Are you disappointed that they are sticking with the core?

[Stephen]

Isnt it tho?

Hedman/Stamkos needed a 2nd wave of elite impact talent (kucherov, vasy, point) and a 3rd wave of impact elc talent (cirelli sergachev cernak) before they won anything.

Took Ovy/Backstrom even longer.

Inevitability isn’t a convincing team building strategy either.

How do we know the Leafs aren’t Thornton/Marleau? God knows how much we learned from the tutelage from those two.

 

[Bluelines]

Well you've posted enough babble to completely obscure what the initial discussion was. Nice to see you haven't lost your touch after your little sabbatical.

Sabbatical you say? I knew something was missing in my life like chaos and being right all the time... WELCOME BACK @zeke !!!

 

[zeke]

I think you should take a break from playing offence around here about “leafs homers” given reality. Are you even watching or just running algorithms? The rage has never been more justified.

Fair. I took a break to let you guys enjoy your ragefest. And given that i know the FO will stay the course like i want, i'll take another break and leave you guys to even more frustrated raging.

Enjoy.

 

[Bluelines]

Inevitability isn’t a convincing team building strategy either.

How do we know the Leafs aren’t Thornton/Marleau? God knows how much we learned from the tutelage from those two.

 

[egd27]

Fair. I took a break to let you guys enjoy your ragefest. And given that i know the FO will stay the course like i want, i'll take another break and leave you guys to even more frustrated raging.

Enjoy.

Promise? Can you let us know for how long?

 

[Cams]

Originally I was, but the longer it goes I don't trust Dubas and Shanahan's evaluation of the big 4 in any sort of trade. If they shopped Nylander or Marner or both, they would overrated them, ask for too much and then end up with much less through negotiation. As Dubas has proven not to be a great negotiator.

If you trade 1/2 of the those 4, great a new president and GM without a bias opinion.

You think it's that simple...... that cut and dry..... need to get a dose of reality. Reality and HFBoards speak are like one person at the top and bottom of the grand canyon..

 

[zeke]

You said vegas odds would overrate the leafs because of leafs homer betting. Correct

Then you said that leafs fans wouldnt bet on the leafs. Incorrect. I said no one in their right mind would bet on the Leafs..... not that all "Leafs fans wouldnt bet on the Leafs".

BTW....How much did you put down?

Iirc i asked you to look around HF or listen to talk radio and suss out whether leafs homers would still bet on the leafs out of homerism, and you gave an emphatic no.

 

[Gabriel426]

I don’t think the core is good enough. It is not coaching or luck, individually they are great in the regular season but playoffs is another story.

 

[Bluelines]

Preseason odds 2019-20:

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You question the tweet that had us at the 4th best odds then you post a link to another odd's leaderboard that has us at.... wait for it.... the 4th best odds... Ummm.. zeke? Your point was....?

 

[zeke]

Promise? Can you let us know for how long?

At least until some noteworthy news happens.

So enjoy.

 

[socko]

We're probably a few months away from Dubas pissing away more draft picks.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Not sure why some keep comparing to other teams and how long it took them to win.
Did they lose 5 first round playoffs in a row? Did they look like they were playing a pre-season game in the biggest games of the year? Did they stand up for eachother? Did they have abysmal powerplays? Did they allow some players to dictate their terms (when and where they'll play)

Who cares about Wash or TB?! f***ing Vegas has accomplished more in 4 years than we have in decades

 

[DarkKnight]

Fair. I took a break to let you guys enjoy your ragefest. And given that i know the FO will stay the course like i want, i'll take another break and leave you guys to even more frustrated raging.

Enjoy.

What’s with the monolithic comment, like it’s some borg and we aren’t independent thinkers. Take a break and give the arrogance a rest dude, you just went quiet because you knew it was objectively awful. The feelings around here are justified.

 

[zeke]

You question the tweet that had us at the 4th best odds then you post a link to another odd's leaderboard that has us at.... wait for it.... the 4th best odds... Ummm.. zeke? Your point was....?

That the leafs will always be pne of the favorites as long as this core is together.

 

[Bomber0104]

At least until some noteworthy news happens.

So enjoy.

I'm sure whatever that news is will make us the "greatest Leafs team in generations".

Again!

