Confirmed with Link: [ARI/TOR] Conor Timmins to Toronto for Curtis Douglas

[Jeffrey Pedler]

Muzzin
Ritchie
Simmonds
Clifford
Bush
NAK
Foligno

Shall I go on? Where has Dubas ever stayed away from grit? Or are you going to just use the Marchment trade which ended up being bad, bit at the time was nothing for nothing.

Thank you! It's as if some fans don't see that we've brought in so much grit and size over Dubas tenure. For many years we were in the top half of the league in terms of height and weight.

Muzzin- Funny how he’s viewed as a physical shutdown guy in Toronto. When he was on an actual Stanley Cup winning team he was considered more an offensive guy.

Ritchie, Foligno, Clifford, Simmonds- Another big part of the problem is that when he does acquire physical players they don’t fit in and have success here. Ritchie and Foligno in particular have played better since leaving. We had our best game of the playoffs last season when Simmonds and Clifford played together. Then they never played together again.

I don’t know who Bush is and Kubel is not physical.

The problem with the Marchment trade is that a good number of us knew it was a bad trade from the beginning. How Dubas could possibly look at Marchment and Malgin side by side and conclude that Malgin would be more valuable to this team is mind boggling. Just an awful example of player evaluation.

Still doesn't change the fact that Dubas has brought in size and grit. You can't predict chemistry when signing, drafting or trading for a a player.

 

[kb]

Lmao coyotes fans are literally saying he aint physcial at all and doesn't finish his checks.

Stop with the excuses. This team is soft af. Bunch of pansies skating on ice thanks to Dubas and Co.

And Douglas watches his own goalie get run and injured while being the closest Marlie to the offending opponent, and what does he do?

He goes straight to the ref whining while his 5'9" smurf teammates are the ones making a beeline for the guy.

Stop making excuses for the guy. He literally has one job to do and he was completely unwilling to do it, and even worse - didn't back up the ones who did HIS job.

 

[Knies iT]

And Douglas watches his own goalie get run and injured while being the closest Marlie to the offending opponent, and what does he do?

He goes straight to the ref whining while his 5'9" smurf teammates are the ones making a beeline for the guy.

Stop making excuses for the guy. He literally has one job to do and he was completely unwilling to do it, and even worse - didn't back up the ones who did HIS job.

nice edit. You are one of the most emotional posters on this site I swear.

Definitely an interesting description of events. It's funny how this one play has been repeated ITT half a dozen times by people who clearly didn't even watch that game.



If that one response makes him a "flat out p*ssy" as your unedited post said, then you must think this Leaf team is a complete joke.

He has fought Sabourin, Devane, and Greer who are three of the top enforcers in the AHL and is pacing for over 120PIM. You can say he's a low level prospect but to act like he's soft is a joke.

 

[Its not your fault]

Line of succession has been taken care of then when Holl leaves to get paid in Free Agency this off-season.

Best we Max our Holl time if not Owell.

 

[Fogelhund]

nice edit. You are one of the most emotional posters on this site I swear.

Definitely an interesting description of events. It's funny how this one play has been repeated ITT half a dozen times by people who clearly didn't even watch that game.



If that one response makes him a "flat out p*ssy" as your unedited post said, then you must think this Leaf team is a complete joke.

He has fought Sabourin, Devane, and Greer who are three of the top enforcers in the AHL and is pacing for over 120PIM. You can say he's a low level prospect but to act like he's soft is a joke.

I guess good for him for fighting staged enforcer fights, but failing to stand up for teammates when needed?

 

[banks]

Can't believe this guy hasn't gotten into a game yet. What's taking so long?

 

[Fogelhund]

Can't believe this guy hasn't gotten into a game yet. What's taking so long?

Ya, I don’t know what Douglas hasn’t played a game for Tucson either.


Oh, you mean Timmins. There have been a few tweets suggesting that our coaching staff was spending extra time working with him. It seems as though they are teaching him our systems, and what is needed from him. When they think he’s ready, he’ll draw in. Seems he’s not ready yet.

 

[Magic Man]

Can't believe this guy hasn't gotten into a game yet. What's taking so long?

