Around the League 2022-23 season thread - part II

[Darkauron]

The rights of HUMAN beings prejudiced against for being born a certain way is not political at ALL. Anything to the contrary to that has no place in society.

 

[JrFischer54]

Which is unfortunate because such concerns should be secondary and tertiary at best. All these leagues have become far too political, which is an outgrowth of the corporate-government complex. Do people really enjoy military night? I find it over-the-top and counterproductive.

i always find it funny with military stuff. like this guy/gal went to fight for our freedoms and lifestyle to choose this and that. now you MUST stand and not have a choice to support them

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

It’s a testament to how far we’ve come that a guy not wearing the rainbow jersey gets the reaction that slinging the f slur used to get.

 

[MadDevil]

@Zajacs Bowl Cut Wouldn't his consequences happen in Free Agency?

I don't think any team would want him.

It may make some teams think twice but I doubt nobody would want him. Professional sports teams overlook character issues for talent all the time. Hell, his own teammate TAD is on what his third chance now?

 

[Darkauron]

i always find it funny with military stuff. like this guy/gal went to fight for our freedoms and lifestyle to choose this and that. now you MUST stand and not have a choice to support them

Yeah one is a career choice and one is a human rights issue. They are totally not comparable

 

[HBK27]

It may make some teams think twice but I doubt nobody would want him. Professional sports teams overlook character issues for talent all the time. Hell, his own teammate TAD is on what his third chance now?

DeAngelo is still in the league, but he's lost millions and millions of dollars that he would've otherwise earned had he not had his issues.

 

[glenwo2]

It may make some teams think twice but I doubt nobody would want him. Professional sports teams overlook character issues for talent all the time. Hell, his own teammate TAD is on what his third chance now?

Damn.

You're right.

But remember though....

Not all teams are The Flyers.

 

[JrFischer54]

Who's dodging?

I was stating fact.

sorry but your opinion isn't a fact.

 

[Better Call Sal]

hes definitely not the only one that feels this way so someone has to be the first there definitely will be others now.

Most players probably choose to go with the flow and avoid making political statements regardless of their personal beliefs, knowing that creating a spectacle could distract the team. That's my guess anyway.

But you're right, you would think it would come up before now, given how many NHL players have been outspoken about their faith.

For the record, by the way, I was referring to Provorov and not with the NHL players in general. It was poorly worded on my part.

I'm of the mind that it's incredibly tone deaf of him to think this would not be an issue or distraction to his team. And I'm curious why it would be a thing to him now when these nights have been taking place for years, presumably meaning he's worn the warmup jersey in the past.

The league does this to create awareness and raise money towards organizations to promote inclusion. I'm not saying anyone has to agree with everything because that isn't how it tends to go in society, but to take this type of stance just screams incapability of reading the room. Especially with teammates in Laughton and JVR who are more involved with supporting this cause.

 

[NJDevs26]

Talk about Provorov and the issue at hand but we are NOT having a holy war debating religion here

 

[Tundra]

Talk about Provorov but we are NOT having a holy war debating religion here

I find the New Religion vs Old Religion debates to be fascinating. I'm not a fan of either,

 

[JrFischer54]

Talk about Provorov and the issue at hand but we are NOT having a holy war debating religion here

i think if people stay civil its a good discussion to have.

 

[HBK27]

For the record, by the way, I was referring to Provorov and not with the NHL players in general. It was poorly worded on my part.

I'm of the mind that it's incredibly tone deaf of him to think this would not be an issue or distraction to his team. And I'm curious why it would be a thing to him now when these nights have been taking place for years, presumably meaning he's worn the warmup jersey in the past.

The league does this to create awareness and raise money towards organizations to promote inclusion. I'm not saying anyone has to agree with everything because that isn't how it tends to go in society, but to take this type of stance just screams incapability of reading the room. Especially with teammates in Laughton and JVR who are more involved with supporting this cause.

From what I saw on the Flyers board, they have not worn pride jerseys in the past - last year they had a pride night, but that just included rainbow colored stick tape for warmups, which Provorov declined to participate in.

 

[JrFischer54]

I find the New Religion vs Old Religion debates to be fascinating. I'm not a fan of either,

people should just let other people do their thing and if there are consequences for that from a god or an after life then thats on them. never understood whats so hard for people to realize about it.

 

[Better Call Sal]

From what I saw on the Flyers board, they have not worn pride jerseys in the past - last year they had a pride night, but that just included rainbow colored stick tape for warmups, which Provorov declined to participate in.

