Around the League 2022-23 season thread - part II

[njdevils1982]

no, i wont post haddaway's what is love

just imagine it

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

There is too much hate in the world and certainly on social media. Instead of controlling the narrative and celebrating what the Philadelphia Flyers were doing, we choose to focus on the negative, which has created even more hatred towards one another.

Its quite obvious in the USA but Canada has never been more divided. The left hates the right and the right hates the left. I know it's tiring to me.

 

[Mr Bojanglez]

I don't think there is anything I do as well as McDavid plays hockey. Maybe reheating food in my 2 step microwave/air fryer process.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

There is too much hate in the world and certainly on social media. Instead of controlling the narrative and celebrating what the Philadelphia Flyers were doing, we choose to focus on the negative, which has created even more hatred towards one another.

Its quite obvious in the USA but Canada has never been more divided. The left hates the right and the right hates the left. I know it's tiring to me.

Not to get into the entire debate here, but loving another human shouldn't be left vs right. That's the entire point.

That will be my last (serious) post on the matter.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Not to get into the entire debate here, but loving another human shouldn't be left vs right. That's the entire point.

That will be my last (serious) post on the matter.

Oh I agree, I suppose it was two fragmented thoughts on my behalf. My point was to focus on the positive. Everyone on my Twitter feed is attacking Provorov, attacking Flyers, attacking Torts and attacking religion...like what are we doing?

 

[Blackjack]

I don't think there is anything I do as well as McDavid plays hockey. Maybe reheating food in my 2 step microwave/air fryer process.

Hold your head up high, that sounds like a tremendous technique.

 

[Mr Bojanglez]

Hold your head up high, that sounds like a tremendous technique.

My air fryer is more like a toaster oven. In general you preheat the oven to like.... 400 degrees. You microwave the food anywhere from like a minute to two minutes... and, this is the key, at like 20 to 40%. This wakes up the inside of the food a bit... then you throw it in the air fryer for a quick bit (i do it until i smell the food - like 3 minutes usually).

And you get juicy meat/food that isn't hard or mushy and is mostly back to how you got it.

as for the big news of the evening... i'm just so tired.

 

[My3Sons]

This Provorov moment raised some important issues, but on a less serious note who names their kid “Flyers Spokesperson”?

 

[Darkauron]

whew boy.

Holy shit wow. f*** him.

 

[Tundra]

Why wouldn't he play?

I think he's a horse's ass but forcing people to comply shouldn't be on the table.

Hammering every crooked nail as a society has always worked out wonderfully. This is as ridiculous as the anthem nonsense.

 

[OmNomNom]

per reddit, seems provorov is very russian orthodox christian, so it might line up. it's religion, and that's not a discussion i wanna get into here

 

[Bleedred]

Is Allvin anything more than a figurehead lol. I swear every time people talk about or report on the Canucks it's always Rutherford, Rutherford, Rutherford. Allvin's name is never brought up. I literally forgot Allvin even existed and thought Rutherford was the GM until I just heard him described as President and then I remembered Allvin is the GM

I’ve been saving the same exact thing for like the whole time Allvin has supposedly been the GM. Allvin is basically mute. Well, not only mute but pretty much unseen altogether.

Rutherford is like the dude that was Drago’s manager (and his wife ) and was the only one that wound speak for him.

I can totally see a press conference right now where someone asks Allvin a question and he sits there with a straight face and doesn’t react or even make a sound, and someone makes “The man’s tongue didn’t come through customs” joke before Rutherford answers for him.

 

[Bleedred]

Though to be fair, Torts did change his tune as far as the kneeling goes later on (when he was Jackets coach)...

Blue Jackets coach John Tortorella has changed his tune on anthem protests

"I have learned over the years," he said, "that (people) who choose to kneel during this time mean no disrespect toward the flag."

theathletic.com

Yeah, I was gonna say he did recant on that one several years later.

 

[markog]

whew boy.

Great move!

 

[Guttersniped]

Why wouldn't he play?

I think he's a horse's ass but forcing people to comply shouldn't be on the table.