The Leafs are on a 5 game win streak with these defenseman since Rielly went down. They're starting to pull away from the pack. The defense has been pretty good in that span. I think once you see them lose a game he'll get the next one.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Ya, I don’t know what Douglas hasn’t played a game for Tucson either.


Oh, you mean Timmins. There have been a few tweets suggesting that our coaching staff was spending extra time working with him. It seems as though they are teaching him our systems, and what is needed from him. When they think he’s ready, he’ll draw in. Seems he’s not ready yet.

Well plus we have been on a roll, not really much need to take out Mac or Mete when things are going well and everybody is gelling.

 

[Pebble live]

Thank you! It's as if some fans don't see that we've brought in so much grit and size over Dubas tenure. For many years we were in the top half of the league in terms of height and weight.


Still doesn't change the fact that Dubas has brought in size and grit. You can't predict chemistry when signing, drafting or trading for a a player.

The issue isn't bringing in size and grit. He doesn't know how to target it. The grit he brings in is either too banged up to contribute or just not good enough to stick in the line up.

He has not been able to find this team grit where its made a lasting impact. Muzzin? maybe. But as another poster pointed out that was not a huge part of his game in LA. He did his best in Toronto to add it to the team because of the lack of it. His body quite literally broke down because of it.

Marchment is just a good example of Dubas letting go of grit and toughness that can actually play. Him and the pro scouts can't seem to find it. Not many teams can. It's exactly why you don't trade it away for a Denis f***ing Malgin type player when you have 20 of those guys in your system already.

If you can't see that Dubas and his team struggle to identify the grit and toughness this team needs then you're just as blind as the people in here saying Dubas has brought in zero grit.

 

[Dekes For Days]

He has not been able to find this team grit where its made a lasting impact. Muzzin? maybe. But as another poster pointed out that was not a huge part of his game in LA. He did his best in Toronto to add it to the team because of the lack of it. His body quite literally broke down because of it.
Marchment is just a good example of Dubas letting go of grit and toughness that can actually play.

Lol, what? Muzzin is the very definition of "grit", and he had a long-term, top-tier impact for us. And he was just as physical and gritty in LA. Also his injury has nothing to do with that.
Marchment wasn't "grit and toughness that could actually play". He was a mid-tier AHLer who couldn't crack two different NHL teams in his mid-20s.
It would seem that you're the one prioritizing the flashy, entertaining forms of grit and toughness over the "grit and toughness this team needs".

 

[Da Cool Rula]

I guess good for him for fighting staged enforcer fights, but failing to stand up for teammates when needed?

I like the deal and the risk/reqard Timmons. Douglas i take it or leave it. Not going to say qere losing anything much.
As for this episode It's like he stood there then waited for his little teammates to go after the guy before coming in behind them.
Don't know what to say. Its like he didn't know what to do.
Be interesting to see if this was just one off though.

 

[Mad hatter]

I like the deal and the risk/reqard Timmons. Douglas i take it or leave it. Not going to say qere losing anything much.
As for this episode It's like he stood there then waited for his little teammates to go after the guy before coming in behind them.
Don't know what to say. Its like he didn't know what to do.
Be interesting to see if this was just one off though.

If he didn’t know what was excepted of him then there then that says it all imho.

 

[Da Cool Rula]

If he didn’t know what was excepted of him then there then that says it all imho.

Yeah all I'm saying is he looked lost. Its almost like he's not a fighter/enforcer by nature. But does it if he has to. IE ; staged fights.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

Can't wait until we get a new GM so trades can be evaluated based on the hockey ability of those involved in the trade, rather than having people mould their opinions around how tall the guys in the trade are, or based on who made the trade.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Can't wait until we get a new GM so trades can be evaluated based on the hockey ability of those involved in the trade, rather than having people mould their opinions around how tall the guys in the trade are, or based on who made the trade.

If you think a new GM will solve this then I have a cousin who's a prince in Nigeria wanting to talk to you about your cars extended warranty.

