Analyzing Management and Development

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Kupari’s line needs work. You’ve got him, Moore (not in last years form) Andersson (Who I like) Grundstrom (Probably won’t be on the team in a year) and Brown. Not to mention Vilardi. With so many guys someone is going to get left out. I imagine they will tinker with that line for awhile.

And the problem here is those guys have been objectively bad. Brown can/should sit a game, as should Moore. Kupari is fading but hard to tell if that's because of Brown and Moore. Grundstrom was playing the best hockey of his career and got benched. If the other lines are 'working' to some degree, then the vets on this line should stop getting extended rope and rotate in the youth. Grundstrom - Kupari - Andersson with what we have.

Like I said I'm no HUGE fan of Kupari, I think he is what he is and they're just trying to extract some value for him in favor of our other Cs if they're not ever going to move him to W. But he's being piano'ed right now by vets and he'll be the one that gets benched for it. THAT is the problem--that's not a future-focused development OR a now focused development.
 
And the problem here is those guys have been objectively bad. Brown can/should sit a game, as should Moore. Kupari is fading but hard to tell if that's because of Brown and Moore. Grundstrom was playing the best hockey of his career and got benched. If the other lines are 'working' to some degree, then the vets on this line should stop getting extended rope and rotate in the youth. Grundstrom - Kupari - Andersson with what we have.

Like I said I'm no HUGE fan of Kupari, I think he is what he is and they're just trying to extract some value for him in favor of our other Cs if they're not ever going to move him to W. But he's being piano'ed right now by vets and he'll be the one that gets benched for it. THAT is the problem--that's not a future-focused development OR a now focused development.
I get the frustration. I think honestly that LA is invested more in Moore than Grundstrom. I like Grundstrom but as I said, I think he isn’t long for LA.

The only thing I can think of is something Stothers said on Chiclets. It is hard to work through issues if you are sitting. Maybe they are trying to jump start Moore and Brown. Is it the right call, we all have opinions I guess.

I don’t have answers but I think NHL people are pretty smart. The majority soured on Sutter and called for DL to adapt. We were ok with a rebuild and refresh from a stale product. TMac and Blake aren’t the previous regime. I think it’s ok to question them but I feel like there is a willful effort to discredit their decisions and motives. I’m not even a rah rah guy for either of them. Just trying to look at things objectively.
 
Brown isn't at the point where he's "working through issues". Let's be honest, his success last season was solely on the PP. His double shoulder surgery was supposed to help fix the issues he's had. But it's obvious that it hasn't.
Love the 2 Cups, but this isn't ending well.
 
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Brown isn't at the point where he's "working through issues". Let's be honest, his success last season was solely on the PP. His double shoulder surgery was supposed to help fix the issues he's had. But it's obvious that it hasn't.
Love the 2 Cups, but this isn't ending well.
He is not up to par. They spoke to him. Took him off kopi’s line. We will see what’s next. But I don’t think anyone should expect an immediate healthy scratch. Could be coming tho.
 
He is not up to par. They spoke to him. Took him off kopi’s line. We will see what’s next. But I don’t think anyone should expect an immediate healthy scratch. Could be coming tho.

Definitely deserves to be a healthy scratch. Not sure why deserve doesn't apply to both Brown and lets pick Grundstrum? One was playing productive minutes while the other was not, is not.
What's frustrating is that many here including myself believe that they are not icing the best possible team to win games.
 
How do you get rid of Brown in his last season? Thanks for the last 18 years, please f*** off.

At the end of the day no matter how much people complain about Brown he'll go down as one of the best LA Kings players and will be looked back on with admiration for all he's done. But as the cliche goes, it's a results oriented business and Brown is not cutting it.

And he's made almost 70 million dollars playing for LA. If I made 70 million bucks, they could tell me to f*** off too and I'd be ok with it honestly.
 
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I get the frustration. I think honestly that LA is invested more in Moore than Grundstrom. I like Grundstrom but as I said, I think he isn’t long for LA.

The only thing I can think of is something Stothers said on Chiclets. It is hard to work through issues if you are sitting. Maybe they are trying to jump start Moore and Brown. Is it the right call, we all have opinions I guess.

I don’t have answers but I think NHL people are pretty smart. The majority soured on Sutter and called for DL to adapt. We were ok with a rebuild and refresh from a stale product. TMac and Blake aren’t the previous regime. I think it’s ok to question them but I feel like there is a willful effort to discredit their decisions and motives. I’m not even a rah rah guy for either of them. Just trying to look at things objectively.


I am as well, but that's why it's frustrating. Yes, IMO after so many poor-looking decisions I have a cynical bias, but I mean, I've outlined a LOT of decisions from this year I have problems with, and most of them aren't just moving a guy from one line to another.

