Andersen decision looming for Leafs

[ToneDog]

That was his best series and he was outplayed by korpi. Who is a backup.

It’s undisputed that he was the worst goalie in every playoff series here. That’s the issue.

if he turns it around. Good for him. But can’t change what happened over the past 2 years

Agree about Freddy's play the last two years but Gary makes a good point about the failure of the big 4 to score in the playoffs. Freddy played more than well enough to win had the rest of the team done their part vs CBJ. Having said that Freddy still needs to show he can do it in the playoffs.

 

[Gary Nylund]

That was his best series and he was outplayed by korpi. Who is a backup.

It’s undisputed that he was the worst goalie in every playoff series here. That’s the issue.

if he turns it around. Good for him. But can’t change what happened over the past 2 years

We seem to specialize in making opposing goalies look good. Either that or it's just some bizarre coincidence that every goalie we play, plays our of their mind.

You win in the playoffs when your team outplays the other team. The goalie however, doesn't need to outplay the opposing goalie, he just needs to be good enough to give his team a chance. And when you bitch about the goalie with the .936 SV% thereby letting the "elite" forwards who are being paid to carry the load but can't even score one freaking goal in the deciding game off the hook, you are completely missing the point.

 

[Legion34]

We seem to specialize in making opposing goalies look good. Either that or it's just some bizarre coincidence that every goalie we play, plays our of their mind.

You win in the playoffs when your team outplays the other team. The goalie however, doesn't need to outplay the opposing goalie, he just needs to be good enough to give his team a chance. And when you bitch about the goalie with the .936 SV% thereby letting the "elite" forwards who are being paid to carry the load but can't even score one freaking goal in the deciding game off the hook, you are completely missing the point.

4 times in a row. That’s the issue. Any single time. Sure. But 4 times. In a row. 4 different goalies.

freddie didn’t get beat by great shots. He let in ridiculous goals in elimination games.

that’s the only point in regards to fred.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Unfortunately this board has become so polar that a lot of people hated on and scapegoated Andy because he was a Lou addition and not a Dubas add. Therefore if you throw all the blame on Andy it couldn't have been Dubas fault the leafs got bounced again. Its the damn goalie Lou added.

It was laughably obvious. That being said he is a confidence player and his confidence here was shot. Needed to move on to regain his form I think

It seems like every goalie we have gets crapped, even Campbell last season and it's just nutso.

There was no way we were going to keep Freddie. Giving him the contract he got from CAR just made no sense considering how bad he saw the last 2 years. He was good in the playoffs against CLB though, I gotta give him that and people blaming him for losing to CLB are just missing the point by miles and miles and miles. The CLB goalies weren't even that great from what I saw. They were good sure but so many of our shots hit them in chest or the post or the one that really stood out was Tavares missing the empty net. The stats show a ton of high danger chances but what they don't show is that we f***ed up most of them and made their goalies numbers look amazing. That was one occasion where the eye test was much, much better than the stats.

 

[robertmac43]

Freddie was always going to be better this year. A true off-season to get healthy and then playing in front of a really D-core front to back.

 

[saltming]

We seem to specialize in making opposing goalies look good. Either that or it's just some bizarre coincidence that every goalie we play, plays our of their mind.

You win in the playoffs when your team outplays the other team. The goalie however, doesn't need to outplay the opposing goalie, he just needs to be good enough to give his team a chance. And when you bitch about the goalie with the .936 SV% thereby letting the "elite" forwards who are being paid to carry the load but can't even score one freaking goal in the deciding game off the hook, you are completely missing the point.

My thoughts on this are that the play book on the top 6 is written and the teams coach their goalies to play the leafs as a pass first team, so goalies are ready to jump to the other side to make the 10 bell save.
This, IMHO, is also why they are trying the crash and bang the net strategy now. The chaos it creates in front of the net is unreadable and should make for a harder team to coach a goalie for

 

[Bomber0104]

4 times in a row. That’s the issue. Any single time. Sure. But 4 times. In a row. 4 different goalies.

freddie didn’t get beat by great shots. He let in ridiculous goals in elimination games.

that’s the only point in regards to fred.

