Confirmed with Link: [ARI/TOR] Conor Timmins to Toronto for Curtis Douglas

[GoonieFace]

Timmons has looked ok so far. Not the greatest skater, but adequate. All in all looking like a solid trade

 

[Jojalu]

How is someone that can score over .5PPG in an extended sample size with Rich Clune as a staple on his wing with only 4th line minutes as a rookie not be any good? Despite being a HW enforcer who could score at that pace, which would have to make him close to the best 4th liner in the league. How could they not even give him an extended look up a line, hell two lines just to see if he could do even more, especially when he is 6'9? It doesn't look like he played very well with the Marlies to start the season. But, I think it's kind of harsh to put all the blame on him when he wasn't given a real chance even with the Marlies despite overperforming in his role his first season. The second he didn't shoot the lights out with no PP time and 4th line minutes they just bailed.

As much as it sucked, Kadri became more of a liability than help for the Leafs. He was a huge part of the Cup run last year, but he wouldn't be here now anyways. The Leafs couldn't give him 7+ million.

For all this talk Marchment gets the guy has scored 29 career goals at the age of 27.

He had an incredibly hot run last year but is just meh with Dallas who is one of the highest svoring teams in the league.

Dubas went and acquired Douglas so this weird fantasy people have that he is opposed to toughness is just nonsense.

The Leafs are mid pack for hits, top 5 for blocked shots, win more board battles than any team in the league.

None of this points to a soft team. Unless you have your own definition of what soft is.

 

[sxvnert]

As much as it sucked, Kadri became more of a liability than help for the Leafs. He was a huge part of the Cup run last year, but he wouldn't be here now anyways. The Leafs couldn't give him 7+ million.

The trade humbled Kadri. Until then he did whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted. He was suspended three times ffs and still has the balls to be pissed about the leafs wanting to trade him.

 

[saltming]

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[Menzinger]

Worth noting Douglas has 4 pointless games with Arizona's AHL affiliate at the moment.

I hope the guy (for his own sake) manages to carve out a pro hockey career eventually one way or the other. BUT it's not as if the Coyotes are viewing him as an NHL ready hidden gem.....

 

[Magic Man]

As much as it sucked, Kadri became more of a liability than help for the Leafs. He was a huge part of the Cup run last year, but he wouldn't be here now anyways. The Leafs couldn't give him 7+ million.

For all this talk Marchment gets the guy has scored 29 career goals at the age of 27.

He had an incredibly hot run last year but is just meh with Dallas who is one of the highest svoring teams in the league.

Dubas went and acquired Douglas so this weird fantasy people have that he is opposed to toughness is just nonsense.

The Leafs are mid pack for hits, top 5 for blocked shots, win more board battles than any team in the league.

None of this points to a soft team. Unless you have your own definition of what soft is.

I don't think Dubas opposes toughness, I think he values it less than the majority of other GM's. It's one of the ways he is trying to get an edge on other GM's. I think it is obvious with his team building moves and his draft selections that physicality is not high on his list of valued traits. That seems to work in the regular season and I'm enjoying the point streak quite well right now . But, I actually do think that may have been a part of the problem in 6 first round exits.

Getting 3 extra years out of Kadri would have been great. If he was able to elevate his game like he did in Colorado he'd have been huge.

Dubas did bring Douglas in and sign him to an ELC after an AHL contract but the coaching staff did not promote him in the lineup even with his success and Dubas then agreed to trade him instead of someone like Mikhail Abramov.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Dubas did bring Douglas in and sign him to an ELC after an AHL contract but the coaching staff did not promote him in the lineup even with his success and Dubas then agreed to trade him instead of someone like Mikhail Abramov.

This makes no sense. How do you know Dubas didn't offer Abramov? Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.

Would you prefer to have Douglas still with the Marlies and no Connor Timmons?

 

[The Podium]

The amount of backpedaling in this thread is delicious

 

[Magic Man]

This makes no sense. How do you know Dubas didn't offer Abramov? Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.

Would you prefer to have Douglas still with the Marlies and no Connor Timmons?

If they planned on developing him like they couldn't or weren't willing to do with guys like Marchment or Joshua I'd rather have Douglas. If they are going to stall his development and delay him from reaching his potential then they may as well just keep Timmins. I think Douglas as an Adam Lowry like 3C or a 6'9 version of Tie Domi on the 4th line is a more interesting prospect than an oft injured player who we hope can replace Justin Holl.

I don't think he'll have many 3 point nights this season. The Leafs are rolling and Anaheim sucks. It's a small sample size. But, it's still encouraging.

I think he could have found someone else that would have satisfied the Coyotes in trade other than Douglas.

 

[Jojalu]

I don't think Dubas opposes toughness, I think he values it less than the majority of other GM's. It's one of the ways he is trying to get an edge on other GM's. I think it is obvious with his team building moves and his draft selections that physicality is not high on his list of valued traits. That seems to work in the regular season and I'm enjoying the point streak quite well right now . But, I actually do think that may have been a part of the problem in 6 first round exits.