I think the Grundstrom thing is an example. That's not even a guy I was high on, figured he'd have been moved before this year as he's been a tweener. But when he does draw in and shows you what he's got, and he's got more than two guys that are much older, why bench him for nothing? He's helping you win now AND in the future. Same goes for Clague; they made the (poor) evaluation that they prefer Maatta and Wolanin, and waived Clague and waived and lost Wolanin. Maatta is by any measure the worst player on the team and it doesn't even make sense--we have veterans in Doughty/Edler, middle age guys in Roy and Walker, and solid sophomores in Bjornfot/Anderson--why purge the guys with higher end current AND future game in favor of a loser who will be gone next year anyway? It would kind of make sense if Maatta was a better current player than anyone but he's not.

After verbalizing it, my bigger problem is the asset management side of it. We ALL know some of these guys will have to go; i just figured it would be the Brown, AA, maybe even Moore tier of guys who are later in their careers, fulfilled their potential, and aren't taking us to the next level, but instead, we're sucking the value out of the youth and TRYING to dumpster guys like Clague, Grundstrom, before we even know what they can be. Luckily, in spite of their poor decisions, Clague has come in and middle fingered them (i'm sure he'll be traded for peanuts later) and Kaliyev found success on a line in spite of it being the 4th.

We can't fill holes with all our assets until we find out what holes we have--but we can't find out what holes we have until we play the kids. Right now we're just in purgatory, which is frustrating in and of itself, but also rapidly depreciating A-/B+ assets in favor of clearly-suffering vets.
 
Well, we do have a 20 and 22 year old eating around 20 minutes a night on defense, the area of the prospect pool believed to be much weaker than the forwards. So that's nice.

It's tough when you are an NHL coach and you've pretty much been in every game. So many one goal games so it is hard to move away from vets in favor of rookies unless they are amazing. The NHL isn't a developmental league so the GM kind of has to force the coaches hand by giving him the roster full of kids.

Pretty sure the plan was to compete for (or make) the playoffs while potentially adding more youth during the season that would potentially push out some of the weaker links. I still think that is in the cards and there will be more injuries that open up spots.

2012 team had Trent Hunter and Ethan Moreau getting games through January and beyond. If this current squad is supposed to be kind of a mix between the 2009 and 2010 rebuild teams (probably more of 2008 and 2009 team), those teams had Brandon Segal, Randy Jones, Preissing, Gauthier, Zeiler, Armstrong and Calder getting games and minutes while we were probably like "Put this guy in now" etc.

It's frustrating right now but I'm not ready to crucify Blake for who is up in LA and who is down in Ontario and I don't even like the guy. They should know more than anyone what they have in the prospect pool and if they don't think they are ready at the moment then that is that. What that does, for me anyways, is to start questioning how good this prospect pool really is since I've been hammering the point that Lombardi put together Top 5 prospect pools and so many of the top dudes that propelled the rankings did not meet the hype. You eventually have to find out what you have though and, as much as I dislike the guy, Blake wasn't afraid to mix prospects in last season to get a taste and he put Kaliyev on the team out of camp. I think we will see more prospects draw into the lineup throughout the year: I'll start to bash Blake again if that doesn't happen.

Byfield is the answer. If he steps in and is dynamic, it really lifts the entire pool just like Doughty did for Lombardi's draft record. If that winds up being a miss, Blake is f***ed.
 
Well, we do have a 20 and 22 year old eating around 20 minutes a night on defense, the area of the prospect pool believed to be much weaker than the forwards. So that's nice.

It's tough when you are an NHL coach and you've pretty much been in every game. So many one goal games so it is hard to move away from vets in favor of rookies unless they are amazing. The NHL isn't a developmental league so the GM kind of has to force the coaches hand by giving him the roster full of kids.

Pretty sure the plan was to compete for (or make) the playoffs while potentially adding more youth during the season that would potentially push out some of the weaker links. I still think that is in the cards and there will be more injuries that open up spots.

2012 team had Trent Hunter and Ethan Moreau getting games through January and beyond. If this current squad is supposed to be kind of a mix between the 2009 and 2010 rebuild teams (probably more of 2008 and 2009 team), those teams had Brandon Segal, Randy Jones, Preissing, Gauthier, Zeiler, Armstrong and Calder getting games and minutes while we were probably like "Put this guy in now" etc.

It's frustrating right now but I'm not ready to crucify Blake for who is up in LA and who is down in Ontario and I don't even like the guy. They should know more than anyone what they have in the prospect pool and if they don't think they are ready at the moment then that is that. What that does, for me anyways, is to start questioning how good this prospect pool really is since I've been hammering the point that Lombardi put together Top 5 prospect pools and so many of the top dudes that propelled the rankings did not meet the hype. You eventually have to find out what you have though and, as much as I dislike the guy, Blake wasn't afraid to mix prospects in last season to get a taste and he put Kaliyev on the team out of camp. I think we will see more prospects draw into the lineup throughout the year: I'll start to bash Blake again if that doesn't happen.

Byfield is the answer. If he steps in and is dynamic, it really lifts the entire pool just like Doughty did for Lombardi's draft record. If that winds up being a miss, Blake is f***ed.


