this core is rotten. tampa had leaders at every level, starting at the top. we have kyle dubas lmao
Are you disappointed that they are sticking with the core?
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Mickey Marner
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Right. They lost to the cup champs three years (2015, 2016, 2018) in either the finals or semis and made it to game 7 of the semis and then later the finals without Stamkos. This Leafs group is maybe the Minnesota Wild-East and even that's pretty generous.
oh FFS.........give it a rest with your "common knowledge" nonsense.
| 2014-15 | Stanley Cup Finalists |
| 2015-16 | Conference Finalists |
| 2016-17 | Out of Playoffs |
| 2017-18 | Conference Finalists |
| 2018-19 | Lost in round 1 |
| 2019-20 | Stanley Cup Champions |
| 2020-21 | Stanley Cup Champions |
Looks like a damn good playoff team to anyone with an ounce objectivity.
People are ridiculous. Only in Toronto would we be like we should trade the reigning rocket winner because 'think of the return' imagine how many firsts we could get for him!
DarkKnight
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Anyone else nervous Jumbo hasn’t announced his retirement?
Bottom Line.
This Super Soft Team Will Never Win 4 Rounds.
Ever.
And.
Who Cares What Vegas Says.
The playoffs were great as usual.
This team is too timid to compete.
Shannahan/Dubas/Keefe/Engvall/Kerfoot/Marner must go.
If you can’t see that, I gotta ask ; do you actually Watch Hockey or just opine on Hockey.
Big Difference.
Mickey Marner
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I'm nervous we sign both him and Marleau.
Losing = Failure.
We played our best playoff hockey against Washington.
We have progressively gotten worse.
Just the facts.
Please.
You think winning the terribly weak North means anything?
And.
A complete collapse in the first round means everything is good?
Wow.
Never heard a true fan who accepts such awful results so easily.
I don't see things quite as black and white as that, but I agree with the rest.
tmlfan98
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I don’t think you understood my point. And you’re being a jerk about it for no reason.
The Leafs were hard to watch this year. Especially in the playoffs.
I don’t agree that your random list of scapegoats needs to go, but changes definitely need to happen.
notDatsyuk
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I don't think they have much choice.
Matthews is an excellent regular season player, who will hopefully learn to succeed in the playoffs, as well as being the star and main attraction, so they really can't trade him.
Nylander is our best playoff performer, on a somewhat reasonable contract.
Marner is so badly overpaid that any trade involving him wouldn't return value, and probably wouldn't help our cap.
Tavares, the one we should trade, we can't.
Also, I think I'd rather stand pat than let Dubas make more mistakes.
Matthews is an excellent regular season player, who will hopefully learn to succeed in the playoffs, as well as being the star and main attraction, so they really can't trade him.
Nylander is our best playoff performer, on a somewhat reasonable contract.
Marner is so badly overpaid that any trade involving him wouldn't return value, and probably wouldn't help our cap.
Tavares, the one we should trade, we can't.
Also, I think I'd rather stand pat than let Dubas make more mistakes.
rumman
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Yup, at this point I’m just waiting for Dubas to be fired (Shanahan too) nothing changes until these malcontents are removed from the equation.
Eternal Leaf
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Tampa was not a playoff paper tiger.
Their core went to the cup final in its second year together. They just couldn't take that final step because Stamkos kept getting injured.
In comparison, the Leafs can't even win a round.
ItsFineImFine
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Not only are they sticking with the core but they're sticking with the same coaches the same management and the same periphery players like Simmonds/Holl/Dermott/Kerfoot. They'll be forced to lose one guy to expansion or they would've kept him too.
Man I dunno how this Leafs mgmt has brought so much job security and confidence to themselves to fail badly and still not have to make changes and be this confident with what they have.
Man I dunno how this Leafs mgmt has brought so much job security and confidence to themselves to fail badly and still not have to make changes and be this confident with what they have.
Letting dubas negotiate contracts is just wrong
I mean I think he only has 2 years left on his contract
Bring in some help
ShaneFalco
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I don't think they know how to fix it
Or aren't willing to - wouldn't want to upset anybody
Ummm. Point of order. Zamboni Driver Game, 5 goal lead against Ottawa, Covid Canucks loss
I think though that we have one in the making in Sandin. And I still feel Lily is going to be a late bloomer. But the win now environment is restricted their opportunities, which is completely understandable.
613Leafer
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Yep. There are certainly some big red flags / meltdowns on this team that have nothing to do with the playoffs.
ShaneFalco
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JT's first game against the islanders. How many games when they "didn't start on time"
