Around the League 2022-23 season thread - part II

[Hisch13r]

How in god's name are the Rangers going to afford Meier? Unless it's strictly as a rental? in which case, lmao have at it, hope they trade all their picks for him.

Yeah I don't know how they do it. 16 mil in projected space. Miller and Chytil probably a combined minimum 6 mil. Could definitely be more like 7+. I wonder if Laf would be going the other way. Meier at 8. Gives them 2 mil to fill a couple forwards, couple D, and a backup

 

[Saugus]

Yeah I don't know how they do it. 16 mil in projected space. Miller and Chytil probably a combined minimum 6 mil. Could definitely be more like 7+. I wonder if Laf would be going the other way. Meier at 8. Gives them 2 mil to fill a couple forwards, couple D, and a backup

They'll do it the way the Rangers always do it. Dump their problem contracts on Arizona and sign the next big name UFA to a ridiculous, market-distorting deal.

I'm being a bit facetious here. Realistically, they probably can't fit Meier, because nobody is taking Trouba's contract, not even Arizona.

 

[Hisch13r]

They'll do it the way the Rangers always do it. Dump their problem contracts on Arizona and sign the next big name UFA to a ridiculous, market-distorting deal.

I'm being a bit facetious here. Realistically, they probably can't fit Meier, because nobody is taking Trouba's contract, not even Arizona.

Trouba has a full no move. Couldn't even do it if someone would take him. Then the only other guy you'd think would be dumped would be Goodrow. He has a 15 team no trade. Only other guys signed for next year are like the core guys or scrubs making under a mil.

 

[Tundra]

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Yeah I don't know how they do it. 16 mil in projected space. Miller and Chytil probably a combined minimum 6 mil. Could definitely be more like 7+. I wonder if Laf would be going the other way. Meier at 8. Gives them 2 mil to fill a couple forwards, couple D, and a backup

Why would Meier sign for less than his 10M QO especially in a city with insane taxes? He's gonna be taking home like 6.5-7M, him and his agents would be morons.

 

[My3Sons]

Why would Meier sign for less than his 10M QO especially in a city with insane taxes? He's gonna be taking home like 6.5-7M, him and his agents would be morons.

I'm not sure if the reporting on state taxes is that clear. For every tweet giving an estimate, there was an interview with a prominent NBA agent who that with good accounting tax differences are relatively minimized. I doubt it's as much as a 10% difference, that sounds like a lot. It's also variable based on whether you buy a mansion or rent a nice condo and how much you pay in local sales taxes. It's more complicated than a tweet I'm guessing.

 

[JrFischer54]

Man what a terrible idea

 

[Hisch13r]

Why would Meier sign for less than his 10M QO especially in a city with insane taxes? He's gonna be taking home like 6.5-7M, him and his agents would be morons.

He’s not getting 10 long term. Sure if he wants he can take the 10 and go to UFA. I think he could probably get like a 8.5x8 on his next deal if just signs and extension. An equivalent to that taking the QO and going to UFA would be ~8.3x7. I think he’ll sign somewhere

 

[MasterofGrond]

The reason he’ll take less than 10 is because 68M is a lot more money than 10. It’s really true generational wealth. Baseball guys sign away huge chunks of their careers for 50M when they could go to arb and maybe get twice that or more for the same years.

You never know when your career is gonna end and insuring against it is expensive.

Obviously some guys make the bet, but there’s a reason dudes sign before UFA all the time.

 

[Billdo]

Man what a terrible idea

I'm not sure what they mean with respect to a "soft cap" but I do think you should be able to do certain things to retain players you drafted that perhaps go over the "cap". A team that drafts that well that they need to sign stars shouldn't essentially be forced to deal those drafted home grown guys bc they're up against the cap.

 

[Patrik26]

Man what a terrible idea

Yeah, right Walsh. Soft cap would put the PLAYERS in a better place, not the league. Look at the disparity with MLB and the NBA vs the NHL and NFL. Stick the soft cap up your chute.

 

[Brodeur]

I'm not sure what they mean with respect to a "soft cap" but I do think you should be able to do certain things to retain players you drafted that perhaps go over the "cap". A team that drafts that well that they need to sign stars shouldn't essentially be forced to deal those drafted home grown guys bc they're up against the cap.

I think they just meant that teams could over the cap and get taxed (and perhaps that money would get distributed to the clubs as revenue sharing). So instead of the Larry Bird exception where you could go over the cap for your own drafted/developed guy, teams could still go buck wild like several MLB teams over free agents.

Naturally Walsh isn't exactly an unbiased party. He doesn't really care about the health of the bottom ten teams of the league if it prevents him from getting top dollar for his clients. He's also bitter about the ELC caps put in place; In the previous CBA a guy like Mike Comrie could command a three million dollar signing bonus.

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Also amused by the game of purple monkey dishwasher by the Habs fans on the main board. Pierre LeBrun had a column yesterday hypothesizing what players could fit where. He mentioned that Sean Monahan might be a fit for Colorado since they don't have the assets to chase a bigger fish, so Monahan would be a budget option.

Habs fans turned that into "Pierre LeBrun is reporting that Colorado is after Sean Monahan. I think Montreal can get a first rounder for him!"

I like to picture a rational Montreal fan facepalming at home reading things like that.

