Sportsnet: Arizona have received an offer matching their asking price for Jakob Chychrun.

[Dr Beinfest]

Who is taking a 10 mill cap hit with 12 mill due next year 10 mill after that and he has a full NMC?

I dont see Bob going anywhere.

Did you miss the part where I said 1-2 years? The year is in fact 2022 right now, he’ll be in the middle of or past the $12 million year. $ retention is a thing. He will also be 1 year away from a 16 team modified NTC, and a buyout will be more of a possibility, too. For teams who have cap space as a commodity and are tanking, in 1-2 years, Bobrovsky is an opportunity to make a killer to bury him, pun intended.

 

[TotalHomer]

Value wise Chycrun and Lundell swap one for one is fair. But even then Arizona would have to take some salary back to offset the cap.

But realistically these trades always get underwhelming returns. Why Arizona is selling I have no idea, but since they are, they'll get something like Tippett/Denisenko + 1st. Which is also fair value albeit not as interesting from the fans POV.

 

[Dr Beinfest]

Why, because you don't want to give up the needed assets for the player in question?

get out of here with your HF armchair GM bullshit. Nobody’s here for it.

 

[absolute garbage]

The no move goes away the last two years of the deal. The real money also goes down

It's still going to be insanely difficult to move a 36 year old goalie with 2 years left at 10M cap hit (12.5M real dollars).

Maybe you can unload his last year (perhaps with some retention) to a team with really low payroll. But teams generally don't take massive cap dumps with 2 years remaining.

 

[rt]

Soon...

I’m looking forward to seeing Brandt Clarke in a Yotes uniform, then.

 

[kilowatt]

I have a hard time believing Clarke or Byfield would be included in a deal for Chychrun, they seem untouchable. With that said, that Kings have several other first round picks in their arsenal: Turcotte, Vilardi, Kupari, and Bjornfot (and for completion's sake, Brown, Kopitar, Doughty, Andersson, Danault, and Maatta).

Turcotte, Bjornfot, and a lottery-protected first is probably the highest value I'd give up from LA.

 

[FlaPanthers11]

Value wise Chycrun and Lundell swap one for one is fair. But even then Arizona would have to take some salary back to offset the cap.

But realistically these trades always get underwhelming returns. Why Arizona is selling I have no idea, but since they are, they'll get something like Tippett/Denisenko + 1st. Which is also fair value albeit not as interesting from the fans POV.

They’re selling because they’d be wasting an asset otherwise. Chychrun is signed for 3 more years, none of which AZ is really competing in. After that he’s a UFA. His value drops every day/month/season that they don’t trade him

 

[Peter Griffin]

Now is the time when the Canucks should've been trading for one of Arizona's defensemen. But alas, Benning.

 

[kings11]

I’m looking forward to seeing Brandt Clarke in a Yotes uniform, then.

I’m sure Bjornfot would look good in a Yotes uni

 

[Dr Beinfest]

Bobrovsky has a massive contract with a full NMC, you're not going to be able to move him.

Bobrovsky’s NMC has a modification permitting a 16 team list in 3 years. It is not crazy to think he would waive his NMC clause. This ain’t that uncommon. In 2 years, his contract isn’t massive anymore.

 

[rt]

Value wise Chycrun and Lundell swap one for one is fair. But even then Arizona would have to take some salary back to offset the cap.

But realistically these trades always get underwhelming returns. Why Arizona is selling I have no idea, but since they are, they'll get something like Tippett/Denisenko + 1st. Which is also fair value albeit not as interesting from the fans POV.

Im wondering about retention on Chychrun. Like Chychrun with 50% retained and Florida’s choice of Travis Boyd or Johan Larsson for Lundell, Vatrano, Juolevi, and some decent future asset (pick or prospect, below the Knight tier).

 

[BB88]

I mean they can, if they are in a win now mode which they are.

Lundell is more valuable on and off the ice

 

[rt]

I’m sure Bjornfot would look good in a Yotes uni

Yep. Him also. It would take both. And your 1st.

 

[absolute garbage]

I mean they can, if they are in a win now mode which they are.

But the problem is that Lundell himself is a huge part of that "win now", and he's that with ELC cap hit.

Again, moving him makes absolutely no sense. It has to be futures, assets that don't contribute to them winning in the next few seasons. Knight is the starting point.

 

[rt]

But the problem is that Lundell himself is a huge part of that "win now", and he's that with ELC cap hit.

Again, moving him makes absolutely no sense. It has to be futures, assets that don't contribute to them winning in the next few seasons. Knight is the starting point.

