Are you feeling more or less optimistic about the leafs future since Dubas took over?

[All Mod Cons]

The cap is not going down at all. Losses will come out of escrow.

Hyman (2.25) - Matthews (11.65) - Marner (10.9)
Mikyehev (???) - Tavares (11) - Nylander (6.95)
Johnsson (3.4) - Kerfoot (3.5) - Kapanen (3.2)
????????????? - Engvall (1.25) - ?????????????

Rielly (5) - Lehtonen (0.9)
Muzzin (5.6) - Holl (2)
Dermott (???) - Sandin (0.9)

Andersen (5)
Campbell (1.65)

Kessel retention (1.2)

So actually, with no moves and a flat cap, we have 5.15m to sign Dermott, Mikyehev, and two 4th liners.

You want a team in an actual situation, look no further than Tampa.

My God, that defence.

 

[ACC1224]

That article funny enough was just recently discussed in the Free Agency thread.

The author doesnt seem to understand how LTIR works, so im not sure id take him as an authority on any cap Leafs issues. It makes zero sense acquiring any new ltir contracts beacuse it doesnt actually save the Leafs anything....

You’d think someone at TSN would have checked the authors work. Probably many here who could apply for the job.

 

[Gabriel426]

The amount of Leafs fans that would make excuses for Gardiner (very similar to Dubas) was staggering

Yep. I think everyone deserves praises and criticisms. Players, Coaches and GMs, will make mistakes no matter how great they are, and they will also make great moves no matter how poor they are. Didn’t Marincin scored an Orr like goal a few months ago. It was a great goal and he deserves credits for that but that moment doesn’t make him a partner for Reilly.
There are moves that Dubas done well, like Muzzin trade and his extension, or AJ and Kap extensions or getting Euro UFAs to come....but he didn’t do well in the Phil trade and the Kadri trade. As for extending the big three, I have a feelings those three want to stick it to the team or Babs. Lou didn’t even bother extending Willie and he had a whole year to do it.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Arizona Coyotes, Toronto Maple Leafs are the NHL teams that could face salary-cap hell in 2020-21.

According to Frank Seravalli at TSN

Expect the Leafs to hunt for more LTIR contracts

Every penny will count for the Leafs, who will be feeling the cap crunch this off-season with hockey’s loss of revenue from the COVID-19 pandemic likely to keep the cap flat at $81.5 million.

Now, with Horton and Clarkson mercifully sliding into the sunset, the Leafs will likely be on the hunt for replacement LTIR contracts to enjoy the same cap benefits.

Full Story: Expect the Toronto Maple Leafs to hunt for more LTIR contracts - TSN.ca

We are absolutely fine at flat cap. That guy is a loser. I think he fantasizes about McDavid. Philly fan. Who cares what that waste of skin thinks. I have never heard him say anything smart. Everything has a hint of agenda with that guy too.

Where is our trouble at 81,500,000? Lots of other teams are up against it but we are all signed up except Dermott and Mikheyev. That guy is wrong.

 

[Dekes For Days]

My God, that defence.

If Lehtonen can transfer over well, likely better than this year's defense, which even while massively injured, was league-average and better than any other year under this core. If the cap is remaining flat, many other teams face more difficult losses and team composition issues.

 

[All Mod Cons]

If Lehtonen can transfer over well, likely better than this year's defense, which even while massively injured, was league-average and better than any other year under this core. If the cap is remaining flat, many other teams face more difficult losses and team composition issues.

I personally don't think that defense will hold up very well, especially against the contending teams. It's asking an awful lot of Lehtonen as well as Sandin sliding over. I assume Rielly and Muzzin play 28 mins a night PPing (in Rielly's case) and Pking. A PK of Muzzin, Rielly, Holl and a warm body?

 

[Dekes For Days]

It's asking an awful lot of Lehtonen as well as Sandin sliding over.

Well, once again, this is with no moves. I don't know how likely that is, or how they would slot in; was mainly showing Mess he was wrong in his cap calculations, and we aren't in the dire situation he claims.

