Rumor: Cam Robinson - Tuch Availability

[Fjordsen]

Even if Tuch told Adams he wouldn't renew his contract in a year and a half, what's the point of trading Tuch at TDL now? He can't even sign an extension with a new team, plus there's a much better chance of making a hockey deal with more teams in the summer than there is now. We don't need prospects, picks, Geekie, etc.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Hopefully this topic doesn't get locked because some people refuse to close their eyes and cover their ears

Huh. I love Tuch’s enthusiasm for Buffalo and his scoring touch, dunno if I love the rest of his game enough where he’s untouchable for the right price, but that’s also only if he’s ok with moving along.

The way I see it, we could potentially move him for a year and change and make it clear we’d love to re-sign him as a free agent. You risk him falling in love with somewhere new, but eh, he knows Buffalo. If the team makes strides having him back is just a bigger boost, best of both worlds. I’d take that risk.

No clue what I’d want though- Perbix+ a lot. Or Cernak. Like, the problem is we want roster players, and playoff teams obviously don’t trade those. A 3 way would maybe work, but Adams is too conservative and uncreative for that.

 

[Breakers]

This dude ISNT and insider

 

[Viqsi]

Huh. I love Tuch’s enthusiasm for Buffalo and his scoring touch, dunno if I love the rest of his game enough where he’s untouchable for the right price, but that’s also only if he’s ok with moving along.

The way I see it, we could potentially move him for a year and change and make it clear we’d love to re-sign him as a free agent. You risk him falling in love with somewhere new, but eh, he knows Buffalo. If the team makes strides having him back is just a bigger boost, best of both worlds. I’d take that risk.

No clue what I’d want though- Perbix+ a lot. Or Cernak. Like, the problem is we want roster players, and playoff teams obviously don’t trade those. A 3 way would maybe work, but Adams is too conservative and uncreative for that.

I don't think a 3 way would work simply because my understanding is Buffalo has been searching for a "futures for good roster player" type deal for a while now (we have too) and none that work have been forthcoming, so I don't see that changing just because Tampa starts asking (what with their shallower pool and even fewer available picks).

Or rather, it could work, but it requires preconditions such that it'd immediately render itself pointless 'cause Buffalo could then just cut out the middleman.

 

[Hodge]

Guentzel-Point-Kucherov
Hagel-Cirelli-Tuch

Bottom six is a mess but there's nothing stopping Cooper from just playing each of those lines 20+ minutes a night in the playoffs.

 

[Beerz]

I thought everyone understood the Eichel trade combined with other moves around that time like Reinhart for Levi meant Buffalo was rebuilding the rebuild. Everything since 2021 needs to be judged as rebuild 2.0 rather than a continuation of the previous decade.

If Buffalo was capable of signing or trading for stars in their late 20s then the case for keeping Tuch is a lot stronger. Unfortunately it sounds like they tried to do that with Necas and Ehlers but those players didn't want to sign long term contracts. Maybe they'll trade for Pettersson before his NTC kicks in.

Yes. The Eichel trade signified a new rebuild... that made Reinhart not willing to re-sign. We will be coming up on 4 years of that rebuild... the fan base has lost patience ... it is time to move young players for more established players... not other way around.
It is why Adams stated the time to win is now this offseason after years of preaching patience. He and Pegula know the fanbase isn't going to tolerate this Groundhog day of doing the same thing over and over again.

If it comes to it next year and Tuch isn't willing to sign then yes he will be moved if Sabres are out of PO race..and yes it will be for futures...and yes it will be for less than today.
That bridge will be crossed when the time comes...but right now there is zero reason to move Alex Tuch outside of an overpayment for legitimate NHL players. Zero.

 

[Beerz]

I'm not even saying your ask is wrong or unjustified. I'm saying "this is not the time and place"

No one in the history of ever who was trying to win a Cup has traded for a Tuch at the TDL and sacrificed their 2C or top 4D. You would kill your Cup run before it ever got starter. Again, either Adams needs to hang up the phone (and he's not) or he needs to pick a more appropriate time to trade Tuch.

Tell me it makes sense to trade Danny Briere for Simon Gagne in March 2006/2007 and I'll tell you it makes sense to do Cirelli for Tuch in March 2025

If you make that trade, you don't do it right before the damn playoffs


Edit: bad example used to make bigger point. Don't over think it please

It doesn't make sense.

But that is the ask for when Tampa comes knocking.

All it means is there is no trade to be had here.

