Are you disappointed that they are sticking with the core?

[Brad C]

JT's first game against the islanders. How many games when they "didn't start on time"

Or start at all.
There is a long list

 

[Trapper]

Anyone else nervous Jumbo hasn’t announced his retirement?

All the pictures of him hanging out with Matthews leads me to believe he will be back.

Besides, why retire when you can play regular season for the Leafs.

 

[Thissiteisgarbage]

All the pictures of him hanging out with Matthews leads me to believe he will be back.

Loser organizations make loser moves (like Simmonds re-signing). Jumbo coming back wouldn't surprise me in the slightest with Dubas in charge. Keefe playing him on the 1st PP again wouldn't surprise me either.

This team finally broke my spirit, I'm afraid.

 

[ACC1224]

All the pictures of him hanging out with Matthews leads me to believe he will be back.

Besides, why retire when you can play regular season for the Leafs.

I doubt very much he is back.

 

[notDatsyuk]

All the pictures of him hanging out with Matthews leads me to believe he will be back.

Besides, why retire when you can play regular season for the Leafs.

And be guaranteed an early start to your golf season.

 

[ACC1224]

Yep

 

[rumman]

All the pictures of him hanging out with Matthews leads me to believe he will be back.

Besides, why retire when you can play regular season for the Leafs.

Exactly what runs through my mind every time I see a picture of him and the kids. It would fit with management’s narrative that they like the team’s composition despite zero success.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

The last time we were in the Atlantic before the COVID play in happened, we had 81 points in 70 games and Florida had 78 points in 69.

A lot of that had to do with Babcock and our putrid start under him. We had a .628 win percentage after Keefe took over, and while Boston and Tampa were still running away with the division, we were in 3rd by far.

From November 20th, 2019 - Stoppage:
Boston - .704
Tampa - .692
Toronto - .628
Florida - .531
Buffalo - .469
Montreal - .450
Ottawa - .430
Detroit - .229

We are comfortably in the playoffs if we started the year with Keefe and maintained his rate of play.

 

[DarkKnight]

A lot of that had to do with Babcock and our putrid start under him. We had a .628 win percentage after Keefe took over, and while Boston and Tampa were still running away with the division, we were in 3rd by far.

From November 20th, 2019 - Stoppage:
Boston - .704
Tampa - .692
Toronto - .628
Florida - .531
Buffalo - .469
Montreal - .450
Ottawa - .430
Detroit - .229

We are comfortably in the playoffs if we started the year with Keefe and maintained his rate of play.

Big deal, teams regularly respond after a high profile changing of the guard, it offers zero long term analysis of Keefe's true impact. One fact, two years in a row he was out coached in the playoffs.

 

[zeke]

Under Keefe

#6 .660 pts%
#4 .592 row%

#7 Goals %
#4 Expected Goals %

#20 .903 sv%

 

[ShaneFalco]

Under Keefe

#6 .660 pts%
#4 .592 row%

#7 Goals %
#4 Expected Goals %

#20 .903 sv%

0 playoff round wins and horrible coaching decisions. He's like his team, a regular season guy

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Under Keefe

#6 .660 pts%
#4 .592 row%

#7 Goals %
#4 Expected Goals %

#20 .903 sv%

Under Keefe

1. Lost to Columbus in qualifying round

2. Lost to Montreal in 1st round

Expected 1st round loss % = 100%

 

[ShaneFalco]

All the pictures of him hanging out with Matthews leads me to believe he will be back.

Besides, why retire when you can play regular season for the Leafs.

True and you're guaranteed top minutes - except if you're Spezza

 

[DarkKnight]

Imagine being so obtuse you’re still pumping useless stats. What a gig.

We. Lost. Again. In. The. First. Round.

Nothing else matters, there are no security blankets.

 

[zeke]

We. Lost. Again. In. The. First. Round.

Nothing else matters,

trade the roster for the habs roster.

 

[Dayjobdave]

I'm fine with them giving the core another shot. This is a good team. If we don't get through the first next year, i'm sure there will be changes - and I would certainly support moving a high end forward to get a high end D and/or a game-stealing goalie.

 

[DarkKnight]

trade the roster for the habs roster.

So nonsensical.

 

[zeke]

So nonsensical.

you said, and I quote, "nothing else matters".

 

[DarkKnight]

you said, and I quote, "nothing else matters".

You got nothing is all I read. Go cobble some bastardized stat that doesn’t tell you Keefe was out coached again, it matters not, nor does it have any bearing on reality. At some point LOSING sort of over rides manufactured metrics. You just can’t get it. Cheers.

 

[zeke]

You got nothing is all I read. Go read some bastardized stat that doesn’t tell you Keefe was out coached again, it matters not, nor does it have any bearing on reality. At some point LOSING sort of over rides manufactured metrics. You just can’t get it. Cheers.

points
wins
goals
expected goals

these are "bastardized stats"?

 

[DarkKnight]

points
wins
goals
expected goals

these are "bastardized stats"?

1st round loss, 1st round loss, 1st round loss, 1st round loss.

Waste of time, just don’t expect anyone to buy what you’re still trying to sell. You don’t get sport apparently.

 

[francis246]

Loser organizations make loser moves (like Simmonds re-signing). Jumbo coming back wouldn't surprise me in the slightest with Dubas in charge. Keefe playing him on the 1st PP again wouldn't surprise me either.

This team finally broke my spirit, I'm afraid.

comments like these just crack me up, how is Simmonds a loser signing. If you think Simmonds wasn’t going to get an NHL contract this coming season you are delusional

 

[Suntouchable13]

I'm fine with them giving the core another shot. This is a good team. If we don't get through the first next year, i'm sure there will be changes - and I would certainly support moving a high end forward to get a high end D and/or a game-stealing goalie.

Who would they be favoured against in the first round? Florida? Maybe.

 

[egd27]

A lot of that had to do with Babcock and our putrid start under him. We had a .628 win percentage after Keefe took over, and while Boston and Tampa were still running away with the division, we were in 3rd by far.

From November 20th, 2019 - Stoppage:
Boston - .704
Tampa - .692
Toronto - .628
Florida - .531
Buffalo - .469
Montreal - .450
Ottawa - .430
Detroit - .229

We are comfortably in the playoffs if we started the year with Keefe and maintained his rate of play.

It looks much better when you blend the record from Nov to Stoppage

Under Babcock they were 9-10-4 for a .478

After the first 20 games with the new coach "bump" they were 15-4-1 for a .775

Once that wore off and they got "comfortable" with the new coach, the Final 27 games were 12-11-4 for a .519 (essentially one win better than the Babs record)

So I suppose it's another IF to be used

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Big deal, teams regularly respond after a high profile changing of the guard, it offers zero long term analysis of Keefe's true impact. One fact, two years in a row he was out coached in the playoffs.

The original concern was the Leafs struggling to even making the playoffs. I am saying that is a major stretch, and the only reason it was even close last year was because of the putrid start under Babcock.