Lehtonen is 26 and in his prime and was great in the KHL; By all accounts, he's fully capable of playing decent minutes in the NHL. Sandin showed he was capable of at least a bottom pairing role. I don't know who will play right side, but apparently Lehtonen, Dermott, and Sandin are all comfortable switching over.

I assume Rielly and Muzzin play 28 mins a night PPing (in Rielly's case) and Pking. A PK of Muzzin, Rielly, Holl and a warm body?

In this scenario, I suspect 2 of Rielly, Lehtonen, and Sandin would get PP, while Rielly, Muzzin, Dermott, and Holl would get PK.

 

[rent free]

We are absolutely fine at flat cap. That guy is a loser. I think he fantasizes about McDavid. Philly fan. Who cares what that waste of skin thinks. I have never heard him say anything smart. Everything has a hint of agenda with that guy too.

Where is our trouble at 81,500,000? Lots of other teams are up against it but we are all signed up except Dermott and Mikheyev. That guy is wrong.

so much hostility over frank seravalli. oh my

 

[kb]

Any major salary cap reduction will be likely paired with a rollback of contracts. The Leafs are hardly the only team facing cap issues at the moment either

Tampa is in worse shape.....

 

[kb]

Wow. How did the "more" votes get up to 62.1%??!!

I have a feeling that some people employed their fake accounts.

Or the vote represents people think he did a good job and feel better moving forward?

It's not a conspiracy theory.

 

[ACC1224]

Tampa is in worse shape.....

Well that’s a relief.

 

[kb]

Well that’s a relief.

Cap relief?

In all seriousness, it's not just the Leafs with cap issues for next season. I don't care how the other teams fix theirs, I only care about the Leafs.

 

[ACC1224]

Cap relief?

In all seriousness, it's not just the Leafs with cap issues for next season. I don't care how the other teams fix theirs, I only care about the Leafs.

I’m with you could not care less about Tampa’s cap.
It really has nothing to do with Dubas’ performance

 

[Wafflewhipper]

so much hostility over frank seravalli. oh my

Yep lol. He’s a Leaf hater. So yeah definitely the enemy

 

[Dekes For Days]

I’m with you could not care less about Tampa’s cap.
It really has nothing to do with Dubas’ performance

It does when people repeatedly make false claims that we are in cap hell, or false claims that we will never be able to compete with a division rival like Tampa due to their supposedly better cap management, or false suggestions or implications that we are the only team to be in this situation, or false suggestions that Dubas is to blame for our available cap space instead of the reality of a league-wide unforeseen situation caused by a global pandemic.

Looking around the league can help someone realize what is reasonable to expect from a GM or team situation, instead of expecting everything ever to turn out 100% perfectly at all times regardless of context or be considered a failure.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

I love that in a thread about ones confidence level in Dubas body of work discussion since taking over, that so many of his moves end with "even though it didn't work out" as the conclusion, that it doesn't change some peoples impression that everything is going great, except for all the missteps and bad endings.

Willy worked out on that contract.
Muzzin worked on that contract
Drafted a historical ohl sniper in Robertson at 53rd barely made the draft,one of the younger players in the Ohl, that worked out.
Mikheyev,that worked out
Sandin at 29, that worked out
Took Tavares as Ufa,that worked out.
Spezza for $700,000, that worked out
Got a quality back up and toughness for a couple picks and 4th liner,that worked out ok too.
Has Dermott/Mikheyev in a favourable bargaining positions coming in to Rfagency. That worked out.
Seems to be able to recruit every top European free agent on Elc’s. That works out.
Nurtured Holl up.
Brooks is another he nurtured along and almost ready.
Shows patience
Shows compassion.
Exhibits trust
Shows respect to players.
I’m just going to start harping on how great he drafts since he nailed Sandin and Robertson the last two drafts and never shut up about it i guess. Thats all it is on a couple errors he’s made is moaning with no regard for anything he has done.
Its just not objective and definitely kind of annoying that a few keep harping on a couple bad deals. His body of work is really solid.