 

[Hodge]

Yes. The Eichel trade signified a new rebuild... that made Reinhart not willing to re-sign. We will be coming up on 4 years of that rebuild... the fan base has lost patience ... it is time to move young players for more established players... not other way around.
It is why Adams stated the time to win is now this offseason after years of preaching patience. He and Pegula know the fanbase isn't going to tolerate this Groundhog day of doing the same thing over and over again.

If it comes to it next year and Tuch isn't willing to sign then yes he will be moved if Sabres are out of PO race..and yes it will be for futures...and yes it will be for less than today.
That bridge will be crossed when the time comes...but right now there is zero reason to move Alex Tuch outside of an overpayment for legitimate NHL players. Zero.

The reason to move Tuch outside of an overpayment for legit NHLers is obvious: you might be able to get a Conor Geekie or Brandt Clarke by trading two playoff runs of him at a bargain cap hit vs. the more standard deadline rental return of late 1st, mediocre prospect and another pick if you wait until next year and find out he doesn't want to sign.

Buffalo doesn't even have to keep Geekie. He was the centerpiece of a Sergachev trade so it's clear the league values him. Maybe the Canucks are willing to trade Pettersson for Geekie and Cozens or Geekie and Byram at the draft.

 

[Weltschmerz]

I completely agree but that vet doesn't need to be Tuch. It can just as easily be Zucker and/or other UFA signings like him. They'll still be led by Thompson who's also significantly older than a lot of these guys.

That's easier said than done, they couldn't attract any good UFAs during the flat cap area, now with everyone having cap space it seems even less likely. Zucker they only got because noone else wanted him and because of his connection to guess who Tuch from minny times.
They also have a hard time trading for good players as everyone with trade protection has them on their list.

Edit: and Conor Geekie is of little interest, they have one of the top AHL teams full with young forward prospects.

 

[Beerz]

The reason to move Tuch outside of an overpayment for legit NHLers is obvious: you might be able to get a Conor Geekie or Brandt Clarke by trading two playoff runs of him at a bargain cap hit vs. the more standard deadline rental return of late 1st, mediocre prospect and another pick if you wait until next year and find out he doesn't want to sign.

Buffalo doesn't even have to keep Geekie. He was the centerpiece of a Sergachev trade so it's clear the league values him. Maybe the Canucks are willing to trade Pettersson for Geekie and Cozens or Geekie and Byram at the draft.

Sergachev

The reason to move Tuch outside of an overpayment for legit NHLers is obvious: you might be able to get a Conor Geekie or Brandt Clarke by trading two playoff runs of him at a bargain cap hit vs. the more standard deadline rental return of late 1st, mediocre prospect and another pick if you wait until next year and find out he doesn't want to sign.

Buffalo doesn't even have to keep Geekie. He was the centerpiece of a Sergachev trade so it's clear the league values him. Maybe the Canucks are willing to trade Pettersson for Geekie and Cozens or Geekie and Byram at the draft.

No it showed Tampa valued Geekie in terms of getting out from Sergachevs contract.

Vancouver can keep Pettersson.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

I don't think a 3 way would work simply because my understanding is Buffalo has been searching for a "futures for good roster player" type deal for a while now (we have too) and none that work have been forthcoming, so I don't see that changing just because Tampa starts asking (what with their shallower pool and even fewer available picks).

Or rather, it could work, but it requires preconditions such that it'd immediately render itself pointless 'cause Buffalo could then just cut out the middleman.

Ya, I can’t even math out a possibility- like Tuch leaving, Perbix to Buffalo, all of TB’s picks and prospects to.. Utah, who sends Schmaltz to Buffalo and somethin small to TB?

Just a rough idea of how it might make sense if TB sends a more minor roster player, but as I type it out- feels complicated, would be easier to keep Tuch happy and trade some picks for a guy. We’ll draft high again, hooray, maybe just find a partner who wants your first rounder.

 

[Rschmitz]

Perhaps some people would actually frame it in the way that it’s presented, which is the teams want him not that he’s being shopped. Big difference difference but hey, that sort of nuance seems to get lost on people.

The tweet that speaks for itself. Are people incapable of determining for themselves what it says?

 

[Viqsi]

The tweet that speaks for itself. Are people incapable of determining for themselves what it says?

Given that you're treating it as a new development, apparently the answer to that question is "yes".

 

[Rschmitz]

This dude ISNT and insider

Which dude? Several guys have said the same thing

 

[Baksfamous112]

Adams is absolutely terrified of losing another trade.

Like the Mittlestadt for Byram one?

