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Confirmed with Link: [ARI/TOR] Conor Timmins to Toronto for Curtis Douglas

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Stephen said:
Mason Marchment played 4 games for Toronto totaling 20 minutes of play, averaging less than 7 minutes in each game which works out to something like 2 shifts per period. It's not like they brought him up with any real intention of a real promotion.
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Mason Marchment played 4 years in Toronto, and did nothing in any lower league or the NHL that justified more games or a bigger role. Quite frankly, he's lucky he got any games.
 
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Namikaze Minato said:
If you think a new GM will solve this then I have a cousin who's a prince in Nigeria wanting to talk to you about your cars extended warranty.
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If he needs help moving a few million, let me know. Is there anyway I can send the transfer fees other than $500 at at time through Western Union?
 
Dekes For Days said:
Mason Marchment played 4 years in Toronto, and did nothing in any lower league or the NHL that justified more games or a bigger role. Quite frankly, he's lucky he got any games.
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The only push back I'll say to this is that the general sentiment around him from people who were actually closer to the game (AHL coaches, NHL management etc), was that he improved leaps and bounds every year. It was his skating that might ultimately end up holding him back...but that they wouldn't count him out on improving it considering he was making it a clear point in trying to.

He was a late bloomer and didn't have the same trajectory other players had.

Where he was when we traded him wasn't impressive at a quick glance, but it was incredibly impressive when you considered where he was only a short time earlier.

In 2013-2014 he was an 18-19 year old playing in the OJHL putting up only 43 oints in 51 games. Many NHL drafted players would have been playing in the OHL at 16.

Only two years later in the 2015-2016 season he had a point per game stint in the OHL at 20-21 as an OHL overager. While not impressive, a big leap from where he was in 2013-2014. I know many who put up numbers like Marchment did in the OJHL at a younger age who no matter how much time they were given would never have been good enough to play in the OHL. They would get called up and look lost. Big improvement.

Only 1 year after that he puts up 14 goals and 20 points in 35 games in the ECHL a men's pro league. Again, not impressive generally but a big improvement.

Only one year later he puts up 9 points in 20 games in the AHL playoffs to help lead the Marlies to a calder cup.

Only two years after that he is putting up 13 goals in 24 games and 18 points for the Marlies, an over 40 goal pace.

He was never really stagnant. Started his growth very late but from then on he was getting better every year. He was still a longshot. But I wouldn't have been adverse to hanging on to him a little longer. The idea of people who look at his stats and say that AHL production is nothing...until he became stagnant I would not look at it like that. I would have assumed the next year would be better.
 
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If Keefe and co. doesn't get Timmins into a game soon, they'll lose him on waivers as our injured D start to come back.

If I were Timmins, I might have asked for a trade by now, because some Matlies are higher on the depth chart apparently!!!
 
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Fogelhund said:
Talk about over reacting.. This is hilarious.
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Listen, Conor Timmins, if not for some major injuries, has proven to be a promising prospect.

I fully realize that he might not add up to be a top 4 NHL defenseman. He might only prove to be nothing more than a depth player for our Leafs. What is wrong with giving him a starting role to see what they have?

He has also been partnered with both Sandin and Hollowell in the Soo. So, he has some familiarity with a couple of current Leafs.

And, he’s a body that can play defense, and that’s exactly what our Leafs need right now. I say get him in there to see if he belongs. He isn't waiver exempt, so Dubas and Keefe should want to find out what they have before our injured D start to come back!

JMHO.
 
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Al14 said:
Listen, Conor Timmins, if not for some major injuries, has proven to be a promising prospect.

I fully realize that he might not add up to be a top 4 NHL defenseman. He might only prove to be nothing more than a depth player for our Leafs. What is wrong with giving him a starting role to see what they have?

He has also been partnered with both Sandin and Hollowell in the Soo. So, he has some familiarity with a couple of current Leafs.

And, he’s a body that can play defense, and that’s exactly what our Leafs need right now. I say get him in there to see if he belongs. He isn't waiver exempt, so Dubas and Keefe should want to find out what they have before our injured D start to come back!

JMHO.
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I know who he is, and what his potential was.

But.. ask for a trade? He's in no position to do so...

They'll get him out there... when they feel he's best ready to play within our system.
 
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Fogelhund said:
I know who he is, and what his potential was.

But.. ask for a trade? He's in no position to do so...

They'll get him out there... when they feel he's best ready to play within our system.
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Defensive systems are not rocket science once a player gets close to the NHL. Timmins has been exposed to all types and forms of hockey systems since he has played high levels throughout his career.

At this point, he has to want to prove himself, especially since two NHL teams have given up on him. He knows he has to play to prove anything. I would not rule out him wanting for our Leafs to trade him some place they will allow him to play, especially since our Leafs have not given him a chance with all the injuries on D.

Maybe I'm just too anxious to see him play myself!!! ;)
 
We all want to see him in but you couldn’t take Hollowell out of the lineup after the San Jose game. The kid was playing good.