Thanks for clarifying, maybe I didn't realize it but I thought the Devils had at least had the warmup jerseys for a few years now for pride night. I know they've done it for many other theme nights as well.

 

[None Shall Pass]

Politics in every aspect in our lives is not healthy for our society as a whole. People need escapes from reality and sports is not reality, it's entertainment.

Professional sports are political, though. They always have been. There's just now more overt forms of politics occurring, though, and they're almost all social politics, which is the most polarizing direction for politics to take place.

Team owners taking local subsidies that they don't need to build billion dollar stadiums while second graders in the same town can't afford school lunch and have history textbooks from the early 90s is political, but it doesn't happen on the ice.

The league choosing where to advertise and where not to advertise based on what kind of people inhabit which space is political, but no one is going to ask Jack Hughes about it.

Players choosing where to play based on tax rates, etc., is political.

Hell, asking fans to stand and take off their hats for a national anthem is the definition of a political act.

It's just now that players are kneeling during anthems, wearing camo jerseys and using rainbow tape that the most visible frame of reference, the social-political is on display to your average viewer.

And as someone who studied political science, I like that. It forces people to confront the reality and the apparatus of the world that they live in, which means there are more and more people like me who are cursed to overanalyze and worry about the decisions that made the decisions that made the decisions. Misery needs company, don't take that away from me.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

He didn’t wear a piece of flair at work. That’s basically what happened.

 

[NJDevs26]

I'm really curious how this has only come up now when the NHL has been doing this night with every team in the league for how many years now?

I’m not sure how long they’ve been doing the specialized jerseys for it, that seems to be a recent phenomenon. But to me this is even sillier than it is offensive, first of all who even sees you in the warmup jersey other than a handful of fans in attendance? Second of all it’s a frigging jersey that you’ll wear for fifteen minutes then never again. And quite honestly he gets nothing out of his little protest other than cheap attention (which might be what he’s going for) and headaches. Teams aren’t going to cease doing Pride Night because one clown won’t wear a shirt for fifteen minutes.

 

[Better Call Sal]

I’m not sure how long they’ve been doing the specialized jerseys for it, that seems to be a recent phenomenon. But to me this is even sillier than it is offensive, first of all who even sees you in the warmup jersey other than a handful of fans in attendance? Second of all it’s a frigging jersey that you’ll wear for fifteen minutes then never again. And quite honestly he gets nothing out of his little protest other than cheap attention (which might be what he’s going for) and headaches. Teams aren’t going to cease doing Pride Night because one clown won’t wear a shirt for fifteen minutes.

Fully agree with you.

 

[NJDevs26]

i think if people stay civil its a good discussion to have.

That horse was already out of the barn from minute one of the tangent, which doesn’t surprise me. More wars have been started about religion than anything else but it’s just a lame excuse here for this protest.

 

[Tundra]

people should just let other people do their thing and if there are consequences for that from a god or an after life then thats on them. never understood whats so hard for people to realize about it.

Golden Rule. Non-aggression principle. Simple stuff. However, it get's really dicey when you have megachurches or large corporate conglomerates pushing social engineering in either direction. Does the general population really need a night to recognize that bullying in all spectrums is wrong? Because that's an irredeemable population if you ask me.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

its a funny meme tweet, but this is the biggest thing for me. Consistency. You can't claim religion and then pick and choose what you want because it fits you best.

 

[NJDevs26]

I still have yet to see anyone adequately articulate what exactly is the just cause Provorov ‘believes’ in that isn’t something negative when you protest a hockey for all night.

And the fact LGBT rights are viewed as ‘political’ is everything that’s wrong with society now.

 

[Tundra]

I still have yet to see anyone adequately articulate what exactly is the just cause Provorov ‘believes’ in that isn’t something negative when you protest a hockey for all night.

And the fact LGBT rights are viewed as ‘political’ is everything that’s wrong with society now.

What LGBT rights were actually violated, when he decided not to don the themed jersey? I think we tend to get sucked into this over-socialization feedback model and conflate feelings with right violations.

 

[Bleedred]

One of the posts on the first page of the mainboard thread was something like

He has the freedom to wear or not wear what he wants and everyone else has the freedom to point out his bigotry.

I can't I disagree with that. I absolutely don't think he should be forced to wear it. But that doesn't mean that I don't have a bad taste in my mouth because of it.