Dubas is a god at drafting. I can’t reiterate it enough, a complete god. How did teams pass on two draft gems and he gets them in a row!
Amazing kreskin. Looks like him too lol

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Wow. How did the "more" votes get up to 62.1%??!!

I have a feeling that some people employed their fake accounts.

I am wondering what the hell is wrong with the other 38%. Very small minority that they are

 

[Wafflewhipper]

That article funny enough was just recently discussed in the Free Agency thread.

The author doesnt seem to understand how LTIR works, so im not sure id take him as an authority on any cap Leafs issues. It makes zero sense acquiring any new ltir contracts beacuse it doesnt actually save the Leafs anything....

That guy knows nothing. Never heard a word of hockey intelligence ever come out of him. A real Leaf hater as matter of fact. He a Philly fan, i hope they are enjoying that kevin Hayes contract ha. Hope they have fun signing Carter Hart and Niskanen. That Voracek contract too lol

 

[Wafflewhipper]

The amount of Leafs fans that would make excuses for Gardiner (very similar to Dubas) was staggering

Why whats Dubas’s Corsi?

 

[Gabriel426]

It does when people repeatedly make false claims that we are in cap hell, or false claims that we will never be able to compete with a division rival like Tampa due to their supposedly better cap management, or false suggestions or implications that we are the only team to be in this situation, or false suggestions that Dubas is to blame for our available cap space instead of the reality of a league-wide unforeseen situation caused by a global pandemic.

Looking around the league can help someone realize what is reasonable to expect from a GM or team situation, instead of expecting everything ever to turn out 100% perfectly at all times regardless of context or be considered a failure.

At least to me, Cap hell does not mean spending to the Cap as all good teams do, Cap hell is when teams got contract(s) that they cannot trade away. The Leafs was in Cap Hell this year bc they needed to trade away a 1st to get Marleau and his contract away. I don’t think they are in CapHell for the next few years as I don’t see any of their contracts are untradable and need to send a 1st just so another team would take it.

 

[deletethis]

With a $81.5M cap, there is $4.5M available to re-sign Dermott and Mikheyev, source 3 more forwards (maybe re-signing RFAs Gauthier and Malgin), source 2 right side defenseman including at least one top 4. The Leafs aren't the only team in this type of squeeze but something major will have to give up front to make the numbers work.

 

[deletethis]

At least to me, Cap hell does not mean spending to the Cap as all good teams do, Cap hell is when teams got contract(s) that they cannot trade away. The Leafs was in Cap Hell this year bc they needed to trade away a 1st to get Marleau and his contract away. I don’t think they are in CapHell for the next few years as I don’t see any of their contracts are untradable and need to send a 1st just so another team would take it.

To me Cap Hell is being forced to compromise heavily with the composition of your team to comply. If you're using 3rd pairing fodder on your 1st and 2nd defense pairings, that would be an example of an unfortunate compromise. If you're forced to go full league minimum across the board on your 3rd pairings, 4th line and backup goaltending, you're probably compromised. If you're forced to substantially downgrade from a positive commodity at a key position, you're probably in cap hell.

 

[Dekes For Days]

With a $81.5M cap, there is $4.5M available to re-sign Dermott and Mikheyev, source 3 more forwards (maybe re-signing RFAs Gauthier and Malgin), source 2 right side defenseman including at least one top 4. The Leafs aren't the only team in this type of squeeze but something major will have to give up front to make the numbers work.

As I showed on the previous page, the Leafs have 5.15m to sign Dermott, Mikyehev, and two 4th liners, without any moves.

 

[ACC1224]

At least to me, Cap hell does not mean spending to the Cap as all good teams do, Cap hell is when teams got contract(s) that they cannot trade away. The Leafs was in Cap Hell this year bc they needed to trade away a 1st to get Marleau and his contract away. I don’t think they are in CapHell for the next few years as I don’t see any of their contracts are untradable and need to send a 1st just so another team would take it.

I think it's more the distribution of the cap that's the issue not that they spend to the cap.

 

[deletethis]

Start mapping out the parade route:

Left side: Rielly, Muzzin, Dermott; Right side: Holl, Sandin, Liljegren