Now after the Tampa Bay game, where he didn’t really do much (positive or negative), you can insert Timmins in the lineup for him.
 
Al14 said:
Defensive systems are not rocket science once a player gets close to the NHL. Timmins has been exposed to all types and forms of hockey systems since he has played high levels throughout his career.

At this point, he has to want to prove himself, especially since two NHL teams have given up on him. He knows he has to play to prove anything. I would not rule out him wanting for our Leafs to trade him some place they will allow him to play, especially since our Leafs have not given him a chance with all the injuries on D.

Maybe I'm just too anxious to see him play myself!!! ;)
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He couldn't solidify a spot, on the second worst defensive team in the NHL, over the past two years. He's a project, that needs work. Sure, he's been exposed to defensive systems, and it hasn't worked out for him. I get that he wants to prove himself in games... but first, he has to prove himself in practices... prove that he's getting what he is currently being taught.

That being said... it looks like he is probably going to get a game.

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Stringer Bell said:
The only push back I'll say to this is that the general sentiment around him from people who were actually closer to the game (AHL coaches, NHL management etc), was that he improved leaps and bounds every year. It was his skating that might ultimately end up holding him back...but that they wouldn't count him out on improving it considering he was making it a clear point in trying to.

He was a late bloomer and didn't have the same trajectory other players had.

Where he was when we traded him wasn't impressive at a quick glance, but it was incredibly impressive when you considered where he was only a short time earlier.

In 2013-2014 he was an 18-19 year old playing in the OJHL putting up only 43 oints in 51 games. Many NHL drafted players would have been playing in the OHL at 16.

Only two years later in the 2015-2016 season he had a point per game stint in the OHL at 20-21 as an OHL overager. While not impressive, a big leap from where he was in 2013-2014. I know many who put up numbers like Marchment did in the OJHL at a younger age who no matter how much time they were given would never have been good enough to play in the OHL. They would get called up and look lost. Big improvement.

Only 1 year after that he puts up 14 goals and 20 points in 35 games in the ECHL a men's pro league. Again, not impressive generally but a big improvement.

Only one year later he puts up 9 points in 20 games in the AHL playoffs to help lead the Marlies to a calder cup.

Only two years after that he is putting up 13 goals in 24 games and 18 points for the Marlies, an over 40 goal pace.

He was never really stagnant. Started his growth very late but from then on he was getting better every year. He was still a longshot. But I wouldn't have been adverse to hanging on to him a little longer. The idea of people who look at his stats and say that AHL production is nothing...until he became stagnant I would not look at it like that. I would have assumed the next year would be better.
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I think you're exaggerating how much improvement he saw from year to year. He put up nearly identical AHL production in 2017-2018 and 2018-2019 in the regular season and playoffs, and the only real difference in 2019-2020 was that he started off on a hot streak and rode a SH% much higher than normal. That started to normalize with Florida's AHL affiliate before the pandemic shut things down, and the next year wasn't much better when he rotated between 4th liner and healthy scratch.

And even if we go by the idea that he was improving year to year, if a prospect is 25, UFA in a year, and putting up mediocre AHL numbers, the team is unlikely to extract much surplus value even if he ever figures it out anyway. He hit UFA status before doing anything of note in the NHL.
 
Cap'n Flavour said:
Well you can because Hollowell has been terribad (like dead last by a mile in pretty much every statistic). He's not an NHL defenseman. Hopefully Timmins shows a bit more.
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I thought he's been decent enough with all the injuries. 2 assists, +3 in a very sheltered role. I was expecting him to he like -6 lol.

Pretty much in the stretch of 6 games with essentially the Marlies defence we've allowed only 12 goals, 4 of which against Tampa Saturday.
 
TMLAM34 said:
I wonder when Timmins is going to get into some game action.
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He's probably hurt again already :) j/k I remember thinking the guy looked so talented in his draft year but maybe a little light in the ass to be bringing all that to the show. He was supposed to be 180lbs but he looked a lot skinnier to me. Then he beefed up at exactly the rate you would hope if you had drafted him. It looked like a crazy steal in his D+1 and then he gets hurt, and you're thinking, its just an ankle. But again, and again and again.

I don't know what he has left. Major concussion and major knee. He hasn't played enough games to show he can handle contact or that he can skate like he did pre-injury. Will he become gun shy of contact after being blown up twice? He has played like 100 games in the last 4 years. Its like trading for a lottery ticket made out of egg shells.

But... he cost very little to acquire, and the injuries are mostly unconnected (except WTF is "upper body"? ) so maybe there is something to hope for. Reilly and Galchenyuk survive well after blown knees and Crosby loses most of 3 seasons in a row due to concussions and yet is still mostly Crosby. Maybe major isn't the end of the road. I expect nothing but I will be following every minute he plays hoping he has some luck with the injuries. It would be something if he could stay healthy for the rest of the year. I really want to see if he still has what made him special.
 
BertCorbeau said:
How many people have been clamouring for a big shot RHD on the PP?

I mean it's the second unit but it's a start
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Sometimes a reclamation project pans out; With our D, roll the dice I say.
 
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