By circumstance, not design. Losing Drew and Walker forced all that shuffling just as injuries amongst the forwards allowed Arty's opportunity. (Mikey of course fought his way in as Drew's partner anyway). Obviously that's how she goes sometimes--but the fact that we over-signed mediocre NHLers and with the gift of retrospect can deduce they were intent on playing what, maybe 1-2 kids, is what worried me. You're right that it will take time and some of us (ME) should definitely be more patient, I just don't like the deployment patterns vs. how other teams are using their kids at all. There's not a whole lot that's gonna change my mind about that until we start seeing some kids get extended looks next to Kopitar or Danault (although as you point out Byfield might be the lynchpin in this whole thing for better or for worse) OR kopitar/danault are actually used in defensive minutes and 'kids' in offensive minutes (though in recent games the 4th line has both started there and finished there frequently, a positive trend).

Re the 2008-ish era those were different times. Guys mostly made the roster VERY quickly. Martinez was the rare up-and-down till he settled one; we immediately played Doughty, Simmonds, Clifford. Moller, Lewis, Bernier didn't take long. I genuinely don't remember many really clamoring for Voynov, and MUCH fewer on King and Nolan, as our 'best' youth were already with the team in big roles. Schenn, we knew we had to wait. But then we all know what happened next, a huge step--I'm trying to avoid that as an 'expectation' until we know what these kids have.
 
this thread is so f***ing stupid.


Yeah, I'm not apologizing anymore, f*** this. If you can't see a problem, sorry. I've watched and played a lot of hockey in my life and it doesn't make me an expert but it makes me able to recognize when something is horribly off. Really not much else to say at this point when every day/night the org gives me three more examples of mishandling.
 
Yeah, I'm not apologizing anymore, f*** this. If you can't see a problem, sorry. I've watched and played a lot of hockey in my life and it doesn't make me an expert but it makes me able to recognize when something is horribly off. Really not much else to say at this point when every day/night the org gives me three more examples of mishandling.

HEY!

Hey.

Hey...

There are options next year. This year clearly the vets are irreplacable.
 
Tearing a team down by selling off it's parts for picks is easy. Leaning on a director of scouting who was already in that position LONG before you got the GM job to use those picks to restock the prospect pool is easy. Player development is hard. Hiring the right head coach is hard. Roster building is hard. Rob Blake is failing and has failed at ALL the heavy lifting required from his job
 
Turn in the TV last night to watch a team that looks like they are dressed for a circus, play like they are a circus act and are being led by a guy who takes styling cues from Jim Carrey in Dumb and Dumber. The bad thing is his haircut is better then his coaching decisions
 
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I'd love to ask Kings players how they really feel about wearing those 1950s sci-fi movie helmets. The responses would likely be along the lines of "humiliating", "embarrassed", "at least my kid loves it", "help me, please".

Pride is a thing.
 
Compare the Ducks lines and Kings lines. One team is giving the kids a shot, the other is just inserting them for injured players.

Blake couldn’t stick to rebuilding just like he thought the team he inherited from DL was a playoff team and signed Kovy. Patchwork.
 
Compare the Ducks lines and Kings lines. One team is giving the kids a shot, the other is just inserting them for injured players.

Blake couldn’t stick to rebuilding just like he thought the team he inherited from DL was a playoff team and signed Kovy. Patchwork.
Aside from Zegras and Drysdale (both top picks) who are the impactful rookies? Terry is 24 and took awhile to get where he is this year.
 
The Kings are .500 after an abysmal home stand.

They have looked good on different nights against some decent teams without Doughty and Walker. Doughty could of been a tipping point in some of those winnable games.

Again, this team hasn’t seen the fruits of its drafting yet.

They decided to go for the playoffs this year instead of tank. Seems unlikely at this point but hey, maybe the get yet another top ten pick.

Yes, Brown looks bad this year.

The power play is still dogshit.
 
The Kings are .500 after an abysmal home stand.

They have looked good on different nights against some decent teams without Doughty and Walker. Doughty could of been a tipping point in some of those winnable games.

Again, this team hasn’t seen the fruits of its drafting yet.

They decided to go for the playoffs this year instead of tank. Seems unlikely at this point but hey, maybe the get yet another top ten pick.

Yes, Brown looks bad this year.

The power play is still dogshit.
They lose a lot with Doughty in the lineup. They also won a lot without him. No excuses for this losing streak. Theres still time to clean things up and get their game back. Weve seen them play very well this season so they are capable.
But if they cant pull it together after going out and getting the veterans the pieces they asked for then big changes need to come. Because at this point you can bring in anyone and they will play badly and trade them somewhere else where they flourish.
Its an organizational thing and the management, coach, and veterans need to be moved out. Let those fruits they drafted come in with a real shot in top six and leadership roles.
I dont hate the management coach or veterans so I root for them to get to the playoffs but i cant say I have been enjoying this product very much.
 

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