And the Leafs consistently fail to score in elimination games.

Expecting your goalie to be perfect in the face of an offence that is way too soft and easy to shut down is and always has been a ridiculous argument to make.

Again, watching Fred have immediate success with a team that plays competent defence is a lesson for everyone who just wanted a scapegoat for the Leafs offensive and defensive issues.

 

[Gary Nylund]

4 times in a row. That’s the issue. Any single time. Sure. But 4 times. In a row. 4 different goalies.

freddie didn’t get beat by great shots. He let in ridiculous goals in elimination games.

that’s the only point in regards to fred.

Goalies don't lose playoff series, teams do. And putting all the blame on the goalie when you can't even score one goal is just insane. If you don't understand that then agree to disagree, nothing else to discuss. Andy's gone anyway, time to move on.

 

[ACC1224]

Freddy is playing behind a team that knows to play defence.
Campbell doesn't.

But we’ve always been told the Leaf defense is better than Carolina, really better than pretty much every team. Something doesn’t add up here.

 

[Legion34]

And the Leafs fail to score in elimination games.

Expecting your goalie to be perfect in the face of an offence that is way too soft and easy to shut down is and always has been a ridiculous argument to make.

Every other goalie could do it against the leafs. Multiple times the leafs outplayed and outshot the competition or had a 3rd period lead.

I loved Freddie. But the last 2 years he was terrible. He wasn’t doing it here. If he does it somewhere else. Good for him. To deny reality is ridiculous.

look at his last 2 years. Completely fell off.

 

[Gary Nylund]

My thoughts on this are that the play book on the top 6 is written and the teams coach their goalies to play the leafs as a pass first team, so goalies are ready to jump to the other side to make the 10 bell save.
This, IMHO, is also why they are trying the crash and bang the net strategy now. The chaos it creates in front of the net is unreadable and should make for a harder team to coach a goalie for

Should have been the plan years ago IMO. Goalies are really good these days and tough to beat with shots that aren't deflected when there's no traffic in front.

 

[justloveleafs]

A member of our parish cracked us all up...He was having open heart surgery and slipped into a coma and had a visit to hell...

He described the mounds upon mounds of tormented people all moaning and groaning, the smell of sulphur the incredible heat etc.....

When asked to compare it to anything on earth, he matter of factly said, well, its very much like being a Torronto Maple leaf fan...

 

[Bomber0104]

Every other goalie could do it against the leafs. Multiple times the leafs outplayed and outshot the competition or had a 3rd period lead.

I loved Freddie. But the last 2 years he was terrible. He wasn’t doing it here. If he does it somewhere else. Good for him. To deny reality is ridiculous.

look at his last 2 years. Completely fell off.

Denying reality would be expecting to win when a team scores 0 goals, like we did against Columbus.

You're aware that it is impossible to win a playoff hockey game scoring 0 goals, right? Because that isn't clear by what you're posting.

And furthermore, what the other teams' goalie does has everything to do with the Leafs' soft and easy to play against offence, and exactly nothing to do with the goalie 200 feet down the ice.

 

[Peasy]

Man its early. Freddy has had several of these stretches with the Leafs lol. Does everyone just randomly forget this?

 

[saltming]

Should have been the plan years ago IMO. Goalies are really good these days and tough to beat with shots that aren't deflected when there's no traffic in front.

100%

Thats how playoffs are won: battles in front of the net. That's why the spezza line is doing so well, they know that game. Other than Tavares, the top 6 are used to dipsy doodling their way to success. It's a steep learning curve and that last period was good, but they need to make that the normal from the puck drop

 

[saltming]

Man its early. Freddy has had several of these stretches with the Leafs lol. Does everyone just randomly forget this?

Sorry didn't you get the memo? It's titled November Freddie
Apparently he always sucks in October and November, get warm for a couple month, then sucks again.
I've read it thousands of times now so it must be the truth

 

[ToneDog]

Man its early. Freddy has had several of these stretches with the Leafs lol. Does everyone just randomly forget this?

