Are you disappointed that they are sticking with the core?

[Racer88]

arguable, but let's say you're right.....remember that the only reason why in this case our expected goals% is lower than our goals% is due to the team's 20th ranked save percentage, not an inability to score as many goals as expected.

I guess we look at it differently. I think the Leafs got bounced because they didn’t score enough goals especially the 2 guys we are expecting to produce.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I've thought about this a lot at this point. I honestly don't see why anything would be different next season without a major overhaul. That could be a coach or a player overhaul but if they go into next season with a couple of player tweaks and an assistant coach change, I don't see how things will turn out any different.

Again, this is my lowest interest level since Lou Franceschetti was on the team. If the season started tomorrow, I would not be watching.

 

[HockeyVirus]

So, there are two ways this can go. Dubas is betting his job on Marner.

Either Marner see's the hate he is getting and sulks, makes excuses, and comes back checked out mentally just earning a paycheck.

OR

He gets really pissed off and comes in hungry.

Marner can be a MVP level player. He did it in the mem up. He is going to be 24. I think there is a chance he can be the player he can be.

Matthews will be Matthews.

Tavares I think is good for 80 points.

It just doesn't look very good up front. Defense is strong. Goaltending is a question mark.

I think the team is a bubble team to 6th in east level team next year as is. Dubas has his hands full to make this team a contender. We need minimum 3 or 4 top 9 wingers, at least 3 of them should be top 6 level. We need a 3rd line C. We need a legit goalie who can carry the load if Campbell is hurt again or fumbles.

If they can do that, somehow, then I think we'll have a great chance at losing in 7 games in the first round again.

 

[notDatsyuk]

More proof that expected stats are useless while actual stats are ... truth.

I wouldn't say that expected stats are 'useless'. Apparently they help a lot of fans sleep well at night.

Similar to "a mother's delusions concerning her son's good looks and intelligence is often all that keeps her from strangling him at birth".

 

[zeke]

All this joking about "expected stats" stemmed from a post which quoted points, wins, and goals.

Weird.

 

[mapleleaf979]

Tavares @ 11 million was and still is the big mistake on this team. Leafs can not spend more than 6-7 million on a 2c on this team. They had a bargain @ 4.5 million but I understand the trust issue. Tavares contract is literally unmoveable, imo.

 

[Stonehands1990]

All this joking about "expected stats" stemmed from a post which quoted points, wins, and goals.

Weird.

I think the Leafs have a real shot at some expected cups at some point. Actual ones debatable

 

[Gary Nylund]

Correct, his stats have shown that they actually don’t translate into success. They’ve actually proven themselves to be completely and utterly irrelevant. I mean year after year we are a paper tiger and a real world kitty.

I’m going to tell my Habs friends about all the expected Cups we won.

I don't like bragging but in this case it's understandable. Habs fans can be crazy obnoxious but when I point out that my calculations had us at .007 expected cups this season compared to their .0015, they shut up immediately.

I think the Leafs have a real shot at some expected cups at some point. Actual ones debatable

Agreed. We're an elite them that is top 2 in expected cups over the last 4 seasons, the sky's the limit.

 

[The Podium]

Bet Tampa was ready to blow up the core after being swept in the first round following the best regular season in league history. Probably would’ve been a good idea tbh.

Sometimes failure breeds success. This was this teams first true failure despite what everyone here thinks.

Bet the big boys come back hungry next year.

However with that said, another failed playoff then they can blow it up.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Bet Tampa was ready to blow up the core after being swept in the first round following the best regular season in league history. Probably would’ve been a good idea tbh.

Sometimes failure breeds success. This was this teams first true failure despite what everyone here thinks.

Bet the big boys come back hungry next year.

However with that said, another failed playoff then they can blow it up.

Right. 5 years of first round exits and game 7 total collapses isn't failure. But to you, there's been one failed year but if they fail again, blow it up because then failure doesn't breed success!?

 

[zeke]

I think the Leafs have a real shot at some expected cups at some point. Actual ones debatable

Points, Wins, Goals.

 

[The Podium]

Right. 5 years of first round exits and game 7 total collapses isn't failure. But to you, there's been one failed year but if they fail again, blow it up because then failure doesn't breed success!?

3 years of being a significant underdog and one being on par with their opponent aren’t failures. Losing as big favourites after being up 3-1 is a clear failure.

 

[ShaneFalco]

3 years of being a significant underdog and one being on par with their opponents aren’t failures. Losing as big favourites after being up 3-1 is a clear failure.

Please underdogs win every year
More excuses

 

[Gary Nylund]

3 years of being a significant underdog and one being on par with their opponent aren’t failures. Losing as big favourites after being up 3-1 is a clear failure.

So losses as an underdog or to "on par" opponents don't count as failures? Not even a little bit?

According to the Athletic, the odds of the Leafs losing everyone of the last 5 series was 1.4%. Keep telling yourself it's "just one year" if it makes you feel better but the reality is worse than you think, no make that a lot worse.