 

[Prominence]

People forget marchment’s games in toronto. He was not good. Some look at his high point totals and think that he could have done the same if he was not traded. This is far from the truth. He played at a slow pace and was always behind the play. He didn’t fit the system. It’s unfortunate that he was traded for malgin, but his trade value was minimal as he played few nhl games. Even if he has grit, it wouldn’t matter unless marner and matthews also show this grit. That’s the problem with this team. They have to set the intensity, not some guy with less seniority and who would most likely play in the bottom six if he was not traded. Also, florida chose not to resign him.

 

[The Podium]

People forget marchment’s games in toronto. He was not good, at least for this system. Some look at his high point totals and think that he could have done the same if he was not traded. This is far from the truth. He played at a slow pace and was always behind the play.

His high point totals were carried by a 12 points in 4 game stretch. Marchment really isn’t a very good offensive player. We could use his size and physicality, but last season was an outlier.

 

[nuck]

People forget marchment’s games in toronto. He was not good. Some look at his high point totals and think that he could have done the same if he was not traded. This is far from the truth. He played at a slow pace and was always behind the play. He didn’t fit the system. It’s unfortunate that he was traded for malgin, but his trade value was minimal as he played few nhl games. Even if he has grit, it wouldn’t matter unless marner and matthews also show this grit. That’s the problem with this team. They have to set the intensity, not some guy with less seniority and who would most likely play in the bottom six if he was not traded. Also, florida chose not to resign him.

As we watch Nick Ritchie return to his historical production as soon as he leaves TO, does anyone think he would do that if he came back? Players have to be with a club and a coach with a system that gives them a chance to succeed. Everyone doesn't fit everywhere, especially if you don't have big skills and that to me is probably both those guys.

I don't want Ritchie back and not Marchment either at $4.5M. I do think trading him was a deal for the sake of a deal because there is no way KD was thinking "yeah, all we need is a Malgin type player to get over the hump." He was just throwing stuff out to see what sticks, but MM wasn't a hot commodity at the time and it still took him another year to break out.

I believe Marchment can do more than he has for the Stars so far though. He led Florida in pp60 on a pretty potent club which is hard to fluke. Seems weird his hits have been cut in half in Dallas which is more likely a coaching decision than his own. Good for him to seize the day. And next year Bunting will make us forget all about Marchment

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Wonder what the overlap of whiny posters crying about Marchment (and ritchie now apparently, lol oh no a 30 point penalty taking machine!) being traded and the ones who want to move Knies +1st for expiring assets or Chycryn etc.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Nah I bring up KNies an my prospect pools instead of trading 1sts like duby think

 

[kb]

I guess good for him for fighting staged enforcer fights, but failing to stand up for teammates when needed?

Yup. Pretty much his only job is to stand up for his teammates. He shirked it.

But I'm too emotional.

 

[Hellcat]

When is Connor "Orr" gonna play?

 

[Coaches Coroner]

If you think a new GM will solve this then I have a cousin who's a prince in Nigeria wanting to talk to you about your cars extended warranty.

I'm more interested in the inheritance the good Prince needs $10,000 up front to pay a fee to gain access to it. That's the one I'm going to make my bank on.

 

[Stephen]

People forget marchment’s games in toronto. He was not good. Some look at his high point totals and think that he could have done the same if he was not traded. This is far from the truth. He played at a slow pace and was always behind the play. He didn’t fit the system. It’s unfortunate that he was traded for malgin, but his trade value was minimal as he played few nhl games. Even if he has grit, it wouldn’t matter unless marner and matthews also show this grit. That’s the problem with this team. They have to set the intensity, not some guy with less seniority and who would most likely play in the bottom six if he was not traded. Also, florida chose not to resign him.

Mason Marchment played 4 games for Toronto totaling 20 minutes of play, averaging less than 7 minutes in each game which works out to something like 2 shifts per period. It's not like they brought him up with any real intention of a real promotion.

Mason Marchment 2019-20 Stats per Game - NHL - ESPN

The 2019-20 NHL season stats per game for Mason Marchment of the Dallas Stars on ESPN. Includes full stats, per opponent, for regular and postseason.

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