You are correct but never in October.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

It seems like every goalie we have gets crapped, even Campbell last season and it's just nutso.

There was no way we were going to keep Freddie. Giving him the contract he got from CAR just made no sense considering how bad he saw the last 2 years. He was good in the playoffs against CLB though, I gotta give him that and people blaming him for losing to CLB are just missing the point by miles and miles and miles. The CLB goalies weren't even that great from what I saw. They were good sure but so many of our shots hit them in chest or the post or the one that really stood out was Tavares missing the empty net. The stats show a ton of high danger chances but what they don't show is that we f***ed up most of them and made their goalies numbers look amazing. That was one occasion where the eye test was much, much better than the stats.

I definitely agree and think the entire playoffs goalie debate isn't due to one factor but a combinations of factors (like most things in life). Definitely some of the series' Andy was outplayed but that is also due to other teams having a killer instict and the leafs not having one at all. As you said, lots of shots right into the logo, posts, missed shots etc while other teams take their more limited chances and score.

At some point if you have invested all your money into forwards, you have to put up some goals in deciding games. If getting a good goalies can mitigate the impact of 40 million dollars worth of forwards then the leafs should be selling the farm to get a good goalie.

 

[Nineteen67]

Campbell is just as bad or maybe even worse.

 

[Bomber0104]

Campbell is just as bad or maybe even worse.

If that was Andersen in net, that would have been called a "backbreaker".

 

[Nineteen67]

If that was Andersen in net, that would have been called a "backbreaker".

It was a back breaker and was as bad or worse than anything Andersen let in. The big difference is Campbell did it three games in a row.

 

[sparxx87]

It was a back breaker and was as bad or worse than anything Andersen let in. The big difference is Campbell did it three games in a row.

Another very important detail.

As much as we all agree Freddy should have had that Krug point shot in game 7, don’t forget:



There wouldn’t have been a game 7 if Andersen didn’t steal game 6.

 

[deprw]

Denying reality would be expecting to win when a team scores 0 goals, like we did against Columbus.

You're aware that it is impossible to win a playoff hockey game scoring 0 goals, right? Because that isn't clear by what you're posting.

And furthermore, what the other teams' goalie does has everything to do with the Leafs' soft and easy to play against offence, and exactly nothing to do with the goalie 200 feet down the ice.

Freddy was out played by other goalie in every playoff series he played here and was never great in game seven. Those are facts and we moved on. We love to moan about every short coming of our present players, but once player leaves we love to hang on to those better qualities. 3 years Freddy was great during the regular season and better than ok in the playoffs. If we'd signed him for same contract Carolina did, we would be reminded of those playoffs moments when talking about him. Now when we didn't we kept reminded about regular season.

It's what it is. Freddy is playing for Hurricanes now and good for him, if he figures out in game sevens. It was reasonable decision to move on.

 

[Bomber0104]

Freddy was out played by other goalie in every playoff series he played here and was never great in game seven. Those are facts and we moved on. We love to moan about every short coming of our present players, but once player leaves we love to hang on to those better qualities. 3 years Freddy was great during the regular season and better than ok in the playoffs. If we'd signed him for same contract Carolina did, we would be reminded of those playoffs moments when talking about him. Now when we didn't we kept reminded about regular season.

It's what it is. Freddy is playing for Hurricanes now and good for him, if he figures out in game sevens. It was reasonable decision to move on.

I repeat:

And furthermore, what the other teams' goalie does has everything to do with the Leafs' soft and easy to play against offence, and exactly nothing to do with the goalie 200 feet down the ice.

None of what you wrote has anything to do with my post and you're just recycling the same old lazy, debunked talking points, which are getting even worse now that Freddie is back to putting up elite numbers with Carolina.

 

[Legion34]

If that was Andersen in net, that would have been called a "backbreaker".

not the first time. But 4 years in letting in goals like that in game 7. Absolutely. I gave Freddie a pass in the first 3 years.

then the fourth. Against korpisalo. And looking like a beer leaguer in net in year 5 sealed the deal.