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Around the League 2018-2019 Part 2- Everyone is having fun except us

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avsfan09 said:
Pop over anytime:) Always good to hear different perspectives!
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It would make things a bit easier on Thursday if Buffalo could find some way to beat Ottawa(that sounds so ridiculous when looking at the two teams) and NJ could play a role in making Carolina's night miserable.
 
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Got to love when Burke goes on a rant on the radio. Today it was about the draft lottery and how mess up it is, pointing out that the 17th place team [he used Arizona as an example] can miss by 1 point, and still win the number one pick and the last pace team can get 4th overall. He used Carolina and then Philly as examples of moving up 11 spots to get the really high picks.

His suggestion, which I agree on, was to only have the bottom 5 teams in the lotto , the rest are in order of finish. Then if you win the number one pick, you can't get it for 3 years and can pick no higher than 4th to spread out the talent.

Thoughts?
 
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kingsfan28 said:
Got to love when Burke goes on a rant on the radio. Today it was about the draft lottery and how mess up it is, pointing out that the 17th place team [he used Arizona as an example] can miss by 1 point, and still win the number one pick and the last pace team can get 4th overall. He used Carolina and then Philly as examples of moving up 11 spots to get the really high picks.

His suggestion, which I agree on, was to only have the bottom 5 teams in the lotto , the rest are in order of finish. Then if you win the number one pick, you can't get it for 3 years and can pick no higher than 4th to spread out the talent.

Thoughts?
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There's no good solution. Ok, don't penalize a bad team by handing the top pick to the 17th place team. However, at the same time, penalize a bad team for 3 guaranteed years for getting the top pick once?

Either get rid of the draft and let players go where they wish, for whatever reason they have, or go with a league wide lottery where every team has an equal shot at every pick. Both of those have downsides as well.

If the draft was an exact science, then maybe. However, the best player in a draft might ultimately be the 38th pick. Nobody gets concerned about who gets the 38th pick though. One idea is as good as the next, so I guess why not try Burke's plan for a few years, and see what happens.
 
Burke is overreacting to a scenario that has a 1.5% chance of happening. Philadelphia jumped up a ton for Nolan Patrick and it hasn't turned them into a powerhouse. Meanwhile the worst teams that got pushed down still got great prospects in Cale Makar, Elias Pettersson, and Cody Glass.

I get the thought of locking a team out of the top 3, but I think there's the faulty premise that there's a franchise changing #1 overall pick every year. Some years don't have that guy and you get Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Nico Hischier, and Nail Yakupov as the top picks. It would have seemed slightly unfair that the Burke rule would have automatically locked the Devils out of the top 3 this year because we won the 2017 lottery.

If I recall correctly, Burke was a VP for the NHL back when the original 1995 lottery rules were put in place. I've told this story before, but I still find it amusing: Simultaneously in 1995, the Orlando Magic were on their way to an NBA Finals appearance and looked primed to be a contender for years. They had won the 1993 Draft Lottery despite only having a 1 in 66 chance. So despite being the best non-playoff team that season, Orlando landed the top pick. The NHL didn't want that scenario, so that's why they put in the rule where a team winning the lottery could only move up 4 spots (and thus only the bottom five teams had a shot at #1).

The whole point of the lottery was to disincentivize being the worst team. I could see it being a bigger deal in the NBA where one player can alter a franchise, but it's just a different dynamic for hockey.
 
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kingsfan28 said:
Got to love when Burke goes on a rant on the radio. Today it was about the draft lottery and how mess up it is, pointing out that the 17th place team [he used Arizona as an example] can miss by 1 point, and still win the number one pick and the last pace team can get 4th overall. He used Carolina and then Philly as examples of moving up 11 spots to get the really high picks.

His suggestion, which I agree on, was to only have the bottom 5 teams in the lotto , the rest are in order of finish. Then if you win the number one pick, you can't get it for 3 years and can pick no higher than 4th to spread out the talent.

