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I think there are some options out there right now like Rielly for Jones or Marner for Eichel as examples where they could trade star for star and they can try coming at the post season with different faces for next season. But, as soon as you start to take away you run the risk that you regress and not progress. The fresh face could be less productive.

I think they can re-sign Rielly on a team friendly deal around 6.5M for another 6 or 7 years. He's 27 now and will be 34 or 35 by the end of that deal. He's a young #1 defenseman and the Leafs are a playoff team with star talent surrounding him. Teams like the Sharks and Caps didn't bail on their players and they were rewarded with a lot of playoff success.

I think I would change the mix up if it were me. But, I'd be satisified with simply changing the supporting cast into well rounded bone crushers instead.
 
Racer88 said:
It will be interesting to see if they can fix the PP. I think that will tell us more about the team then anything.
Without at least a decent PP they will go nowhere
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It doesn't even appear as though anyone is even losing their job over that abysmal PP, so I don't have much faith in them fixing the PP that wasn't broken until they decided to break it.
 
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I know everyone loves hating on the core right now, but let's face it, it is much, MUCH easier to find a few cheap tough guy players to fill in the weak areas than it is to find generational scorers.
 
TGB said:
I know everyone loves hating on the core right now, but let's face it, it is much, MUCH easier to find a few cheap tough guy players to fill in the weak areas than it is to find generational scorers.
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Maybe if those “generational” scorers would score in the playoffs, it wouldn’t matter who the cheap tough guys are
 
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Its sad they are keeping the trash around. I mean, obviously they are regular season producers, but the blood is on the wall. They cant do shit in the playoffs. All that talk about Marner and Matthews being Kane and Towes esque, the lack of playoff success says enough, but their play just isnt at that level. Even if they still lost, that can be accepted. It's how these bums go about losing. No effort, no points.
 
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TGB said:
I know everyone loves hating on the core right now, but let's face it, it is much, MUCH easier to find a few cheap tough guy players to fill in the weak areas than it is to find generational scorers.
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When those generational scorers don't do shit in the playoffs, it's a moot point.
 
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you have to stay with the core until they are past their primes. You can't giveup on them when physically they are capable of being stronger better. Once they have peaked and there is no way they can comeback and have career years it would be time to move on and lick our wounds.
 
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I’m ok with them keeping the core as long as they have a plan in place for how to build a strong team around them with the limited cap space they have.
 
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DuncanMacpherson said:
I’m ok with them keeping the core as long as they have a plan in place for how to build a strong team around them with the limited cap space they have.
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What plan could they possible have? We don't have prospects like Caufield who can step in immediately and make a difference for <1M, and we only have 1 other forward on the team that makes more than 1.75M (and it's Kerfoot at 3.5M, which you're barely getting any cap savings from if you move).

I guess you could move Rielly, slot Sandin in the top 4, and free up ~4M or so. But if the plan is to try to win a Stanley cup with Muzzin, Brodie, Holl, and Sandin as our top 4, it's a pretty bad plan. If Anderson's replacement costs ~2.5M, we'll have freed up 2.5M there, but pretty much every penny of that will be going to re-signing Hyman, or towards finding an adequate Hyman replacement in free agency.

So the plan is essentially to go bargain bin shopping again and hope for ~5-6 Spezza/Bogosian signings, and fewer Thornton, Barabanov, Lehtonen, Simmonds, Boyd, Vesey, etc signings. Which is frankly a bad plan.
 
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613Leafer said:
What plan could they possible have? We don't have prospects like Caufield who can step in immediately and make a difference for <1M, and we only have 1 other forward on the team that makes more than 1.75M (and it's Kerfoot at 3.5M, which you're barely getting any cap savings from if you move).

I guess you could move Rielly, slot Sandin in the top 4, and free up ~4M or so. But if the plan is to try to win a Stanley cup with Muzzin, Brodie, Holl, and Sandin as our top 4, it's a pretty bad plan. If Anderson's replacement costs ~2.5M, we'll have freed up 2.5M there, but pretty much every penny of that will be going to re-signing Hyman, or towards finding an adequate Hyman replacement in free agency.

So the plan is essentially to go bargain bin shopping again and hope for ~5-6 Spezza/Bogosian signings, and fewer Thornton, Barabanov, Lehtonen, Simmonds, Boyd, Vesey, etc signings. Which is frankly a bad plan.
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Ya it’s gonna be tough for sure, Just wait til next season when Rielly is due a big raise and the cap may still be flat. Management is gonna have to get creative.
 
TGB said:
I know everyone loves hating on the core right now, but let's face it, it is much, MUCH easier to find a few cheap tough guy players to fill in the weak areas than it is to find generational scorers.
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You mean those generational scores that go invisible during the playoff…….
 
Confucius said:
you have to stay with the core until they are past their primes. You can't giveup on them when physically they are capable of being stronger better. Once they have peaked and there is no way they can comeback and have career years it would be time to move on and lick our wounds.
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So you would keep the band together for another 3-5 yrs of not making it out of the 1st round before moving on from at least one of them?
 
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613Leafer said:
What plan could they possible have? We don't have prospects like Caufield who can step in immediately and make a difference for <1M, and we only have 1 other forward on the team that makes more than 1.75M (and it's Kerfoot at 3.5M, which you're barely getting any cap savings from if you move).
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That is a crazy stat
 
Keeping the core together is only fine if they don’t play on the same lines.
If next year I see the same duos, that’s not doing anything at all.
The 10mil plus players need to split up in order to maximize their values.
Let these players know that it means nothing if the team lose in the playoffs.
Individual stats means nothing.
If they still don’t understand that or Keefe and Dubas keep pushing the narratives that certain players need to play together….screw them and they should all be fired.
 
I am not disappointed that they will (more than likely) stick with the core. I am disappointed that they have contracts that make it impossible to trade them for fair value.
 
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Dreakmur said:
We don't need tough guys, we need offensive players who drive to the net instead of curl away.
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Exactly and you can’t get those guys when you have no money left because 3 players took a gigantic share of the cap
 
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