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Trapper said:
Can you imagine it here if we are just on the outside of the top 3 in the Atlantic and in a wild card race.

The last time we were in the Atlantic before the COVID play in happened, we had 81 points in 70 games and Florida had 78 points in 69.
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Not only can I imagine it, I believe it's a very real possibility.
 
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End of season pressers:

Muzzin: “We can’t be easy to play against, or we won’t get it done in the playoffs.”

Spezza: He also gives an endorsement of Auston Matthews and Mitch Marner when asked. He says specifically that they have improved their professionalism

Hyman: He also talks about how they had chances, but didn’t score, and he suggests that they need to find some dirty goals more.

Thornton: His feeling on the series is that a team has to start fast, and keep playing to close out the games. So he’s talking about consistency, the same word we’ve been hearing for years

Rielly: Morgan Rielly says that he and his teammates need to learn to close out a series, and that they have to look at mirror and ask if they were really ready for those last three games.

There's a theme here........... and it's been this way for years
 
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100% correct approach. You don't f*** with the division winner who took the present SCF finalist to 7 games -- and was the only team to win more than 1 game against them in the playoffs.
 
Just seeing Matthews, Marner and in the NBA a guy like Ben Simmon's behavior following a horrible playoff loss, makes me really appreciate how crazy of a work ethic guys like Crosby, Mackinnon, and Kobe (RIP) have/had in their playing days.

Win or lose, you would hardly see anything about those guys partying or playing golf after a disappointing playoff loss.

I take for granted the insane work ethic those guys (and other legends) had and just assumed every star player in any sport would be just as determined and driven for greatness as those guys are/were
 
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Stephen said:
I follow Tampa Bay as my second team and I can you the Lightning didn't keep the "same core." When you see long haulers like Stamkos and Hedman and maybe Killorn, those are the last men standing from a team that evolved a lot under Yzerman and Brisebois over the past 10 years.

In net, they went from Dwayne Roloson on the Cinderella 2011 ECF run to getting Ben Bishop for Cory Conacher, who was a young up and coming winger for a brief amount of time. The next year they missed the playoffs and also traded a top 4 defenseman in Kyle Quincey to Detroit for the Andrei Vasilevskiy pick and set themselves up for two starting goalie changes over the next decade.

They also bought out Vincent Lecavalier at the age of 32-33 because his contract was just going to run forever and block them from doing anything. They traded Marty St. Louis who was still in his prime over the Olympic team selection fiasco. Maybe there's a parallel there with Tavares, maybe not, but they did make massive changes to their older core.

In terms of moving out youth, Jonathan Drouin was their highest pick since Hedman and Stamkos in 2013. They ended up trading him for Mikhail Sergachev in 2017 to improve their defense. Teddy Purcell was a roughly Zach Hyman level outer core member. They traded him.

All the while they kept getting better because they drafted Palat, Kucherov, Cirelli and Point and signed guys like Johnson and Gourde. At least two of those guys are better than Stamkos. To use a comparison we would have to be drafting guys in high volume who are in some cases as good or if not better than Matthews, Marner and Nylander.

There's no real equivalency between Toronto and Tampa Bay other than on the most superficial levels that ew both have flashy forwards and wear blue and white. Their build took a very long time, involved massive core changing moves and they had some setbacks but very early on they had a pillar on defense and a couple of blue chip options in goal. They also drafted at an unreal level which we have not done.
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Who is the drafting savant in Tampa? The Leafs should make him an offer he can't refuse. I know Stevie Y built Tampa but they must have a damn good scout there as well. When Yzerman left that organization the new GM built it back better by adding some toughness. Another factor is they have great players who have won in the past with reasonable contracts.
 
Myopic said:
Who is the drafting savant in Tampa? The Leafs should make him an offer he can't refuse. I know Stevie Y built Tampa but they must have a damn good scout there as well. When Yzerman left that organization the new GM built it back better by adding some toughness. Another factor is they have great players who have won in the past with reasonable contracts.
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Al Murray is typically credited with Tampa’s scouting and drafting prowess. Was a Team Canada guy before the Lightning and before that was a scout for the LA Kings.

Al Murray - Director of Amateur Scouting
 
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I am sitting on the fence about the core right now.

The main pieces have been here for five failure seasons.