Thoughts?
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I like the current lotto format. I could get behind if you pick #1 you cannot for 3 years, however not all draft years are the same. Drafting Nico Hischier #1 is very different than McDavid.

Arizona deserves a ball in the lottery. They did not tank, they played their asses off despite injury, and they may get nothing to show for it. If you don't give teams that just miss out on the playoffs year after year a shot at #1 they will forever be stuck as bubble teams too.

So no I don't agree even though I could understand where Burke is coming from. Maybe the balls just need to be re-weighted once Seattle enters the mix.
 
kingsfan28 said:
Got to love when Burke goes on a rant on the radio. Today it was about the draft lottery and how mess up it is, pointing out that the 17th place team [he used Arizona as an example] can miss by 1 point, and still win the number one pick and the last pace team can get 4th overall. He used Carolina and then Philly as examples of moving up 11 spots to get the really high picks.

His suggestion, which I agree on, was to only have the bottom 5 teams in the lotto , the rest are in order of finish. Then if you win the number one pick, you can't get it for 3 years and can pick no higher than 4th to spread out the talent.

Thoughts?
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We should focus more on rewarding well-managed teams than worrying about punishing a team that is either poorly run or had a bad year.

The current system gives a slim chance of black hole teams to move up. It already de-incentivizes teams from tanking since they can fall four spots.

Seriously, this inception of the lottery has been this way since 2016. The previous system of one winner moving up four spots was back in 1993(?).

This system needs more time before overhauling it again.
 
with 32 teams, let's have the top 16 teams compete for the stanley cup and the bottom 16 teams compete for draft order. winner of the consolation bracket gets the first overall pick
 
kilowatt said:
with 32 teams, let's have the top 16 teams compete for the stanley cup and the bottom 16 teams compete for draft order. winner of the consolation bracket gets the first overall pick
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Main problem with that would be the motivation of the consolation teams. Would those teams trade away their impending UFAs at the deadline or keep them around to be more competitive for the top pick. Would certain players who aren't signed long term really care about playing hard to draft a guy who might not crack the team when they're still around? Would certain players who would play hurt if it meant playing for a Cup do the same if it's for a draft pick?
 
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Main problem with that would be the motivation of the consolation teams. Would those teams trade away their impending UFAs at the deadline or keep them around to be more competitive for the top pick. Would certain players who aren't signed long term really care about playing hard to draft a guy who might not crack the team when they're still around? Would certain players who would play hurt if it meant playing for a Cup do the same if it's for a draft pick?
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i mean there are lots of problems with it, like it’ll never work nor will it ever be adopted
 
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It's pretty cool to see ASU starting to produce guys. I caught a game there in 2016 because I wanted to check out the USNTDP play against them. Hopefully some of the other Pac-12 schools try to field programs down the road.
 
not that it really matters, but chicago and anaheim both won today. chicago can't finish worse than 23rd, anaheim can't finish worse than 27th. if buffalo beats ottawa tomorrow, the kings are guaranteed to finish 29th or 30th. ottawa already clinched last place. damn you colorado for having their pick. what a nightmare for ottawa fans.
 
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kilowatt said:
not that it really matters, but chicago and anaheim both won today. chicago can't finish worse than 23rd, anaheim can't finish worse than 27th. if buffalo beats ottawa tomorrow, the kings are guaranteed to finish 29th or 30th. ottawa already clinched last place. damn you colorado for having their pick. what a nightmare for ottawa fans.
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Ottawa is still playing hard but I am hoping that Buffalo can get it together for one game at home against a goalie who will be in his first NHL game and has literally zero experience outside of college. If they can't win this game then they might as well just deconstruct the Sabres and sell the parts off because that franchise will never get over the hump apparently.
 
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kilowatt said:
with 32 teams, let's have the top 16 teams compete for the stanley cup and the bottom 16 teams compete for draft order. winner of the consolation bracket gets the first overall pick
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Not a single player on the Kings roster cares if they pick first or last in the 1st round of the draft.
 
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