Getting 3 extra years out of Kadri would have been great. If he was able to elevate his game like he did in Colorado he'd have been huge.

Dubas did bring Douglas in and sign him to an ELC after an AHL contract but the coaching staff did not promote him in the lineup even with his success and Dubas then agreed to trade him instead of someone like Mikhail Abramov.

It's very hard not to think about what Kadri could have done here the past 3 playoffs. I certainly imagine we win at least one of those three series if he played anywhere near his level of play last year

 

[LeafChief]

How is someone that can score over .5PPG in an extended sample size with Rich Clune as a staple on his wing with only 4th line minutes as a rookie not be any good? Despite being a HW enforcer who could score at that pace, which would have to make him close to the best 4th liner in the league. How could they not even give him an extended look up a line, hell two lines just to see if he could do even more, especially when he is 6'9? It doesn't look like he played very well with the Marlies to start the season. But, I think it's kind of harsh to put all the blame on him when he wasn't given a real chance even with the Marlies despite overperforming in his role his first season. The second he didn't shoot the lights out with no PP time and 4th line minutes they just bailed.

Because he struggles to keep up with the pace of the AHL.

 

[kb]

An awful lot of posts for one bruised ego.

It's a steal any way you look at it.

 

[DarkKnight]

Something for nothing, what’s not to like. Makes a good first pass, sees the ice pretty well. Great depth.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

sees the ice pretty well.

Ya, but just think about how much better he'd see the ice if he were 6'9"!!!

 

[BertCorbeau]

If they planned on developing him like they couldn't or weren't willing to do with guys like Marchment or Joshua I'd rather have Douglas. If they are going to stall his development and delay him from reaching his potential then they may as well just keep Timmins. I think Douglas as an Adam Lowry like 3C or a 6'9 version of Tie Domi on the 4th line is a more interesting prospect than an oft injured player who we hope can replace Justin Holl.

I don't think he'll have many 3 point nights this season. The Leafs are rolling and Anaheim sucks. It's a small sample size. But, it's still encouraging.

I think he could have found someone else that would have satisfied the Coyotes in trade other than Douglas.

I don't get this.. so it's all on the organization if the player does/doesn't develop? Nothing to do with the player at all? Because that's what's implied .. it's entirely possible and likely that Douglas just didn't do enough in the off-season to work on his issues to push his game forward and he's stagnated ..As evidence by his play this year. He has 1 assist in 18 games between the two teams so far.

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

If they planned on developing him like they couldn't or weren't willing to do with guys like Marchment or Joshua I'd rather have Douglas. If they are going to stall his development and delay him from reaching his potential then they may as well just keep Timmins. I think Douglas as an Adam Lowry like 3C or a 6'9 version of Tie Domi on the 4th line is a more interesting prospect than an oft injured player who we hope can replace Justin Holl.

I don't think he'll have many 3 point nights this season. The Leafs are rolling and Anaheim sucks. It's a small sample size. But, it's still encouraging.

I think he could have found someone else that would have satisfied the Coyotes in trade other than Douglas.

Douglas won't even measure up to John Scott's career and you think he'll turn into Adam Lowry or Tie Domi. That's insane.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

Something for nothing, what’s not to like. Makes a good first pass, sees the ice pretty well. Great depth.

Money for nothin and Timmin's for free

 

[Magic Man]

I can't quote posts right now.

LeafChief - He doesn't need to be a burner at 6'9 he can cover the majority of the ice sheet by extending his arms out.

BertCorbeau - I think Toronto is having issues identifying good players that can play physical hockey. I think errors like Marchment and Joshua are scouting issues. Other teams seem to be identifying players in Toronto's system and plucking them and feeding them ice time and they're burning us. They were never bad prospects the team they were on didn't care enough about their success to help them get there. These players got there somewhere else because that teams management saw potential in them and gave them an opportunity to succeed. Like Ritchie last year, he struggled to start the year and he was never put in a position to succeed again, he went to Arizona and immediately started to produce. They are having one hell of time developing or finding physical players they can actually use in their lineup.

diehardleafsfan9878 - John Scott never scored more than 6 points in any season he's ever had since he started junior hockey in the NCAA. That spans 14 seasons, mostly in the NHL. Curtis Douglas scored 34 points in 67 games as a rookie in the AHL.

 

[supermann_98]

This team can't identitify and develop toughness. Douglas was a stand out player for the Marlies last year. Like all the others he has kicked out of town, he stands a good chance of performing better some place else. Based on his height, his skill both offensively and defensively and his physicality he stands out as a bit of a unicorn prospect, even if he doesn't hit his ceiling.

In my opinion it is a bad trade because as Dubas typically does, he undervalued the gritty player and overvalued the vanilla depth guy. When we already have the softest team and system in the national hockey league. Nothing like building each line and pairing the same way, without players that utilize body contact.