 

[Fatass]

Of course other GMs are calling to see which players on a struggling team are available. The cost for Tuch would be extremely high.

Yeah and this can be said about 95% of NHL players.. Pagnotta isn't revealing anything that isn't common sense.

What exactly are we suppose to do with this information?

if I’m a Buffalo fan, I’m hoping like heck some team overpays to get Tuch. Clearly the Sabres are severely underperforming so GMs are phoning to see what will shake loose. But Tuch obviously isn’t one of those guys, so the cost to acquire him would be very very high. And if it did happen Sabre fans would be excited with the return.

 

[Ace]

If another team was willing to trade a roster player for prospects, wouldn’t they prefer Buffalos?

If Buffalo had a GM capable of making trades and an owner willing to increase payroll…a lot of things that make sense would happen in Buffalo.

They don’t have those things.

None of which changes the fact that they aren’t trading Alex Tuch without an offer that can’t be refused of NHL players with contract term or RFA rights. I don’t need the 4th period to tell me teams are calling on Tuch…because it’s a nothing statement. It leaves out the statements from Buffalo’s side about what it will take to even start a dialogue. And that’s not picks or prospects. Tuch has another year. He’s not getting moved to Tampa who can’t and won’t trade what it would take. This thread is a waste of time.

Which…won’t matter to the person who made it clearly…so he’ll just have to figure it out on Friday

 

[Rschmitz]

Given that you're treating it as a new development, apparently the answer to that question is "yes".

Again, posting tweets of insiders saying that there is noise around Tuch is as valid or a trade rumor as it gets. I’m not treating it like anything, I am posting smoke for a potential trade. It’s not my fault that some of you need to crawl into your safe space upon reading it.

 

[Viqsi]

Again, posting tweets of insiders saying that there is noise around Tuch is as valid or a trade rumor as it gets. I’m not treating it like anything, if posting smoke for a potential trade. It’s not my fault that some of you need to crawl into your safe space upon reading it.

If that noise is literally unchanged since early last month, it's not news.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInTampa]

It doesn't make sense.

But that is the ask for when Tampa comes knocking.

All it means is there is no trade to be had here.

So this is like the movie where the hero walks into a bar. He asks the bartender "How much for a drink" they answer "Normally $4. For you it's $20" and just to be a dick they hike it to $40 when asked "what gives"

If this is the angle then that is probably the worst possible way to do business considering probably 2/3 of the league has Buffalo on their NMC's and NTC's

 

[Beerz]

So this is like the movie where the hero walks into a bar. He asks the bartender "How much for a drink" they answer "Normally $4. For you it's $20" and just to be a dick they hike it to $40 when asked "what gives"

If this is the angle then that is probably the worst possible way to do business considering probably 2/3 of the league has Buffalo on their NMC's and NTC's

Do business? Sabres aren't looking to move him at this time. I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Zman5778]

considering probably 2/3 of the league has Buffalo on their NMC's and NTC's

Boy you're being generous.

Most of us think that number is closer to 90-95%

 

[Fatass]

Again, posting tweets of insiders saying that there is noise around Tuch is as valid or a trade rumor as it gets. I’m not treating it like anything, if posting smoke for a potential trade. It’s not my fault that some of you need to crawl into your safe space upon reading it.

The Sabres are very much underperforming. It really isn’t “news” that other clubs’ GM’s would be calling to inquire about all Buffalo players. Likely some even asked about Power and Dahlin. That doesn’t mean the Sabres are selling any of these top players. The other clubs are phoning and it’s the Sabre’s GM’s job to answer. These so called “insiders” could say this stuff about any struggling team’s players. It doesn’t mean it’s news worthy.

 

[Rschmitz]

If that noise is literally unchanged since early last month, it's not news.

How long is long enough to determine if the news is new? Are you the arbiter of how old news should be? GMs continuing to make calls is news to me, it says they are still interested. With the TDL being less than a week away, most will find this interesting

 

[Rschmitz]

The Sabres are very much underperforming. It really isn’t “news” that other clubs’ GM’s would be calling to inquire about all Buffalo players. Likely some even asked about Power and Dahlin. That doesn’t mean the Sabres are selling any of these top players. The other clubs are phoning and it’s the Sabre’s GM’s job to answer. These so called “insiders” could say this stuff about any struggling team’s players. It doesn’t mean it’s news worthy.

The TDL is less than a week away, it may not be super informative, but I think it is news that Tampa is still trying to acquire him and that Buffalo hasn’t said no.