Andersen decision looming for Leafs

[Ziggdiezan]

Neither Andy or Campbell were solely to blame for the playoff losses. Neither was Marner.

It was a collection of issues starting with an inability to grind out wins against teams who sit back ala Montreal/Columbus, an inability to close out series, lack of killer instinct, bad performances from key players across the lineup, bad power play, stupid pinches from defenders whereby the forward never covers them, unfortunately injuries/suspension, bad coaching decisions across the board and in general just a bad attitude with no ability to learn from mistakes.

 

[deprw]

so if Campbell's muffins in 3 straight close out games caused us to be mentally weak and play poorly why are so many fans dumping on Mitch for his playoff performance ?

I think it's ironic that were dumping on Marner and then some fantasize still having Freddy. You could say that both need or needed change of scenery, though like I said I wouldn't have traded Marner last off-season, but next I might depending of the outcome of this season.

I think sometimes it's better to move on. Andersen had his shot here and Toronto had shot with Andersen.

 

[Legion34]

Assuming you mean Game 7 2018.

Boston led 3-2 after 1
Toronto led 4-3 after 2

Andersen let in 3 in the 3rd . A screen from the point......DeBrusk with a weak one......Pasta all alone in the slot.
Marchand into the EN

He never allowed 6 in the 3rd

no he allowed 6 total. He was given multiple leads including in the third and couldn’t do it.

after 4 years of having the second best goalie it was time.

I’m not saying mrazek was better. I wanted to try to get a younger vanacek or hill or older halak to help.

we need a goalie pipeline. Our hopes are petruzelli at this point

 

[harvestglen]

Whether it's Freddie, Lamoriello, Hyman, I think it's a mistake to assume any of them would spell success here. In fact, we had all three during the miserable Game 1/2/7 in 2018.

 

[talenttracer]

Yeah, against Columbus he was here longer, those kind of goals make teams mentally weak, because you can't trust your goalie which affects your play. You don't play like you should, when you have to over defend.

What a load of bullcrap.

 

[Nineteen67]

Very weak example as Matthews deflected that shot.

Very weak goal. Matthews was trying to back check but that’s was a stoppable shot. Campbell wasn’t great in games 5,6, and 7.

 

[Menzinger]

That was his best series and he was outplayed by korpi. Who is a backup.

It’s undisputed that he was the worst goalie in every playoff series here. That’s the issue.

if he turns it around. Good for him. But can’t change what happened over the past 2 years

This is exactly it.

Was clear as day to even an external observer that both Freddy and the team were done with one another - with part of it being mental.

 

[PromisedLand]

LMAO at some of the posts here. So it wasn't the defense, or GM or the freakin' coach that are ever in the wrong. It was Freddie eh?

An absolute JOKE of coaching against CBJ, offense cannot score goals and people were blaming Freddie for a loss. That CBJ series told me exactly who the posters are : Leafs fan or Dubas fans.

Btw Freddie says hi from Carolina....

 

[Tak7]

LMAO at some of the posts here. So it wasn't the defense, or GM or the freakin' coach that are ever in the wrong. It was Freddie eh?

An absolute JOKE of coaching against CBJ, offense cannot score goals and people were blaming Freddie for a loss. That CBJ series told me exactly who the posters are : Leafs fan or Dubas fans.

Btw Freddie says hi from Carolina....

Freddie had 6 strong starts in a row at times in Toronto, too.

Consistency, mentality, and health were his major issues here. I'm glad to see him doing well, but it was the right decision to move on from him - the goalie we are seeing in Carolina isn't the same one that we saw here, and suggesting otherwise, is purely malicious & an attempt to goad reactions.

 

[Bomber0104]

Freddie had 6 strong starts in a row at times in Toronto, too.

Consistency, mentality, and health were his major issues here. I'm glad to see him doing well, but it was the right decision to move on from him - the goalie we are seeing in Carolina isn't the same one that we saw here, and suggesting otherwise, is purely malicious & an attempt to goad reactions.

He is in fact the same goalie.

A few months doesn't change anything.

He's playing for a different, better team without systemic coaching and defensive issues.

That's the only difference here.

All of the scapegoat takes and judgments levied against him over the past few years are proving to be more and more wrong/embarrassing with each and every passing game played by the Canes and the Leafs.

 

[hockeyes]

A goalie goes on a 6 game hot streak and now half this forum is trying to rewrite history.

 

[egd27]

When did Fred start going downhill here? Around the Dec-Jan of 2019?

 

[Tak7]

He is in fact the same goalie.

A few months doesn't change anything.

He's playing for a different, better team without systemic coaching and defensive issues.

That's the only difference here.

All of the scapegoat takes and judgments levied against him over the past few years are proving to be more and more wrong/embarrassing with each and every passing game played by the Canes and the Leafs.

They aren't wrong, and I stick by that - the Leafs produced much better defensive results the past 2 years, and Freddie was putting up below league average numbers.

Contrast that with Jack Campbell's numbers, who played behind the same defense/structure/system that Freddie did, and excelled?

How do you reconcile those facts in your head, and still come out with FREDDIE HATERS WERE WRONG ?

The guy struggled to track basic point shots through minimal traffic, but you want me to believe he's the exact same goalie?

Give it a rest. Bruce Boudreau coached Freddie a lot in Anaheim, and if his former coach started questioning his mentality & ability to play through niggling little injuries, that's far more impactful than what some poster on a message board says.

