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Suntouchable13 said:
Who would they be favoured against in the first round? Florida? Maybe.
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The Leafs would have a good shot against Boston, as they have had in the past. "Favoured" would not be the right word, but I wouldn't bet money on Boston either.

The frustrating part about the Leafs is that they can go up against any team in a 7 game series and win. We are a good enough team to do that. At the same time, we can go up against the Habs and lose, and it will probably be for the most stupid reason imaginable.
 
Trapper said:
All the pictures of him hanging out with Matthews leads me to believe he will be back.

Besides, why retire when you can play regular season for the Leafs.
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And not be held accountable by coaching or management
 
zeke said:
trade the roster for the habs roster.
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I don’t think we need to do that but I do think they all need to be held accountable for continuing failure.
This needs to start right at the top with MLSE board asking Shanny …..what’s up bub
 
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I get having faith in your team or if you believe in certain players/personal (I don't), but when all you can do is regurgitate metrics/stats I got nothin for you. The stats you posted aren't even interesting tbh. How about explaining why you believe in them with words. Stuff you see from watching. It's why I stopped posting on the baseball forum I used to be on. It just turned into advanced stats that didn't exist until this new era. Imagine watching the game with friends and reciting stats. I no doubt talk a lot and say things that aren't always sound, but at least they're my words and opinions and not just numbers with no context.
 
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Eternal Leaf said:
Under Keefe

1. Lost to Columbus in qualifying round

2. Lost to Montreal in 1st round

Expected 1st round loss % = 100%
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Not to be that guy, but if it was "expected" 1st round loss, the number would be 0%. No one expected the Leafs to lose both series. If you wanted to replace it with "actual" then yeah it would make sense.
 
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francis246 said:
comments like these just crack me up, how is Simmonds a loser signing. If you think Simmonds wasn’t going to get an NHL contract this coming season you are delusional
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He's washed up. Did nothing for us last season outside of a couple of games. I'm sure there's some other idiot teams who would sign him sure, what does that prove? I'm sure Marleau could probably get a contract if he wanted to as well...??
 
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Racer88 said:
Goals #7
Expected goals #4.
This alone shows how expected goals are a nonsense stat…….you don’t win by counting expected goals, but by counting real goals
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I mean I can't argue with the fact that you win with real goals, but claiming that expected goals is "nonsense" is a statement that an argument can be made against. It is a useful stat in that you can understand where your strengths as a team are, if your success is sustainable over a season, and determine whether it was dumb luck or a hot goalie that beat you.

As a team you score more goals by being in dangerous positions or shooting opportunities, you score the majority of your goals from those positions, so saying that you have a higher expected goals means you get those opportunities to score, which results in more real goals.

It's useful, it just can't be the only thing you rely on.
 
Intellivisionhockey said:
He's washed up. Did nothing for us last season outside of a couple of games. I'm sure there's some other idiot teams who would sign him sure, what does that prove? I'm sure Marleau could probably get a contract if he wanted to as well...??
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he scored 7 goals in limited minutes and with a broken wrist, same amount as Mikheyev who had about a million chances and couldn’t bury, same as Engvall who played a lot more than Simmonds as well. Only 1 less goal than Kerfoot. So how exactly is he a plug? he’s producing on par in terms of goal scoring with the rest of the bottom six. He probably would have had a lot more if the power play could get going. He is a value player, despite what you say and the stats back it up
 
Racer88 said:
Goals #7
Expected goals #4.
This alone shows how expected goals are a nonsense stat…….you don’t win by counting expected goals, but by counting real goals
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arguable, but let's say you're right.....remember that the only reason why in this case our expected goals% is lower than our goals% is due to the team's 20th ranked save percentage, not an inability to score as many goals as expected.
 
francis246 said:
he scored 7 goals in limited minutes and with a broken wrist, same amount as Mikheyev who had about a million chances and couldn’t bury, same as Engvall who played a lot more than Simmonds as well. Only 1 less goal than Kerfoot. So how exactly is he a plug? he’s producing on par in terms of goal scoring with the rest of the bottom six. He probably would have had a lot more if the power play could get going. He is a value player, despite what you say and the stats back it up
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Using Mikheyev as a comparison is not a good idea, the both bring nothing to the team, ditto for Engvall.
 
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heatersthebest said:
Not to be that guy, but if it was "expected" 1st round loss, the number would be 0%. No one expected the Leafs to lose both series. If you wanted to replace it with "actual" then yeah it would make sense.
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Fair enough.

Actual 1st round loss %: 100%
Actual pain of being a Leafs fan: 100%
Actual pain of reading advanced stats backing the Leafs: 100%

Hearing Marner talk about starting on time after another playoff loss: Priceless
 
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heatersthebest said:
I mean I can't argue with the fact that you win with real goals, but claiming that expected goals is "nonsense" is a statement that an argument can be made against. It is a useful stat in that you can understand where your strengths as a team are, if your success is sustainable over a season, and determine whether it was dumb luck or a hot goalie that beat you.

As a team you score more goals by being in dangerous positions or shooting opportunities, you score the majority of your goals from those positions, so saying that you have a higher expected goals means you get those opportunities to score, which results in more real goals.

It's useful, it just can't be the only thing you rely on.
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Useful, perhaps. How useful and useful for what exactly is the question.

If there's one thing that Zeke has shown us over the last few years (besides the fact that some people can never admit it when they're wrong) is that expected goal stats (or expected anything stats for that matter) compiled during the regular season are completely useless when it comes to predicting how a team will fare in the playoffs. And that's why for a long time now, I just roll my eyes when Zeke posts "advanced stats" to show what an "elite" team we have.

Marner is the perfect poster boy for the team at this point, compiles nice numbers during the regular season but the minute the playoffs start which is a different style of hockey ... not a player/team to be taken seriously.

Kind of reminds me of why the starting hand of Ace King in holdem poker is called Anna Kournikova - no it's not the initials, it's because she looks good but never wins.
 
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Gary Nylund said:
Useful, perhaps. How useful and useful for what exactly is the question.

If there's one thing that Zeke has shown us over the last few years (besides the fact that some people can never admit it when they're wrong) is that expected goal stats (or expected anything stats for that matter) compiled during the regular season are completely useless when it comes to predicting how a team will fare in the playoffs. And that's why for a long time now, I just roll my eyes when Zeke posts "advanced stats" to show what an "elite" team we have.

Marner is the perfect poster boy for the team at this point, compiles nice numbers during the regular season but the minute the playoffs start which is a different style of hockey ... not a player/team to be taken seriously.

Kind of reminds me of why the starting hand of Ace King in holdem poker is called Anna Kournikova - no it's not the initials, it's because she looks good but never wins.
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Correct, his stats have shown that they actually don’t translate into success. They’ve actually proven themselves to be completely and utterly irrelevant. I mean year after year we are a paper tiger and a real world kitty.

I’m going to tell my Habs friends about all the expected Cups we won.
 
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