Curtis Douglas is not a unicorn like you're hyping him up to be. He's a gentle giant who'll occasionally fight because it's expected of him being a freak size wise, but who's done nothing to show he's even remotely close to being a 13th forward at the NHL level.

Meanwhile Timmins is a 32nd overall pick who many would've been okay with the Leafs drafting in 2017 simply because he's a skilled RHD, until Liljegren fell to the pick. He's been a ppg player in the small sample size he's been here AND the team has shutouts in 3 of the 4 games he's played in ... and you STILL going on about that slug Douglas?

He ain't Chara, he ain't Tage Thompson, he's Curtis "1-point-in-18-AHL-games" Douglas

 

[Thornbury]

I can't quote posts right now.

LeafChief - He doesn't need to be a burner at 6'9 he can cover the majority of the ice sheet by extending his arms out.

BertCorbeau - I think Toronto is having issues identifying good players that can play physical hockey. I think errors like Marchment and Joshua are scouting issues. Other teams seem to be identifying players in Toronto's system and plucking them and feeding them ice time and they're burning us. They were never bad prospects the team they were on didn't care enough about their success to help them get there. These players got there somewhere else because that teams management saw potential in them and gave them an opportunity to succeed. Like Ritchie last year, he struggled to start the year and he was never put in a position to succeed again, he went to Arizona and immediately started to produce. They are having one hell of time developing or finding physical players they can actually use in their lineup.

diehardleafsfan9878 - John Scott never scored more than 6 points in any season he's ever had since he started junior hockey in the NCAA. That spans 14 seasons, mostly in the NHL. Curtis Douglas scored 34 points in 67 games as a rookie in the AHL.

Joshua also went through the St Louis system before finally getting an NHL opportunity years after he was drafted.

 

[Fogelhund]

The same way Matthews and Marner are unique because of their skill someone like Kadri and Marchment are unique because of their ability to both play at a high level and be over the top physically.

What a bad hill to choose to die on.

 

[Ciao]

The same way Matthews and Marner are unique because of their skill someone like Kadri and Marchment are unique because of their ability to both play at a high level and be over the top physically.

When I've watched Douglas in pre-season exhibition games, he looked a little like Bambi on skates -- about to go ass-over-tea-kettle.

It's hard not to like the guy and root for him, but I think that almost anyone who has watched him play would agree that trading him for a young defenceman with more upside is a pretty good deal for the Leafs.

However, I'm happy that there's a divergence of opinion, to the end that somehow Arizona decided to close this deal

 

[Dekes For Days]

I think Toronto is having issues identifying good players that can play physical hockey.

I think the issue might be on your end if you think Marchment/Joshua/Douglas represent that. None of those guys were badly developed or prevented from getting opportunity here. They just flat out weren't good enough. Douglas had a horrific offseason and continues in the AHL on his new team, doing nothing. Joshua spent a couple years in the ECHL/AHL doing nothing, and as a fringe or healthy scratched NHLer doing nothing, before hitting UFA where St Louis didn't want him. Marchment was sent to the AHL on his new team, did nothing there and then spent the next year as a fringe NHLer/healthy scratch before hitting UFA.

Like Ritchie last year, he struggled to start the year and he was never put in a position to succeed again, he went to Arizona and immediately started to produce.

What are you even talking about? Ritchie was given tons of opportunity. He literally started the year on the top line with Matthews and Marner, and was tried on every single line to try and get him going. He looked braindead out there.

 

[GrizzGreen]

When I've watched Douglas in pre-season exhibition games, he looked a little like Bambi on skates -- about to go ass-over-tea-kettle.

It's hard not to like the guy and root for him, but I think that almost anyone who has watched him play would agree that trading him for a young defenceman with more upside is a pretty good deal for the Leafs.

However, I'm happy that there's a divergence of opinion, to the end that somehow Arizona decided to close this deal

bro hes the next Tage Thompson bro trust me

 

[Magic Man]

I think the issue might be on your end if you think Marchment/Joshua/Douglas represent that. None of those guys were badly developed or prevented from getting opportunity here. They just flat out weren't good enough. Douglas had a horrific offseason and continues in the AHL on his new team, doing nothing. Joshua spent a couple years in the ECHL/AHL doing nothing, and as a fringe or healthy scratched NHLer doing nothing, before hitting UFA where St Louis didn't want him. Marchment was sent to the AHL on his new team, did nothing there and then spent the next year as a fringe NHLer/healthy scratch before hitting UFA.

What are you even talking about? Ritchie was given tons of opportunity. He literally started the year on the top line with Matthews and Marner, and was tried on every single line to try and get him going. He looked braindead out there.

Those players were good enough, they have proved it since leaving.

He didn't look braindead before or after coming here.

What a bad hill to choose to die on.

What are you on about now?