 

[Buds17]

Andersen has been a workhorse in Carolina and Campbell has been the equivalent here thus far. Something would have to give in that aspect if both were still Toronto Maple Leafs.

 

[Bomber0104]

They aren't wrong, and I stick by that - the Leafs produced much better defensive results the past 2 years, and Freddie was putting up below league average numbers.

Playing in the mighty North division?

And let me guess, you judge a team's "defence" by a who-shoots-the-puck-closer-to-the-net metric.

Contrast that with Jack Campbell's numbers, who played behind the same defense/structure/system that Freddie did, and excelled?

Well, Freddie was injured for a good part of last year, confirmed by his stints on the IR, his own words in interviews, and play on the ice...

I get it though, you have extremely high expectations still, for injured goalies.

How do you reconcile those facts in your head, and still come out with FREDDIE HATERS WERE WRONG ?

Because he's the best goalie in the league so far?

I think that's rather obvious.

The guy struggled to track basic point shots through minimal traffic, but you want me to believe he's the exact same goalie?

And again, changing teams, he magically no longer has these problems!

That's what happens when you have competent defence playing in front of you as opposed to the garbage the Leafs play.

Give it a rest. Bruce Boudreau coached Freddie a lot in Anaheim, and if his former coach started questioning his mentality & ability to play through niggling little injuries, that's far more impactful than what some poster on a message board says.

He can question all he wants.

He's got the best numbers in the league right now.

Not much to question really.

 

[Tak7]

Not much to question really.

You mean, other than :

• His consistency?
• His mentality/confidence issues?
• Ability to play under pressure?
• Ability to handle pressure?
• Ability to play in meaningful playoff games?

Look, if Fred goes on to have awesome success in Carolina, I'll be happy for him.

But it's going to take more than 6 games to convince me that he's all of a sudden an elite goaltender without the warts he showed us the past 2 seasons.

Plus, Jack Campbell.

 

[Bomber0104]

You mean, other than :

• His consistency?
• His mentality/confidence issues?
• Ability to play under pressure?
• Ability to handle pressure?
• Ability to play in meaningful playoff games?

Look, if Fred goes on to have awesome success in Carolina, I'll be happy for him.

But it's going to take more than 6 games to convince me that he's all of a sudden an elite goaltender without the warts he showed us the past 2 seasons.

Plus, Jack Campbell.

Most of those things are a product of the team defence/structure/coaching that he was playing under in Toronto.

All of the same things that you can also ask of Marner/Matthews/Tavares too, scoring zero goals in the Columbus play-in elimination game.

How was THEIR consistency? How was THEIR ability to play under pressure? How THEIR ability to "handle" pressure (that's the same thing no?)? How was THEIR ability to play in meaningful playoff games?

But again, just a few months later, healthy and signed with a new team where those things aren't weaknesses but strengths, and he's back to putting up a steady stream of wins and exceptional numbers to boot.

It's not a coincidence.

 

[Tak7]

Most of those things are a product of the team defence/structure/coaching that he was playing under in Toronto.

And yet, Jack Campbell has managed to do it lol.

Enjoy the rest of your Friday, bud.

 

[Bomber0104]

And yet, Jack Campbell has managed to do it lol.

Enjoy the rest of your Friday, bud.

Blew a 3-1 first-round series lead to Montreal?

Yeah, imagine if Freddie did something like that.

Like a poster above mentioned, the cognitive dissonance is on full display here.

 

[Tak7]

Blew a 3-1 first-round series lead to Montreal?

Yeah, imagine if Freddie did something like that.

Like a poster above mentioned, the cognitive dissonance is on full display here.

Outperformed Price.

When's the last time Freddie outperformed a goalie in the playoffs?

Answers on a postcard, please.

 

[Bomber0104]

Outperformed Price.

When's the last time Freddie outperformed a goalie in the playoffs?

Answers on a postcard, please.

If he out-performed him he would have won in Games 5, 6, or 7 and advanced to the next round.

If we're using your criteria, I guess you have to question his consistency, ability to play under pressure, ability to handle pressure, ability to play in meaningful playoff games, and mentality/confidence...

All of those are fair game when you can't seal the deal with a 3-1 series lead IMO.

 

[The Apologist]

If he out-performed him he would have won in Games 5, 6, or 7 and advanced to the next round.

If we're using your criteria, I guess you have to question his consistency, ability to play under pressure, ability to handle pressure, ability to play in meaningful playoff games, and mentality/confidence...

All of those are fair game when you can't seal the deal with a 3-1 series lead IMO.

I too wish Campbell had scored more goals.

 

[hamzarocks]

I too wish Campbell had scored more goals.

Same can be said for Andersen in 2019 and 2020

Those losses to Boston and CBJ he got 1 goal in game 7 and 5 for support

Those two years were a collective team choke with the players being more at fault for me

2018 the 7-4 game 7 loss andersen cost and wasn't good at all that series

2017 he played solid but overall thr team wasn't expected to win and we lost a close 2-1 game in OY T vs the caps in gm 6

 

[saffronleaf]

Freddy has had stretches of elite goaltending with the Leafs, but those stretches became smaller and less frequent over time.

Too hard to judge this early into the new season. Lets see. I'm hoping well for him, but it would be a surprise to me if he is able to come through during high pressure situations for Carolina. Granted, it is a better team, so the odds are better.

 

[IPS]

Freddy is weak in the playoffs, this isn't even a question. He drove Ducks fans totally bonkers with how much he shrunk in the playoffs. He shit the bed in horrible fashion against Dallas and Chicago in 2014 and 2015 respectively.