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The 16th amendment gives Congress the power to tax income. Nothing voluntary about it.
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The 16th amendment gives Congress the power to tax income. Nothing voluntary about it.
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They should be exempt because they are given the money freely by members of their community who wish to support them, and they’re not using the money for enterprise to make themselves more money. They pay employees and the rest is used for SERVICE. That money people give has already been taxed, multiple times in some cases. So tax it again? Yikes.
Why am I paying TAXES on my wages? Then paying sales TAX to spend my money. Then paying income TAXES on my money they already TAXED and paying property TAXES after I already paid sales TAX on said property. Oh yeah and I wanna donate some money to my local church, please govern me harder daddy and TAX that too for me while you’re at it! Wild.
An encylopedia set worth of tax codes so more people can take away your hard earn wages. Reducing the tax code to a flat tax and not having so many unnecessary people on the government payroll would greatly increase tax revenue by hyper driving the economy. Get rid of more red tape and let small businesses thrive too!
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Fun fact also…we had roads, schools, and doctors up until 1913 with no income tax. It was implemented as a wartime measure and was supposed to be temporary. But in case no one has noticed, once liberties are taken from you they are never given back voluntarily. Don’t worry though, it’s all for your safety, protection, and convenience guys
They don’t want to my man. You think these people don’t understand how economics work? They understand clearly haha. The system isn’t broken, it’s working exactly as intended and they’d like to keep it that way.
Fun fact also…we had roads, schools, and doctors up until 1913 with no income tax. It was implemented as a wartime measure and was supposed to be temporary. But in case no one has noticed, once liberties are taken from you they are never given back voluntarily. Don’t worry though, it’s all for your safety, protection, and convenience guys
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I don't think an income tax is the biggest problem. It's spending. The general welfare clause has been interpreted to mean there are no limits on what Congress can spend money on, resulting in an exploding debt that will soon prove disastrous.
Oh sweet summer child.
Again, you can ramble on about the government all you want, doesn't change that churches should be taxed. They use their tax advantages to further their mission and that mission is not about helping people, it's about recruiting new members, which ultimately gets them even more money. No wonder CCV pastor has a net worth of $12.5 million and pulls a $500k salary. He thanks you for your service.
If you’re talking about who I think you’re talking about, he had a career and high paying job before becoming a pastor. Also how much of his salary does he donate back into the church? You don’t know. I don’t know. I’d wager it’s a fair amount. Anyway, I’m talking about the entity itself not the employees of it. What does the entity spend all its money on?Oh sweet summer child.
Again, you can ramble on about the government all you want, doesn't change that churches should be taxed. They use their tax advantages to further their mission and that mission is not about helping people, it's about recruiting new members, which ultimately gets them even more money. No wonder CCV pastor has a net worth of $12.5 million and pulls a $500k salary. He thanks you for your service.
Dude makes $500k a year for being a pastor, I assure you evangelism has been a lucrative career move for him.
The entity spends it's money on spreading the gospel, like a virus it's all about infecting as many hosts as possible. Offering "charity" to those who struggle is its primary attack vector.
The missions and help they provide to people is all a scheme to enrich the employees that work there by increasing their salaries? I’m not going to try to change your mind friend, but I think if you poke at that a little bit you’ll see that it doesn’t really hold water. Pretty thin.
Oh I admit there's more to it than getting rich, good 'ol fashion power is a big part of it too. I appreciate your naivity and to each their own but just know you don't need the concept of a god, not even a little bit, and you need religion even less.
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Sure, to each their own. Everyone’s needs are different. What I would argue everyone does need is a sense of community, belonging, and a place/people they can rely on for support. Some people are lucky enough to have that without being involved with a local church…most aren’t. There are churches that do a great job of it and offer real value to people in several different areas. You don’t have to agree and are obviously entitled to your own views, but you also don’t need to poo poo large swaths of people as naive or dumb for trying to better themselves and engage with their community. You’re also offering a perspective based entirely on indirect experience I’m guessing. Direct life experiences are what usually end up providing the knowledge you need to achieve a full, clear perspective on anything.