 

[Thissiteisgarbage]

he scored 7 goals in limited minutes and with a broken wrist, same amount as Mikheyev who had about a million chances and couldn’t bury, same as Engvall who played a lot more than Simmonds as well. Only 1 less goal than Kerfoot. So how exactly is he a plug? he’s producing on par in terms of goal scoring with the rest of the bottom six. He probably would have had a lot more if the power play could get going. He is a value player, despite what you say and the stats back it up

Sure thing.

 

[francis246]

Sure thing.

LOL exactly you have nothing to say because it's true and those numbers prove it. If he's a plug so is the rest of our bottom six and that's a bigger issue. But production wise in terms of goal scoring he did his part

 

[DarkKnight]

Bet Tampa was ready to blow up the core after being swept in the first round following the best regular season in league history. Probably would’ve been a good idea tbh.

Sometimes failure breeds success. This was this teams first true failure despite what everyone here thinks.

Bet the big boys come back hungry next year.

However with that said, another failed playoff then they can blow it up.

Tampa Bay also lost two Conf Finals and a Cup Final, it’s a horrible analogy to our continued futility.

 

[DarkKnight]

Please underdogs win every year
More excuses

Imagine still polishing turds on here, what a world to inhabit. “Leafs fans” who are still tire pumping and talking about luck and expected this and that are the worst because they can’t even admit the obvious problems. Seriously delusional at this point and I say this as someone who was optimistic about last year’s group. Update the bs fellas, sheesh.

 

[Thissiteisgarbage]

LOL exactly you have nothing to say because it's true and those numbers prove it. If he's a plug so is the rest of our bottom six and that's a bigger issue. But production wise in terms of goal scoring he did his part

Yeah, OK.

 

[francis246]

Yeah, OK.

ahahaha

 

[francis246]

Using Mikheyev as a comparison is not a good idea, the both bring nothing to the team, ditto for Engvall.

how the f*** is that not a good comparison? It's the players he's in contention with for ice time. & That's my exact point, how can people be pissed off at the simmonds contract when he brings the EXACT same value on the score sheet as Mikheyev and Engvall for LESS? It proves the point that people on here bitch for absolutely nothing. If simmonds is a problem, so is Mikheyev, Engvall and the rest of our bottom six. So to singularly point at Simmonds as being a black hole is not true.

 

[Racer88]

Bet Tampa was ready to blow up the core after being swept in the first round following the best regular season in league history. Probably would’ve been a good idea tbh.

Sometimes failure breeds success. This was this teams first true failure despite what everyone here thinks.

Bet the big boys come back hungry next year.

However with that said, another failed playoff then they can blow it up.

The “big boys” haven’t com back hungry after the previous 4 failures, what makes you think this will be the one.
How many failures does it take before they have any success at all ?

 

[justashadowof]

I think the Leafs have a real shot at some expected cups at some point. Actual ones debatable

The Toronto NHL franchise has 13 Cups in 103 seasons. That's 12.6% Cups. In the upcoming decade, the expected number of Stanley Cups is 1.26.

 

[The Podium]

Please underdogs win every year
More excuses

Underdogs do win every year, but they are more likely to lose than win.

So losses as an underdog or to "on par" opponents don't count as failures? Not even a little bit?

According to the Athletic, the odds of the Leafs losing everyone of the last 5 series was 1.4%. Keep telling yourself it's "just one year" if it makes you feel better but the reality is worse than you think, no make that a lot worse.

Am I happy the Leafs keep losing? Absolutely not, I probably get more pissed about it than anyone. But being upset shouldnt cloud judgement. This was their first loss as a favourite in a series so it is the first true single season failure, regardless of the sum of futility.

Imagine still polishing turds on here, what a world to inhabit. “Leafs fans” who are still tire pumping and talking about luck and expected this and that are the worst because they can’t even admit the obvious problems. Seriously delusional at this point and I say this as someone who was optimistic about last year’s group. Update the bs fellas, sheesh.

There are serious problems with this team and I can name them all.

#1 - Lack of killer instinct/low give a shit meter
#2 - Lack of offensive depth
#3 - Lack of a true #1D
#4 - Unproven goaltending

That doesnt mean this group cant get it done. That doesnt mean Dubas/Keefe/big 4 are failures.

Something needs to change, but sometimes it takes years to develop a winner. Ask Washington, Pittsburgh round 2, Boston St. Louis, Tampa who were all perennial regular season powerhouses and playoff disappointments. The Chicago/LA model is the exception not the rule.

Tampa took 10 years with this core to finally win. It included 3 seasons where they missed the playoffs outright.

 

[justashadowof]

I've thought about this a lot at this point. I honestly don't see why anything would be different next season without a major overhaul. That could be a coach or a player overhaul but if they go into next season with a couple of player tweaks and an assistant coach change, I don't see how things will turn out any different.

Again, this is my lowest interest level since Lou Franceschetti was on the team. If the season started tomorrow, I would not be watching.

Not really sure I'd say lowest interest but I put zero stock into this team's regular season. The team could very well have a good regular season record again considering that they've got the best regular season sniper in the league right now. We'll see about that. The goaltending could implode or a major injury could strike and the season could go into full regression.

P.S. This is still not as demoralizing as the year after the team traded its 1st in the Eric Lindros draft.