So he doesn't look to be bashing anyone's orientation or what-have-you.

And to be perfectly honest, I think many fans out there believe he cares more about what the fans think than he actually does.

He probably doesn't give a s--t; he made his choice and that's the end of it as far he's concerned.

Will there be fallout? He'll probably get booed by some of the fanbase (I would think) but I believe that if the Flyers continue to win, even that will just be a blip on the radar.

I doubt the booing will affect his play in the slightest.

He still sucks as a Defenseman, though.

So what else is on TV? *click*

 

[Guttersniped]

again. Pride is a good thing for american culture. It is a right thing. But it`s not a thing in vacuum, especially for different cultures and countries. My gay friends(I have four. works with them, shake hands with them, eating together, walking to the theater and museums) are different for example. Some are stand with the pride and everything that reresenting it, some not. It doesn`t look the same from other angles, because it brings different things. Pride is the thing that bring changes. Changes from what was exist to something that should be in specific culture context. And it effect different people differently. And again, NHl can ban him for his actions if they want it.

I very much doubt anything will happen to him, he didn’t wear a warm-up jersey.

 

[glenwo2]

I very much doubt anything will happen to him, he didn’t wear a warm-up jersey.

They could lecture him about it and he'd be like "sure sure" and the NHL will be like "Well...we did our civic duty by acting like we give a s--t so...moving on to the next thing on the agenda...."

 

[JrFischer54]

i don't really care if he wears or not he shouldn't be forced to if he doesn't want to unless there is something in his contract that says he has to. I do think the "religion" excuse is a lame one and that goes for anyone that says that. if you don't want to wear it just man up and say it and say the reasons why but to hide behind religion is lame imo

 

[glenwo2]

i don't really care if he wears or not he shouldn't be forced to if he doesn't want to unless there is something in his contract that says he has to. I do think the "religion" excuse is a lame one and that goes for anyone that says that. if you don't want to wear it just man up and say it and say the reasons why but to hide behind religion is lame imo

Well what "reasons" do you think he should've stated if it wasn't religion-based? I'm very curious.

 

[Blackjack]

Muslims, like people of every other religion, have a wide range of practices and beliefs. Kadri's family background is Lebanese, and he's Canadian born and raised. Both factors make him more likely to be relaxed as far as religion goes.

Mukhamadullin is from Bashkortostan, and raised in Russia. The Prophet Muhammad's name is literally in his name. I won't speculate, because every person is an individual regardless of background, and I don't know his views. But if I had to bet...

The issue is not that Provorov is a conscientious Russian Orthodox Christian. As has been pointed out multiple times, he is living with a woman that is not his wife. So he applies his faith according to his own values, and his values are what he decided to call attention to. To put a finer point on it, there is nothing in Russian Orthodox Christianity that prohibits him from wearing a rainbow jersey for a few minutes.

There are plenty of Muslims and Christians in North American professional sports leagues whose professed beliefs include a lack of tolerance of gay people. To this point Provorov is the only one I am aware of who has cited his faith in refusing to wear pride colors. So he has made this decision himself.

What I'll say about the Provorov thing is: I'm disappointed in Provorov and I'm disappointed in Tortorella, but I think people are overreacting a bit. The world has changed rapidly (for the better) in a short period of time, and some people are uncomfortable with that, often for irrational reasons. Ridicule and shame won't get them there.

Stonewall was 1969. That’s fifty four years. The shift in attitudes is not that much younger than the dismantling of Jim Crow laws. To me, bigotry against gay people is as offensive as racial bigotry.

I’m actually not a fan of a lot of pride stuff because to me it smacks of empty gestures and corporate PR, but that doesn’t change the message it sends when you very visibly decide not to participate.

 

[JrFischer54]

Can you imagine what would happen if someone refused to wear the military jersey because they didn’t believe in violence?

That would never be tolerated and it’s a far more legitimate belief.

thats a good point i'm really surprised that hasn't happened yet. not so much in the nhl but do other sports do military jersey nights?

 

[Darkauron]

Using your religion as an excuse to be prejudice against a certain group of people born a certain way is bull shit no matter what full stop. Doesnt matter where you are from and what excuses you make.