Red Sox/MLB 2024 Playoffs: Dodgers win the World Series

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McGarnagle

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Tiant will be considered by the Vets Committee.
This is the only ballot Steve Garvey has a chance on this fall.

Tiant is a HOFer for sure

Tommy John is a tough one where he had a very long and very good career, but no hardware and was only top-five in Cy Young voting twice. But he was well-above average until the age of 40 and was average or better until the age of 46. I think being the namesake of the surgery and being the first guy to do it and come back gives enough notoriety that he should probably be in, but its a tough call.

Garvey had an MVP, was runner up another year, finished 6th three other times. Four time gold Glover and the best defensive 1B of his generation. He's kind of a Schilling attitude but I would give him an HOF nod.

Parker would probably be in if he didn't have the drug scandal hanging over him.

Dick Allen's raw numbers are tremendous but comparatively less on the award voting side, plus not having the defensive prowess that Garvey and Parker had. But part of it is just that he was on a lot of shitty Phillies and White Sox teams, and if he had Stargell or Reggie Smith batting behind him or got showcased in October ever he'd probably have gotten a lot more votes.
 

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Nice! Were you on Landsdowne during the home run derby?
No, unfortunately! I wish though. I was only 9 years old. My dad thought it would be too crazy for me and my brother (he was 12).

But I was very happy and fortunate to go to fan fest. I got to be a fake broadcaster. I think I still have the video of it somewhere haha
 
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Interesting. If he accepts the QO which I doubt he wouldn't then who is on the move? I know they're cheap but no way are they dumb enough to go through with the same exact rotation as last season just + Giolito .

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Either one is moving to the pen or getting dealt. They need another top of the rotation arm. Not 3-5 level starters
 

FRyan4426

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So much for signing another starter. Sox are doing this because he’s on a 1 year deal allowing “flexibility”. Same crap as last year. It’s going to be another offseason of nothing.
 
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McGarnagle

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Interesting. If he accepts the QO which I doubt he wouldn't then who is on the move? I know they're cheap but no way are they dumb enough to go through with the same exact rotation as last season just + Giolito .

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Pivetta
Bello
Gio
Crawford

Either one is moving to the pen or getting dealt. They need another top of the rotation arm. Not 3-5 level starters
Kutter to the bullpen probably. Though let's be honest, at least three of those guys will have extended IL stints so he'll be back in the rotation

I'm surprised about O'Neill
Yeah, it means one of three things: 1. They're thinking bigger when it comes to the OF (Soto), 2. They're targeting Bregman which would push Devers to DH and put Masa back in the outfield, 3. Some nerd in the front office has invented an algorithm that convinced themselves that a rotation of Romy Gonzalez, Rob Refsnyder, and Wilyer Abreu will provide similar production for less money.

I think we know which one it is.
 

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Kutter to the bullpen probably. Though let's be honest, at least three of those guys will have extended IL stints so he'll be back in the rotation


Yeah, it means one of three things: 1. They're thinking bigger when it comes to the OF (Soto), 2. They're targeting Bregman which would push Devers to DH and put Masa back in the outfield, 3. Some nerd in the front office has invented an algorithm that convinced themselves that a rotation of Romy Gonzalez, Rob Refsnyder, and Wilyer Abreu will provide similar production for less money.

I think we know which one it is.

I might be a sucker but with all the negative fallout over the last off season, I can’t see them not making some big moves.

Maybe not Soto level, but something significant.
 

GatorMike

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So much for signing another starter. Sox are doing this because he’s on a 1 year deal allowing “flexibility”. Same crap as last year. It’s going to be another offseason of nothing.
This seems like a bit of an overreaction. Qualifying Pivetta could mean a number of things. Of the top of my head, there are two fairly plausible scenarios:

1. They know Pivetta will reject the offer, and they're trying to get a draft pick out of it.
2. They're getting pretty significant trade interest in another one of their starters.
 

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Why? THey have a crowded outfield, and paying a guy like him never made sense.

He had the 2nd lowest RBI to HR ratio EVER for someone who hit 30+ HR at 1.97

Congrats you hit a bunch of solo shots.

Just not a guy to commit long term to.

I get not signing him, but I think it’s hard to blame him for other people not getting on base in front of him.
 

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Why? THey have a crowded outfield, and paying a guy like him never made sense.

He had the 2nd lowest RBI to HR ratio EVER for someone who hit 30+ HR at 1.97

Congrats you hit a bunch of solo shots.

Just not a guy to commit long term to.
He had a comeback season with us.
 

EverettMike

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I believe Breslow is going to f*** this entire thing up. I don't understand anything he has said this off-season. I also don't understand why you'd make the fanbase wait years for the "kids" and the moment they're ready to contribute you trade them away.

Before anyone says, "But what if they trade them for established stars?" My fear is Breslow is gonna overpay with prospects for pitching rather than just sign FAs, and the team ultimately won't pay any star they do trade for. They'll let them walk in a year or two and then restart the whole process of "waiting for the new kids."

I have no confidence in Breslow and disdain for ownership.
 

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Always tough to be the guy who has to make the final decision on the construction of the team.

While, as he said, it's tough to decide to move young talent for current MLB'ers, it's also got to be tough to decide to be patient with them, especially in a big market.

I mean just look at the 4 he mentioned -- Anthony, Teel, Campbell, Mayer-- I won't pretend to be able to project what they will be 5 years down the road.... but just looking at things based on likely position:

Anthony is an OF, Mayer a SS.

Two years from now, who are the 3 starting OF?

Duran, Abreu, Anthony? --- what about Rafaella if Mayer is here at SS?

Do you trade one or two of them this off season in a package for pitching?

Will Rafaella learn not to chase sliders away and not strike out in over 27% of plate appearances? Do they move him, or keep him because of his versatility?

What of Campbell? I read some reports saying OF is his best position and some saying 2B. Does he push for a spot in 2026?

Teel is a bit easier, as he can back up Wong for a year or two before hopefully taking over in 27 or 28.

Good problems to have, but regardless of what he does, a huge % of people will not like it initially, and nobody will know if they were the right moves for a couple of years at least.
 
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