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Gets out my drums.. ok everyone please take off your shoes and get in a circle.. let the rhythm heal you all..
Someone breaks out one of those wood horn Australia things..
Now we have found harmony
Someone breaks out one of those wood horn Australia things..
Now we have found harmony
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I suspect you don't want to get into this too deeply, because the receipts are not going to go your way.
I will never come down on anyone for being religious or spiritual, but religious organizations are an entirely different matter. Their tax exemptions are essentially a license to print money. They use donated money to buy real estate, establish shell corporations, build media monopolies, fund lavish lifestyles for leadership, and create wealth at an unprecedented scale and rate. All without any accountability or reporting to the donors of all that tax-free cash. Being in the God business is an exceptionally lucrative pursuit, and because of that a great many people are exploited - especially the people who are ostensibly being "served."
Worship how you like. But have a clear eye about churches. Or at least have the same skepticism you have about the government.
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Church is not about community, it's a club. Sure it caters to it's members but it generally doesn't give a f*** about the community. In fact I'd argue they're anti-community,. An example is trunk or treating, one of the fun aspects of Halloween night is neighbors interacting with each other but in many places the interaction has decreased noticeably because church members go interact with their club instead of their community.
I get your point though and the idea of community, taking care of one another, trying to be a better version of yourself, etc. sounds awesome. Too bad it has to be watered down with the unnecessary god stuff.
I concede some are better than others but megachurches are typically the worst of the bunch. Corporatized religion, talk about an unholy union!
Yeah again, it seems like you’re speaking about preconceived notions you have developed or “things you’ve heard.” I don’t doubt that any of these things happen. Cliques can form. Things can be run or managed poorly. People are imperfect. You can’t expect perfection from any person, group or entity. There will be mistakes. But to take those human mistakes and then contort that into this idea that all churches are greedy, don’t do good for people and help people in the community, or make it seem like they are blatantly and purposefully engaged in shameful behavior…I think that’s just the wrong approach to take and sullies all of the good work they do actually accomplish. If you want to point out every negative and ignore the tons of positives I guess that’s your prerogative.
To be completely honest, I used to hold a lot of these same cynical opinions and preconceived notions about how churches operate. Some of them held kernels of truth, but ALL of them were based off of zero direct experience and engagement. Once I changed this and decided to experience for myself, drop my preconceived notions and participate, I have found the reality to be much different than what I believed it to be. Be the change you want to see in the world. Don’t kick something that’s meant for good into the dirt because of human imperfection.
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Don’t doubt that it happens. It’s perfectly reasonable to say that anything run by humans is subject to error and exploitation, and should be scrutinized. These instances should always be called out and corrected as often as possible. I just don’t like blanket demonization of churches because I don’t think it’s helpful. It turns people away and gives them an idea in their head that all organizations operate the same way, which isn’t true. People that could use the church as a vehicle to help them better their life go unserved because of this. My views don’t always align with church doctrine either. I think there are many different forms of spiritual practice that are effective and all mostly point towards the same thing and achieve the same end.
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AZ D1 HS Championship game was so much fun. Highly recommend attending next year for anyone who considered it this year but didn’t go. Such a great game and atmosphere. Very fun
Makes me nostalgic. I played in two state HS championship games in New Mexico…lost them both. Fun moments I’ll always remember though. I suspect these kids are much better players overall given the market now haha.
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I mean, it’s not a particularly high level of hockey. 80% of the centennial players were wearing their club hockey team helmets (Mission, Bobcats, Sun Devils, etc). Most of these kids are headed to ACHA at best, I suspect. But the stakes were high for them. And they played their absolute guts out and it was a blast.
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Haha, my first high school girlfriend ended up going there, back when it was Liberty Baptist College - Ole Jerry Falwell's dream as stated in a newspaper interview was to be the Notre Dame of fundie Christianity...well guess who went to the better bowl game this year, LU or ND?
I ran into her once 5 years later, after we'd both graduated from college. The one thing I remember her saying was how Falwell was obsessed with "those homos"... that they're now a breeding ground for...well... the things they're a breeding ground for isn't surprising. But suffice it to say I'll never root for William Byron in NASCAR.
