kingsfan28
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Hmmm, Karlsson had a career year and played like nobody had ever seen him play before ...
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Hmmm, Karlsson had a career year and played like nobody had ever seen him play before ...
johnjm22
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Or that could just mean he didn't expect to test dirty because he didn't think he was taking anything.
I'm not saying he's innocent here because I don't know. I'm just saying an extremely small trace amount can be explained by other things. A lot of supplements, especially from China, have illegal and prescription drugs in small amounts in them but don't list them as ingredients on the packaging. There's other possibilities as well.
Raccoon Jesus
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There are a lot of possible explanations, I agree with you, but I think while that's the most likely, it's also in my eyes the least excusable. With how team-prescribed everything is from meals to supplements, I have a hard time buying he accidentally ingested something. At best, it's dumb/ignorant for not running it by the team/trainers. At worst, it's malicious and he tried to get it out but failed--and maybe others are guilty too and he's the only one who got caught, shrug.
Whatever it was, the part that sells me is that two opposing sides of experts came together and an independent arbitrator likely as relatively dumb as me decided to support the NHL despite the cries and massive panels of experts on the VGK side. That's the best I can do with the information I'm given because it's unlikely we'll ever get more (nor should we really, I do think there is some right to privacy there, even if they vociferously, publicly spoke out re: the concern). I'm not very read-up on the actual policy, but if he had that insanely strong a case, you think the appeal would knock down some games at least.
Where does it say this is was the detection level? That's ridiculously small, the molecule would have to be absolutely huge to be picked up at those levels.
That's gotta be below the IDL on every instrument I've seen. I have no idea how that could be differentiated from noise, unless the molecule is really big. Think of a tennis ball in an olympic pool rather than a handful of sand. I worked at a lab that tested for things like Dioxin and could hit ng/L, but pg/L is crazy. I could see MAYBE hitting that in a controlled standard, but in a matrix like blood? That would be impressive.
To draw any meaningful conclusion one would have to know what the substance is anyways. The amount detected might be of little significance depending on if the substance is a metabolite, limited to a specific pathway, etc.
Vegas had a crazy number of players with career seasons. Not just guys getting their first extended looks (Tuch, Theodore, Nosek, Subban, Hunt, Carpenter) or vets beating their career highs by a small margin (Engelland, Bellemare), but a number of players crushing their previous career highs.
Fleury's SV% by 6 points
Perron by 9 points (missing 12 games)
Smith by 9 points (missing 15 games)
Schmidt by 19 points
Haula by 21 points
Marchesault by 24 points
Miller by 25 points
Karlsson by 53 points
kingsfan28
Its A Kingspiracy !
Yeah, while there's no evidence supporting others, it really reminded me of some of the MLB players in the 2000's who all of a sudden put up crazy numbers without explanation. We eventually know why.
KINGS17
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Yah, to me that is the sure sign of PED use. When players come out of nowhere and suddenly start putting up numbers and get stronger as the season goes on which Schmidt had both. Does it happen naturally? Sure. In this day and age there will always be the cheater label popping up due to late 90's baseball and Lance Armstrong. Let's not forget Armstrong and BALCO claimed they had a gummy bear that was full of PED's and would leave your system within 24 hours. So the odds of you getting caught were much slimmer and the amounts in your system would be trace where you can object and the public would buy it. I am of the belief the NHL and all pro sports still have a PED problem. If it's happening at a 24 hour fitness or cross fit club you can bet your butt it's happening in sports. The real issue is the NHL drug testing policy. It's laughable and they continue to only catch lesser players and it only happens every couple of years. Their stance on marijuana is rather strange and they admit cocaine is hard to catch since it leaves the body within a short amount of time and at the same time say the usage in the NHL is on the rise. It's too lenient of a system and the only way to get rid of the questions is to adopt an Olympic style system or there will be cheaters and drug addicts in the NHL and there probably always has been. If Schmidt was truly innocent he would sue the maker of the supplement or the team itself if that is where he got it from. This won't happen though and that is the sure sign he's a lying cheat.
Ziggy Stardust
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Hasn't Nevada been used as a testing site for nuclear weapons in the past? They could have just contracted some special powers as a result of the radiation in the air.