We have shuffled almost every secondary piece possible, bolstered the defence, even brought in a new goalie.

If we don't have a solid run in the playoffs this year there is no way you don't trade at least one of the core pieces
 
Myopic said:
Who is the drafting savant in Tampa? The Leafs should make him an offer he can't refuse. I know Stevie Y built Tampa but they must have a damn good scout there as well. When Yzerman left that organization the new GM built it back better by adding some toughness. Another factor is they have great players who have won in the past with reasonable contracts.
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IMO the biggest takeaway about Tampa's success is that the first cup was won *12 years* after they drafted their star C #1 OA, and even 9 years after Kucherov.

Their core is older than the Leafs by quite a lot, and they were disappointment f***ups until very recently.

It was "common knowledge" that Tampa was a regular season team and playoff paper tiger.
 
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TOGuy14 said:
I am sitting on the fence about the core right now.

The main pieces have been here for five failure seasons.

We have shuffled almost every secondary piece possible, bolstered the defence, even brought in a new goalie.

If we don't have a solid run in the playoffs this year there is no way you don't trade at least one of the core pieces
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We rnt winning a thing as long as marner and his salary is on this team
 
TheProspector said:
IMO the biggest takeaway about Tampa's success is that the first cup was won *12 years* after they drafted their star C #1 OA, and even 9 years after Kucherov.

Their core is older than the Leafs by quite a lot, and they were disappointment f***ups until very recently.

It was "common knowledge" that Tampa was a regular season team and playoff paper tiger.
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There's nothing comparable to the two teams.

Just stop.
 
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Playoff paper tigers:

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Just horrible

Tampa Bay Lightning Playoff History | 1993 - 2021
 
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hamzarocks said:
Just seeing Matthews, Marner and in the NBA a guy like Ben Simmon's behavior following a horrible playoff loss, makes me really appreciate how crazy of a work ethic guys like Crosby, Mackinnon, and Kobe (RIP) have/had in their playing days.

Win or lose, you would hardly see anything about those guys partying or playing golf after a disappointing playoff loss.

I take for granted the insane work ethic those guys (and other legends) had and just assumed every star player in any sport would be just as determined and driven for greatness as those guys are/were
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There is literally a video of Crosby, Mac, Biz, and Whitney all golfing after Mac and Crosby lost, they look pretty happy.

Players are allowed to have fun. I am sure every single one of them is training during the off-season, I don't think they got to where they are by taking the off-season off.

Matthews' work ethic has been brought up multiple times by people about how he tries to improve certain things every year and works on new stuff. Didn't McDavid just go train with him the last off-season?

Why do people just make up stuff like it is fact?
 
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notbias said:
There is literally a video of Crosby, Mac, Biz, and Whitney all golfing after Mac and Crosby lost, they look pretty happy.

Players are allowed to have fun. I am sure every single one of them is training during the off-season, I don't think they got to where they are by taking the off-season off.

Matthews' work ethic has been brought up multiple times by people about how he tries to improve certain things every year and works on new stuff. Didn't McDavid just go train with him the last off-season?

Why do people just make up stuff like it is fact?
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The goal is to see who can make the dumbest post and then others try to top it. Been going on for weeks now and the bar is continually re-set.
 
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TheProspector said:
IMO the biggest takeaway about Tampa's success is that the first cup was won *12 years* after they drafted their star C #1 OA, and even 9 years after Kucherov.

Their core is older than the Leafs by quite a lot, and they were disappointment f***ups until very recently.

It was "common knowledge" that Tampa was a regular season team and playoff paper tiger.
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Omg, get outta here with your logic.

Anyone doubting it should go back and read some 2019 threads. They're not very kind to Cooper, Stammer, Kuch, etc.
 
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TheProspector said:
IMO the biggest takeaway about Tampa's success is that the first cup was won *12 years* after they drafted their star C #1 OA, and even 9 years after Kucherov.

Their core is older than the Leafs by quite a lot, and they were disappointment f***ups until very recently.

It was "common knowledge" that Tampa was a regular season team and playoff paper tiger.
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The biggest takeaway from this is that TB had a number of deep playoff runs prior to their cup wins, including THREE losses in the conference finals and one loss in the SC final

Everyone talking like TB went from first round losses to juggernaut when in reality they have been making deep runs for a while now

We do they same one and done every season without fail
 
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