 

[notbias]

I don't agree with this at all. Sometimes it's a "fluke" team that wins it but that doesn't happen very often.

Does the best team usually win the cup or not? I'd take the field every year over the best team, that is my point.

You put yourself in the best position to win, but even if there is a stacked team, it is unlikely they win the cup over the field, so at some point even though they are favored, they lose.

I believe NYI/MTL or similar teams are built on the idea of limiting mistakes, they play better teams and will win based on mistakes, not on skill or this "outworking" that people keep bringing up, that is just someone's reasoning for lower-skilled players winning.

I do think MTL/NYI are better than some teams that made it to the playoffs, but from what I have seen, a lot of their game is built on not losing, instead of winning.

I am sure the typical people will roast me for this opinion, but I just think it takes a lot of things going right for a team to win the cup.

A couple of our posts go in, Price doesn't stand on his head, Tavares stays in the series, this could be a completely different conversation, the same people cursing the big 4 may be praising them.

 

[zeke]

What’s with the monolithic comment, like it’s some borg and we aren’t independent thinkers. Take a break and give the arrogance a rest dude, you just went quiet because you knew it was objectively awful. The feelings around here are justified.

You guys seem quite upset that any poster would disagree with your answer to the question posed by this thread, and have all attacked me (personally, btw) for daring to answer the question differently.

Sounds monolithic to me!

So enjoy!

 

[Bomber0104]

We're probably a few months away from Dubas pissing away more draft picks.

I'm quite confident Dubas' leash will be tight enough for him to be barred from making any self-preservation moves.

I have at least that much hope left in MLSE...

 

[IPS]

Not sure why some keep comparing to other teams and how long it took them to win.
Did they lose 5 first round playoffs in a row? Did they look like they were playing a pre-season game in the biggest games of the year? Did they stand up for eachother? Did they have abysmal powerplays? Did they allow some players to dictate their terms (when and where they'll play)

Who cares about Wash or TB?! f***ing Vegas has accomplished more in 4 years than we have in decades

This was the year where we finally got the layup we've all been waiting for and the team choked a 3-1 series lead.

Couldn't hold anyone accountable for the Columbus loss because of hOt GoAlTeNdInG but the same people will pop up with more BS excuses for this monumental failure.

 

[koyvoo]

I’m indifferent for now. Maybe next year I’ll be more heavily in the camp that something needs to happen.

At this point, a timeline of sorts is needed. How many more years of watching these players fold when results matter and opponents are bringing max effort every shift?

Just gimme a timeline, where we’ll finally say “ok, these guys aren’t gonna do it, let’s move on”. Do we have to watch cowardice every spring one more time, two, three? How many until they say enough is enough.

 

[egd27]

Iirc i asked you to look around HF or listen to talk radio and suss out whether leafs homers would still bet on the leafs out of homerism, and you gave an emphatic no.

Take a look around HF or listen tl the radio and tell me how many leafs fans would bet on the leafs.

No one in their right mind.

That said, if no one bets on them, Vegas will not leave their odds in "favorite" territory for very long. So there goes your theory of Vegas thinking highly them.

Those that try to misrepresent what others actually said rather than owning up to a mistake or misinterpreting something demonstrate zero integrity. Enjoy your break

 

[Bluelines]

That the leafs will always be pne of the favorites as long as this core is together.

Isn't that what the first tweet said that you took exception to?

 

[ShaneFalco]

This was the year where we finally got the layup we've all been waiting for and the team choked a 3-1 series lead.

Couldn't hold anyone accountable for the Columbus loss because of hOt GoAlTeNdInG but the same people will pop up with more BS excuses for this monumental failure.

"We took the Habs to game 7 and they went on to the SCF! "

 

[DarkKnight]

You guys seem quite upset that any poster would disagree with your answer to the question posed by this thread, and have all attacked me (personally, btw) for daring to answer the question differently.

Sounds monolithic to me!

So enjoy!

What’s with you guys again? I love how you always elevate yourself, it’s really telling. It’s always “leafs fans”. And as for being attacked, I’ve been pummelled here for some of my takes, that’s how it goes.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

That the leafs will always be pne of the favorites as long as this core is together.

Looks like they'll always be supreme chokers too given their track record.