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Herby said:
Also I think people overrate the professional aspect of it when it comes to GM's. Jay Feaster won a Stanley Cup and he had literally no experience around the game, he was a lawyer who was the legal counsel for an AHL team. Lombardi was also a lawyer with no high level playing experience and he won a cup. I'm not saying that I want Racoon Jesus or BigKing to be the GM of the team, but this is not exactly being a doctor or rocket scientist, if they put the right people around them and had a bit of luck it wouldn't be impossible. The draft and the cap are designed to promote parity. I get the argument for players or even coaches when people say a fan couldn't do it, but for management, idk I think had many decisions been left to fans over the years the team may have ended up in better shape.
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Feaster spent quite a bit of time with Hersey before becoming an assistant gm with Tampa. So yes, smart man without a hockey background but not completely inexperienced at the time he won. DL had quite a bit experience around the game too. You don’t need to be a former player but you can’t just walk off the street either.
 
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LAKings88 said:
Feaster spent quite a bit of time with Hersey before becoming an assistant gm with Tampa. So yes, smart man without a hockey background but not completely in experienced at the time he won. DL had quite a bit experience around the game too. You don’t need to be a former player but you can’t just walk off the street either.
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Mats26 said:
Nothing should be negative, it's just reality. Some folks believed in the smoke and mirrors messages that we are playoff bound. We are at best a .500 team and hopefully we can be that with 6+ prospects on the roster. It will be a small step forward to get young kids in the lineup and still win some games. Next year or 2 we will see some of them becoming impact players...hopefully! If not TMAC\Blake should be replaced for mismanaging the whole "we are done rebuilding" message, we are clearly not done rebuilding.

It's simple to be negative and blame everyone, but have we not learned enough from the past that we do not easily develop top 6 players. My biggest concern on the roster right now. I think our D, bottom 6 are in great shape. Top 6 and Goaltending is a major concern for me.
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I don't understand your thought process here though. We've drafted and developed one 30-goal scorer since the launch of the iPhone: Tyler Toffoli. And here we are with the best prospect pool we've ever had and the sentiment is "well we're bad at developing top six forwards."

Well yeah, that makes sense. We take guys with top six potential and beat the skill right out of them. Kupari and Kaliyev are playing 12 minutes a night on the bottom lines.

I was certainly on board for a season of "it would be cool if we made the playoffs" if it meant that the prospects were getting the time and experience they need on the roster. Do we honestly believe that not a single prospect is ready for a top six position? Here's our forward lineup in terms of age:

28 - 34 - 37
28 - 28 - 27
25 - 21 - 26
25 - 24 - 20
24, 23

Do you guys notice any trends there? Do we really think it's impossible for prospects to learn how to play defense in the top six? The only place for development is on the bottom two lines?

It's just like we are allergic to putting people in positions to succeed. Did Blake and Luc tell Todd to copy Sutter? Is that the team we're trying to build? If so, why haven't we just traded the prospects yet?
 
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Herby said:
They weren't signing and trading for all those vets to insulate youth as they took their lumps. I get where you guys were coming from in your thinking but it was a bit naive, especially in signing Danault, he was clearly taking a spot now and long-term from someone that the Kings invested a high pick in.
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Good post as a whole, but here's my contention.

The Kings also signed Edler. There are even fewer spots on the D-corps, yet Anderson and Bjornfot are up and getting important minutes (which was accelerated by the injuries to Walker and Doughty, admittedly).

But Bjornfot wasn't just sent down due to a numbers game to minimize waivers.

We are fully cognizant the Kings expect to make the playoffs and "lean on" vets. But there is enough competition, especially on Kopitar's wings and Danault's RW, to even slot ONE forward 23 and younger into a crucial role.

They want the forwards to be defensively responsible? Why not put them on a line with the Selke winner?

The forwards are being handled, developed, and given opportunity significantly different than defensively, which also has a steeper learning curve to do it well. Why? How can it be naive when we LITERALLY see it on the blue line?
 
King'sPawn said:
Good post as a whole, but here's my contention.

The Kings also signed Edler. There are even fewer spots on the D-corps, yet Anderson and Bjornfot are up and getting important minutes (which was accelerated by the injuries to Walker and Doughty, admittedly).

But Bjornfot wasn't just sent down due to a numbers game to minimize waivers.