It’s a f***ing jersey he has to briefly wear at warm ups, he doesn’t have a do anything else. No religion should ask you to hate gay people to the point that you can’t briefly wear a jersey with some rainbow and vague love is love crap on it. Sorry, not buying the religious exemption.

I mean, they can’t force him to wear it but he should be shit on for not doing it.

They’re making their complaints about the jerseys public to rally an ugly segment of the public to their side, they’re the assholes. f*** that guy.

This is why for years Devils never said “Pride Night” and instead said the much vaguer “Hockey is for Everyone” when announcing it at the arena. Don’t want to upset the homophobes… oh, I’m sorry, the devoutly religious.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

It’s a f***ing jersey he has to briefly wear at warm ups, he doesn’t have a do anything else. No religion should ask you to hate gay people to the point that you can’t briefly wear a jersey with some rainbow and vague love is love crap on it. Sorry, not buying the religious exemption.

I mean, they can’t force him to wear it but he should be shit on for not doing it.

They’re making their complaints about the jerseys public to rally an ugly segment of the public to their side, they’re the assholes. f*** that guy.

This is why for years Devils never said “Pride Night” and instead said the much vaguer “Hockey is for Everyone” when announcing it at the arena. Don’t want to upset the homophobes… oh, I’m sorry, the devoutly religious.

I mean yes but no. Does it come off as homophobic? Yes. Is it possibly because of his religion? Very possibly.

But at the same time, nothing he did nor anything he has said suggests he hates gay people as you said. That’s a stupid thing to say. I think there’s genuinely a lot of people out there who don’t hate or even have any issue with gay (or other) people. But at the same time don’t necessarily understand or with that support it or it truly goes against their beliefs.

It may be stupid to most people, a lot of people may not like it and may rip on him and think he’s an idiot but at the end of the day a lot of people are raised in different ways and have different views.

It really isn’t black and white and there really isn’t clear right or wrong when it comes to personal views. The line to me is where you imposing your beliefs on others, basically hating others and/or supporting others that are hurting a group you disagree with. Provorov did none of that. He simply didn’t participate in something that went against his views. He didn’t suggest there was something wrong with those people or say something against them. Just explained that it went against his beliefs.

I’m personally all for pride night and what it represents as a whole but I’m not for acting like someone’s a terrible person or should be cancelled because he didn’t participate in something he doesn’t believe in/understand.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I mean yes but no. Does it come off as homophobic? Yes. Is it possibly because of his religion? Very possibly.

But at the same time, nothing he did nor anything he has said suggests he hates gay people as you said. That’s a stupid thing to say. I think there’s genuinely a lot of people out there who don’t hate or even have any issue with gay (or other) people. But at the same time don’t necessarily understand or with that support it or it truly goes against their beliefs.

It may be stupid to most people, a lot of people may not like it and may rip on him and think he’s an idiot but at the end of the day a lot of people are raised in different ways and have different views.

It really isn’t black and white and there really isn’t clear right or wrong when it comes to personal views. The line to me is where you imposing your beliefs on others, basically hating others and/or supporting others that are hurting a group you disagree with. Provorov did none of that. He simply didn’t participate in something that went against his views. He didn’t suggest there was something wrong with those people or say something against them. Just explained that it went against his beliefs.

I’m personally all for pride night and what it represents as a whole but I’m not for acting like someone’s a terrible person or should be cancelled because he didn’t participate in something he doesn’t believe in/understand.

You literally just destroyed your entire argument in the first sentence, lol. And Provorov can do whatever the hell he wants, just don't be mad when people call him or any athlete on their shit when it pertains to something like this.

It’s a f***ing jersey he has to briefly wear at warm ups, he doesn’t have a do anything else. No religion should ask you to hate gay people to the point that you can’t briefly wear a jersey with some rainbow and vague love is love crap on it. Sorry, not buying the religious exemption.

I mean, they can’t force him to wear it but he should be shit on for not doing it.

They’re making their complaints about the jerseys public to rally an ugly segment of the public to their side, they’re the assholes. f*** that guy.