 

[JrFischer54]

I'm not sure what they mean with respect to a "soft cap" but I do think you should be able to do certain things to retain players you drafted that perhaps go over the "cap". A team that drafts that well that they need to sign stars shouldn't essentially be forced to deal those drafted home grown guys bc they're up against the cap.

Eh they just have to stop signing every guy under the sun for the max years. Sign guys to 3 4 5 year deals

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

The reason he’ll take less than 10 is because 68M is a lot more money than 10. It’s really true generational wealth. Baseball guys sign away huge chunks of their careers for 50M when they could go to arb and maybe get twice that or more for the same years.

You never know when your career is gonna end and insuring against it is expensive.

Obviously some guys make the bet, but there’s a reason dudes sign before UFA all the time.

It depends how Meier feels, there's guys who are willing to bet on themselves and win in sports like an Aaron Judge or you have like Jack Hughes/Alex Barkov/Leon Draisailt who take what they got at the time and it's going to absolute steal for their franchises.

He’s not getting 10 long term. Sure if he wants he can take the 10 and go to UFA. I think he could probably get like a 8.5x8 on his next deal if just signs and extension. An equivalent to that taking the QO and going to UFA would be ~8.3x7. I think he’ll sign somewhere

And they're going to be primed for a Miller offersheet with the way he's trending.

 

[Hisch13r]

Yeah, right Walsh. Soft cap would put the PLAYERS in a better place, not the league. Look at the disparity with MLB and the NBA vs the NHL and NFL. Stick the soft cap up your chute.

Going back to 2009 the NHL has had Pens 3x, Hawks 3x, Kings 2x, Tampa 2x (3 finals), Boston (3 finals), Blues, Caps, Avs. NBA has Warriors 4x (5 finals), Lakers 3x, Heat 2x (5 finals), Raptors, Bucks, Mavs, Spurs (2 finals), Cavs (4 finals). 8 unique winners for each.

So the NHL has had slightly more parity than the league with a sport that by nature has less parity AND has a soft cap. I don’t have an issue with the hard cap but it’s not like it’s created tons of parity.

In the 17 years under the cap there’s been 11 unique winners. In the 17 years prior to the cap there were 10 unique winner

 

[Hisch13r]

It depends how Meier feels, there's guys who are willing to bet on themselves and win in sports like an Aaron Judge or you have like Jack Hughes/Alex Barkov/Leon Draisailt who take what they got at the time and it's going to absolute steal for their franchises.



And they're going to be primed for a Miller offersheet with the way he's trending.

Thing is even Meier betting on himself isn’t going to yield much more money. What do we think he’s getting at most as a UFA? Like 9x7? That’d be 73 mil total over 8 years. I imagine he can get like an 8.5x8 deal. Betting on himself yields 5 mil over 8 years. It’s not a smart play.

lol Come on. We all know the odds of an offersheet are slim to none.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

holy SHIT!!

 

[Hisch13r]

holy SHIT!!

If you miss on Meier then bring this beautiful motherf***er back home

 

[JrFischer54]

Going back to 2009 the NHL has had Pens 3x, Hawks 3x, Kings 2x, Tampa 2x (3 finals), Boston (3 finals), Blues, Caps, Avs. NBA has Warriors 4x (5 finals), Lakers 3x, Heat 2x (5 finals), Raptors, Bucks, Mavs, Spurs (2 finals), Cavs (4 finals). 8 unique winners for each.

So the NHL has had slightly more parity than the league with a sport that by nature has less parity AND has a soft cap. I don’t have an issue with the hard cap but it’s not like it’s created tons of parity.

In the 17 years under the cap there’s been 11 unique winners. In the 17 years prior to the cap there were 10 unique winner

I think the parity is in the regular season. The playoffs being super long the cream usually rises to the top with the better players.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

If you miss on Meier then bring this beautiful motherf***er back home

Give him and JVR or Duclair if Rangers somehow land Meier like I said in the other thread

Thing is even Meier betting on himself isn’t going to yield much more money. What do we think he’s getting at most as a UFA? Like 9x7? That’d be 73 mil total over 8 years. I imagine he can get like an 8.5x8 deal. Betting on himself yields 5 mil over 8 years. It’s not a smart play.

lol Come on. We all know the odds of an offersheet are slim to none.

Meier would take half their cap space with Chytil Laf Miller still to sign + needing a backup goalie.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

What would a Henrique trade even look like??

 

[Forge]

holy SHIT!!

 

[Hisch13r]

Give him and JVR or Duclair if Rangers somehow land Meier like I said in the other thread



Meier would take half their cap space with Chytil Laf Miller still to sign + needing a backup goalie.

We don't need 2 forwards. One is enough. I'm also not adding a guy who moves like a snail. He wouldn't keep up with how we play. Duclair hasn't played all year so I'd steer clear of that one too.

 

[Xirik]

I don't understand Pigmentation and camera's. In most of the pictures of him he has a darker skin tone but in that picture I was confused as to why they were mentioning evander kane. looked like some scrawny white guy. Specifically the left picture.

 

[Hisch13r]

Is Allvin anything more than a figurehead lol. I swear every time people talk about or report on the Canucks it's always Rutherford, Rutherford, Rutherford. Allvin's name is never brought up. I literally forgot Allvin even existed and thought Rutherford was the GM until I just heard him described as President and then I remembered Allvin is the GM