We are fully cognizant the Kings expect to make the playoffs and "lean on" vets. But there is enough competition, especially on Kopitar's wings and Danault's RW, to even slot ONE forward 23 and younger into a crucial role.

They want the forwards to be defensively responsible? Why not put them on a line with the Selke winner?

The forwards are being handled, developed, and given opportunity significantly different than defensively, which also has a steeper learning curve to do it well. Why? How can it be naive when we LITERALLY see it on the blue line?
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The guy getting an opportunity due to injury is Clague. Clague and Durzi aren’t bad players. They actually can provide the offense from blue line the kings need. But they are both not great defensively.

Clarke is skilled enough to maybe be ready next year but depends on how things fallout. If Faber leaves college he is another guy that could push for a spot. We have all these righties tho.

Spence is another guy who can provide offense and sound defense but is small.

Kings really need to trade some excess for that top lefty. Easier said than done tho.
 
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kilowatt said:
I don't understand your thought process here though. We've drafted and developed one 30-goal scorer since the launch of the iPhone: Tyler Toffoli. And here we are with the best prospect pool we've ever had and the sentiment is "well we're bad at developing top six forwards."

Well yeah, that makes sense. We take guys with top six potential and beat the skill right out of them. Kupari and Kaliyev are playing 12 minutes a night on the bottom lines.

I was certainly on board for a season of "it would be cool if we made the playoffs" if it meant that the prospects were getting the time and experience they need on the roster. Do we honestly believe that not a single prospect is ready for a top six position? Here's our forward lineup in terms of age:

28 - 34 - 37
28 - 28 - 27
25 - 21 - 26
25 - 24 - 20
24, 23

Do you guys notice any trends there? Do we really think it's impossible for prospects to learn how to play defense in the top six? The only place for development is on the bottom two lines?

It's just like we are allergic to putting people in positions to succeed. Did Blake and Luc tell Todd to copy Sutter? Is that the team we're trying to build? If so, why haven't we just traded the prospects yet?
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I get the frustration with TMacs lineup, some are head scratchers but it goes deeper than that. Again... the NHL is not a development league. Wasn't Vilardi our 2C last year...how did that work out? If your development staff can't develop the players it's on them. If a prospect can't dominate or show progression in the AHL, what makes you think they can be an immediate impact in the NHL? Very few prospects ever did that. Some prospects need more time in the AHL. Voynov spent 4 years on the farm nobody complain about that because he came in ready. Whoever made the call for Vilardi to start at 2C last year instead of playing the Covid year in the AHL should be held responsible.

I was posting years ago about Emerson and how he should not be within a mile from any prospects because he simply can't deliver the goods. Yet he is still employed and thank god he was moved to personnel and we hired Wrobo. We should of revamped the whole development staff prior to this rebuild, but yet here we are still arguing about not developing top 6 talent.

So let's look at the roster:

Byfeild made the team (injury)
Vilardi at 2C last year 3C this year (AHL, see above)
Bjornfot\Anderson top paring (After injuries)
Kupari at 3C
Anderson 3C now
Grundstrom 3rd-4th liner.
Kaliyev on 4th line and possibly the best line the last few games.
Clague - Durzi getting looks


How many more prospects do you want to add, who do they replace? Brown, Matta?? Is there any prospects burning the AHL right now that needs to be on our top line...no. Is any current roster player ready for the top 6? I would say no but Kaliyev should be given another look and at least play PP1.

If deployment is a major concern, moves will have to be made because soon some of those prospects will need to be regulars on this team. But next year more holes will be open with Brown-AA-Maatta, etc... leaving. Hoping they fill those holes with prospects that are READY!
 
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King'sPawn said:
Good post as a whole, but here's my contention.

The Kings also signed Edler. There are even fewer spots on the D-corps, yet Anderson and Bjornfot are up and getting important minutes (which was accelerated by the injuries to Walker and Doughty, admittedly).

But Bjornfot wasn't just sent down due to a numbers game to minimize waivers.

We are fully cognizant the Kings expect to make the playoffs and "lean on" vets. But there is enough competition, especially on Kopitar's wings and Danault's RW, to even slot ONE forward 23 and younger into a crucial role.

They want the forwards to be defensively responsible? Why not put them on a line with the Selke winner?