This is why for years Devils never said “Pride Night” and instead said the much vaguer “Hockey is for Everyone” when announcing it at the arena. Don’t want to upset the homophobes… oh, I’m sorry, the devoutly religious.

Hockey has the worst culture when it comes to this shit, it's sad to see but not surprising at all.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

You literally just destroyed your entire argument in the first sentence, lol. And Provorov can do whatever the hell he wants, just don't be mad when people call him or any athlete on their shit when it pertains to something like this.



Hockey has the worst culture when it comes to this shit, it's sad to see but not surprising at all.

I really don’t see how I did whatsoever. Please elaborate.
And I have no problem with that and people thinkings it’s stupid and shitting on him for it.

What I also think is stupid however is suggesting he hates gay people or acting like he’s a terrible person. I think that’s often not the case. Just because someone who’s been brought up in a different way, has a different understanding of the world and sticks to what they believe. At the end of the day as long as they aren’t imposing that on people it’s stupid IMO to suggest they hate them or are terrible people who deserve to be cancelled or something.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I really don’t see how I did whatsoever. Please elaborate.
And I have no problem with that and people thinkings it’s stupid and shitting on him for it.

What I also think is stupid however is suggesting he hates gay people or acting like he’s a terrible person. I think that’s often not the case. Just someone who’s been brought up in a different way, has a different understanding of the world and sticks to what they believe. At the end of the day as long as they aren’t imposing that on people it’s stupid IMO to suggest they hate them or are terrible people who deserve to be cancelled or something.

He's been playing in one of the most progressive US cities for the first 7 years of his NHL career, please spare me this bullshit, it's not like he's an 18 year old coming from a country over that's less inviting to LGBT views. And he's played in pride night games before so why was tonight any different? What's the difference him wearing a jersey this time when it had stick tape from last year's game? The people defending him are outing themselves worse than he did. That's the last I'm gonna say, not trying to hijack this thread or make it tougher for mods to clean up this site.

 

[Guttersniped]

I mean yes but no. Does it come off as homophobic? Yes. Is it possibly because of his religion? Very possibly.

But at the same time, nothing he did nor anything he has said suggests he hates gay people as you said. That’s a stupid thing to say. I think there’s genuinely a lot of people out there who don’t hate or even have any issue with gay (or other) people. But at the same time don’t necessarily understand or with that support it or it truly goes against their beliefs.

It may be stupid to most people, a lot of people may not like it and may rip on him and think he’s an idiot but at the end of the day a lot of people are raised in different ways and have different views.

It really isn’t black and white and there really isn’t clear right or wrong when it comes to personal views. The line to me is where you imposing your beliefs on others, basically hating others and/or supporting others that are hurting a group you disagree with. Provorov did none of that. He simply didn’t participate in something that went against his views. He didn’t suggest there was something wrong with those people or say something against them. Just explained that it went against his beliefs.

I’m personally all for pride night and what it represents as a whole but I’m not for acting like someone’s a terrible person or should be cancelled because he didn’t participate in something he doesn’t believe in/understand.

Did I say he should be “cancelled”? Do I have magical cancellation powers through the HFDevils board.

I said he should be shit on for being a homophobe, like I’m doing right now. I’m not taking it to the streets here, or writing Comcast, I’m criticizing him on a hockey message board. Just little ol’ me typing some words in a box.

You might be unfamiliar with what the issues are in Russia but it goes beyond personal beliefs and involves a state religion that actively pushes for the violent oppression of a group of people I happen to belong to and it does a lot of terrible harm.

I don’t need a lecture on why he’s the victim because he can probably figure out how his virulently anti-gay church harms people if he cared to try.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

He's been playing in one of the most progressive US cities for the first 7 years of his NHL career, please spare me this bullshit so it's not like he's an 18 year old coming from a country over that's less inviting to LGBT views. And he's played in pride night games before so why was tonight any different? What's the difference him wearing a jersey this time when it had stick tape from last year's game? The people defending him are outing themselves worse than he did. That's the last I'm gonna say, not trying to hijack this thread or make it tougher for mods to clean up this site.