I agree. I’m baffled as to why Lundell’s name is in this. But also, there’s no deal with Florida if he’s not involved. Their prospect pool doesn’t make sense for AZ.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Value wise Chycrun and Lundell swap one for one is fair. But even then Arizona would have to take some salary back to offset the cap.

But realistically these trades always get underwhelming returns. Why Arizona is selling I have no idea, but since they are, they'll get something like Tippett/Denisenko + 1st. Which is also fair value albeit not as interesting from the fans POV.

Dougie Hamilton, perhaps the most recent comparable because of the contractual similarity, did not get an underwhelming return.

Chychrun is not getting close to free agency or anything. There’s been no indication of a trade request or any type of dispute. It appears Arizona is making him available just for the return and how that better aligns with its rebuild. That doesn’t point to an organization that will get squeezed here.

 

[Sm00chy]

Not having a ‘22 1st hurts a deal with FLA. Lundell is really the only way I see a deal with FLA happening. Steep but that’s the cost for a fairly cost controlled young top pairing dman. This is a perfect example of “you need to give to get” player.

 

[jonlin]

Not having a ‘22 1st hurts a deal with FLA. Lundell is really the only way I see a deal with FLA happening. Steep but that’s the cost for a fairly cost controlled young top pairing dman. This is a perfect example of “you need to give to get” player.

I do think that Lundell for Chychrun would be a 2 steps back move for Florida. Lundell, with his defensive ability, has given 1-2 lines more offensive starts. I`d rather go for a Petry or Savard with retention if getting Chychrun means loosing Lundell.

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

To Phoenix: Alex Turcotte, Lias Andersson 2023 1st, and conditional 1st if Chychrun resigns.

to LA : Chychrun

logic LA gets to keep some of their current depth and Phoenix gets layers of talent and picks to facilitate a cheap and skilleed team if they can draft well.

 

[Boondock]

Two out of Knight, Denisenko & Tippett and a 1st?

I am surprised that players like Tippett and Denisenko have the value needed to land a player Chychrun. Tippett is about to turn 23 is in his D+5 year and is producing like a 3rd line winger. I get there is still room for improvement, but Chychrun is less than a year older and has been a producing top 4 dman in the nhl for 6 years. Denisenko hasn’t followed the development you would want to see for a player drafted in the top half of the first round. If I’m the yotes, I might accept one of those 2 as part of a package but I would want a higher end asset than either of those 2 for sure. Add in that the 1st will be a late pick in 2023, that trade package is extremely underwhelming to me.

 

[kings11]

Yep. Him also. It would take both. And your 1st.

No it won’t.. and you wouldn’t get both…
Bjornfot
Kupari
Anderson-Dolan
2022 1st

Is a package most teams wouldn’t match and you can try your hand at recreating something similar from other teams to just how accurate this is.. how’s going to offer more FLA? NYR? ANA? STL?
You’re not getting Schneider, Lundell, Kyrou or whatever wild dream you think you’d get from Anaheim! Now build out a deal knowing that and see what you get

 

[Jormungandr]

I’m looking forward to seeing Brandt Clarke in a Yotes uniform, then.

I’d rather send Chychrun to Minnesota(or any other team) for Victor Rask and a 2036 7th round pick than ever see him in a Kings jersey.

 

[Apex Predator]

To Phoenix: Alex Turcotte, Lias Andersson 2023 1st, and conditional 1st if Chychrun resigns.

to LA : Chychrun

logic LA gets to keep some of their current depth and Phoenix gets layers of talent and picks to facilitate a cheap and skilleed team if they can draft well.

what? He’s under contract for 3 more years

 

[absolute garbage]

I agree. I’m baffled as to why Lundell’s name is in this. But also, there’s no deal with Florida if he’s not involved. Their prospect pool doesn’t make sense for AZ.

It doesn't make sense for *you*, and I see where you are coming from regarding goalies and their value. But I can also see the team being interested in one of the best goalie prospects on the planet, a position they don't really have much going on at the moment.

I saw your earlier post about acceptable packages from NYR, LA and CBJ. I don't think LA or CBJ wants to give up the D prospects you are high on, but Schneider could be moved. I see him as the 'least needed' for their current team. Maybe switch Othmann for Kravtsov and you have a deal.

 

[pld459666]

What if, say, Florida has a momentary lapse of sanity and offers Lundell initially? While Arizona is working other teams to beat that (as you say), Florida might re-consider (and come to their senses) and either change their offer or rescind their offer.

I posit that this happens a lot more often than we think