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I saw 7 billionth of a milligram in a milliliter, which equates to 7 nanograms per liter (ng/L). A man Schmidt’s size would have 5-6 liters of blood, so you’re looking at ~40 nanograms of whatever it was. Still not much, but maybe the substance is highly active.
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Hasn't Nevada been used as a testing site for nuclear weapons in the past? They could have just contracted some special powers as a result of the radiation in the air.
Yup, the mushroom cloud could be seen from Vegas during one test.
If we're using baseball analogies, Vegas was able to give a bunch of guys 600 ABs when they weren't necessarily getting that with their original clubs. Haula had one PP goal in four seasons with Minnesota to 12 last season with Vegas. Haula was a 12-13 minute guy with no PP time before, now he was playing 17 minutes with regular PP opportunities.
Albeit Haula shot at a somewhat high percentage (16.6%) which would be harder to repeat. William Karlsson's 23.4% shooting percentage is also a red flag (aka let somebody else draft him in your Yahoo league). Ie, T.J. Oshie shot 23.1% in 2016-17 and seemed like a good bet to regress the following year (shot a more normal 14.2% this past season).
I would be curious to see the home/away splits over a few seasons to see if the "Vegas flu" was a reality. Just a quick gander with Reilly Smith: 36 points in 33 home games, 24 points in 34 away games.
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I hope Vegas does horribly. They should. Bunch of overachieving peasants.
Raccoon Jesus
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I appreciated their hustle all season, was a nice story, even within the division.
Lost all of that appreciation once the "oh, he's day-to-day" and butt-ending with no punishment started. Dirty and utterly gutless team.
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If Vegas had some guys on the stuff you're gonna see a lot of down seasons, long streaks without goals and guys constantly banged up. And they'll be watching and enjoying TV shows like The Bachelor (you have low T if you do go see a doctor).
KingsFan7824
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Raccoon Jesus
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Price a guy gets paid for such success in his career.
Eager to see what happens to Winnipeg. Much like the exaltation of Stevie Y, they're going to be in a fun spot next offseason--RFA deals for Laine, Connor, Copp, and Trouba and so far only Buff and Kulikov under contract on D (Morrissey is inevitable but he's RFA right now, not sure who they sign/promote but that D is starting to look like a weak-ish link for such a top team). The only significant expiring deal next season is Myers and even then they have to replace him/his minutes. Currently at 10m in cap space.
I wasn't saying I don't like the deal. It's like some king's deals. They could be ugly come the end too but I am glad we have them and know we had to do it.
KopitarFAN
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Raccoon Jesus
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Oh no I'm with you. Was just making a general observation.
The tough thing about the Wheeler contract is that Winnipeg is in a much different situation with respect to roster age than we are. They absolutely SHOULD be paying the RFA kids and I can't see a world in which they re-sign Myers. Wheeler doesn't fit their age structure but totally fits their team and leadership, so they 'had' to bite the bullet. I would have signed that if I were Chevy too, I guess I'm just illustrating that the 'smart' thing to do as per many armchair GMs would be to let the aging Wheeler go for assets, and if it were the Kings instead of the Jets, he'd be getting raked for it around here.
johnjm22
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Wheeler will be 33 when that contract starts.
I don't like the deal. I totally understand that they want to keep him and I get he's been one of the best in the league for the past few seasons, but the Jets have a bunch of young guys that are going to need big contracts. There's very few forwards past the age of 33 that are productive.
I also didn't like Hellebuyck's deal.
I don't like the deal. I totally understand that they want to keep him and I get he's been one of the best in the league for the past few seasons, but the Jets have a bunch of young guys that are going to need big contracts. There's very few forwards past the age of 33 that are productive.
I also didn't like Hellebuyck's deal.
KingsFan7824
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The Jets might have to make this year count. They already have a $6m goalie. They're going to have two 33+ year old guys with $8m cap hits. Who knows what Laine and/or Connor get after their ELC's. You figure on name recognition alone, Laine gets a huge deal. That much more so if he gets 50 or 60 goals.
The thing that helps them is how sweet Scheiffle's deal is
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