What a dumb argument. Lol what he’s been living in a progressive city for 7 years so his religion and views that he grew up with can’t stick with him. People will dedicate themselves to religions and other things for their entire lives.
And in reality if you really think about it despite the tremendous value in religion for a lot of people around the world, if you really look at it past its value it’s kind of stupid and limiting. People will believe in one religion fully for their whole lives despite many other possibilities in most cases just because their parents tell them to. So yes a guy who was raised a certain way may strongly believe something whether most of the world or the area he’s in agrees with it. As I said religion can be pretty limiting. Doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a shit person or hates those people.

Has nothing to do with what country he’s coming from either.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Did I say he should be “cancelled”? Do I have magical cancellation powers through the HFDevils board.

I said he should be shit on for being a homophobe, like I’m doing right now. I’m not taking it to the streets here, or writing Comcast, I’m criticizing him on a hockey message board. Just little ol’ me typing some words in a box.

You might be unfamiliar with what the issues are in Russia but it goes beyond personal beliefs and involves a state religion that actively pushes for the violent oppression of a group of people I happen to belong to and it does a lot of terrible harm.

I don’t need a lecture on why he’s the victim because he can probably figure out how his virulently anti-gay church harms people if he cared to try.

Who ever said he’s the victim? What does what goes on in Russia have to do with that either? His country doesn’t speak for him. What I disagreed with was your suggestion that he hates gay people. Nothing he has done said that.

As I said, a lot of people blindly follow religions for their whole lives. Hence why I said religion can be limiting above. Doesn’t automatically make them shitty people. Rip on him all you want. It is stupid (to clarify I’m saying what Provorov is doing is stupid). But that should come with the realization that he might just be a misguided person who doesn’t understand (misguided by family, culture, religion)

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

What a dumb argument. Lol what he’s been living in a progressive city for 7 years so his religion and views that he grew up with can’t stick with him. People will dedicate themselves to religions and other things for their entire lives.
And in reality if you really think about it despite the tremendous value in religion for a lot of people around the world, if you really look at it past its value it’s kind of stupid and limiting. People will believe in one religion fully for their whole lives despite many other possibilities in most cases just because their parents tell them to. So yes a guy who was raised a certain way may strongly believe something whether most of the world or the area he’s in agrees with it. As I said religion can be pretty limiting. Doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a shit person or hates those people.

Has nothing to do with what country he’s coming from either.

Because the argument, once again, would make a lot more sense if the guy himself didn't play in pride nights games for the Flyers before this year. If it was a religious thing, he would've had an issue with it from the get go as soon as he came to North America not into his 7 year NHL career having to wear a pride jersey. And yes, people can be changed from their surroundings like the cities they live, the people they interact with it on a daily basis, shocking to know. If you need an outline how to treat people that comes from 100% religion in this day and age then yikes. Like I said before, he can do whatever the hell he wants and people can say whatever they want, he doesn't deserve the "benefit of the doubt" in something like this.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Because the argument, once again, would make a lot more sense if the guy himself didn't play in pride nights games for the Flyers before this year. If it was a religious thing, he would've had an issue with it from the get go as soon as he came to North America not into his 7 year NHL career having to wear a pride jersey. And yes, people can be changed from their surroundings like the cities they live, the people they interact with it on a daily basis, shocking to know. If you need an outline how to treat people that comes from 100% religion in this day and age then yikes.

Has he worn the jersey before tonight? Because if he has that would be a fair point.

And no shit people can be changed by their surroundings. Who the hell suggested they couldn’t? I’d actually love to know.
That doesn’t mean they will and most certainly doesn’t mean their religious beliefs necessarily change. (Shocking to know?)

And I agree about the last part but unfortunately I think there’s a lot of people that rely on and devote far too much on religion. But then again with that. There’s nothing he’s said or done to suggest he hasn’t or wouldn’t treat any gay person just as well as anyone else. Just because you don’t agree with how someone lives doesn’t mean you necessarily hate them or don’t treat them well.

Am curious about whether he’s actually worn a pride jersey before because that would be a really bad look and not make much sense.

 

[MasterofGrond]

It is his god given right to not put on that sweater, and my god given right to say he’s a motherf***er for not doing it.