The forwards are being handled, developed, and given opportunity significantly different than defensively, which also has a steeper learning curve to do it well. Why? How can it be naive when we LITERALLY see it on the blue line?
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Couple things,
No prospect has knocked Kempe off the "Top Line". That's on the prospects.

The Kings are never going to have the talent to run & gun against teams like Oilers, Avalanche, & Leafs. They are going to have to employ defense to be successful.
 
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Mats26 said:
I get the frustration with TMacs lineup, some are head scratchers but it goes deeper than that. Again... the NHL is not a development league. Wasn't Vilardi our 2C last year...how did that work out? If your development staff can't develop the players it's on them. If a prospect can't dominate or show progression in the AHL, what makes you think they can be an immediate impact in the NHL? Very few prospects ever did that. Some prospects need more time in the AHL. Voynov spent 4 years on the farm nobody complain about that because he came in ready. Whoever made the call for Vilardi to start at 2C last year instead of playing the Covid year in the AHL should be held responsible.

I was posting years ago about Emerson and how he should not be within a mile from any prospects because he simply can't deliver the goods. Yet he is still employed and thank god he was moved to personnel and we hired Wrobo. We should of revamped the whole development staff prior to this rebuild, but yet here we are still arguing about not developing top 6 talent.

So let's look at the roster:

Byfeild made the team (injury)
Vilardi at 2C last year 3C this year (AHL, see above)
Bjornfot\Anderson top paring (After injuries)
Kupari at 3C
Anderson 3C now
Grundstrom 3rd-4th liner.
Kaliyev on 4th line and possibly the best line the last few games.
Clague - Durzi getting looks


How many more prospects do you want to add, who do they replace? Brown, Matta?? Is there any prospects burning the AHL right now that needs to be on our top line...no. Is any current roster player ready for the top 6? I would say no but Kaliyev should be given another look and at least play PP1.

If deployment is a major concern, moves will have to be made because some of those prospects will need to be regulars on this team. But next year more holes will be open with Brown-AA-Maatta, etc... leaving. Hoping they fill those holes with prospects that are READY!
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With Vilardi at 2c the team was at about the same point pace as a pricier Danault at 2c and he played with a very unmotivated jeff carter and a cherry picking athanasiou. Im thinking something is wrong with the organization thats deeper than any players slotting into lines. Seems like the outcome is the same no matter who slots in.
 
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With Vilardi at 2c the team was at about the same point pace as a pricier Danault at 2c and he played with a very unmotivated jeff carter and a cherry picking athanasiou. Im thinking something is wrong with the organization thats deeper than any players slotting into lines. Seems like the outcome is the same no matter who slots in.
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Agreed. That is why I started my post with:
"I get the frustration with TMacs lineup, some are head scratchers but it goes deeper than that."
 
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FSL KINGS said:
Couple things,
No prospect has knocked Kempe off the "Top Line". That's on the prospects.

The Kings are never going to have the talent to run & gun against teams like Oilers, Avalanche, & Leafs. They are going to have to employ defense to be successful.
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Brown's been up there, too. And Kempe's been capitalizing on his opportunity, to his credit... but again, he benefited a lot from the instant synergy and hot streak of Danault and Iafallo where he got pushed up to the top line. No forward prospect has had Kempe's regular opportunity, either.

I never expected the Kings to "run & gun." That's never been the argument.
 
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Not happy at all to be right about trajectory, this is utterly depressing. not even MAD anymore, just hoping they don't wreck the future.
 
Axl Rhoadz said:
Yup, I concede.

At this point, fire Luc and I’ll consider that a successful season.

Tired of pride parades, inclusion commercials and shiny, stupid helmets. Show us you give a f*** about the on ice product or f*** off.
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i'll agree with you on the shiney helmets .. but the tired of pride parades and inclusion commercials ?
 
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No vision, no creativity old-boys'-club who couldn't 'develop' a ham sandwich and would be fired anywhere but LA. Remember when TM had Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl and was still a bottom in the league offense? We shouldn't have expected any differently. Remember when Blake the player came back to play every game like it was pickup and hide in relative obscurity at the beach? We shouldn't have expected a different attitude.

Please, AEG, you're bleeding money due to these idiots and hardly anything else at this point. Cut your losses ASAP.
 
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