Analyzing Management and Development

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So many lately acting like the rebuild is over.

This is a bridge year. The best prospects aren’t even on the team yet.

They will scrap and likely miss out on a spot and get yet another pick.

Some of these chips will be moved.

Spots are open next year.

Be f***ing negative all you want but the Kings were never winning the cup this year and until these guys have actually played a bit we won’t know about their development.

We are at the end of one era and hoping to start a new one. It’s around the corner and it starts when QB takes a regular shift on the big club.
 
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On the contrary, we're upset because it appears the real rebuild hasn't even started yet, and we're worried the current org is sabotaging the current one.

Blake has now misread the team's trajectory at SEVERAL turns and him and TM cannot be trusted with the steering wheel any longer.

When we lose tomorrow, our point paces for the last three years will have been 78, 72, 75.
 
On the contrary, we're upset because it appears the real rebuild hasn't even started yet, and we're worried the current org is sabotaging the current one.

Blake has now misread the team's trajectory at SEVERAL turns and him and TM cannot be trusted with the steering wheel any longer.
This is just it Raccoon, it hasn’t. The fruits of those drafts aren’t here. I mean unless you think Kopi and Doughty should be moved and we roll three lines of rookies.
 
We're getting f***ed in the ass but not in the fun good way.

Clague produced well and showed signs of improving and was waived 10 games in, Maatta is still somehow on the roster, Cal Petersen has taken major steps back, our young forwards have not been given any significant NHL ice-time, Vilardi, Tkachev, AND Turcotte are all in the AHL and we're 2 months into the season. f*** this.
 
do you really think arvidsson and danault were brought in here to start a rebuild? it's like yeah, we agree that the rebuild hasn't started yet, but we're on other planets as to why. it's not by design, it's by failure
 
do you really think arvidsson and danault were brought in here to start a rebuild? it's like yeah, we agree that the rebuild hasn't started yet, but we're on other planets as to why. it's not by design, it's by failure
They are complimentary players. Danault is a Selke level center that just went to the cup. Arvidsson was a buy low upgrade. These guys are there to improve the team. Not hard to understand.

Kopi
Byfield
Danault

is pretty fn scary.
 
They are complimentary players. Danault is a Selke level center that just went to the cup. Arvidsson was a buy low upgrade. These guys are there to improve the team. Not hard to understand.

Kopi
Byfield
Danault

is pretty fn scary.
When you consider that Kopitar isn't that good anymore, and Byfield is a rookie, and Danault's best seasons are behind him, it doesn't look that scary.
 
When you consider that Kopitar isn't that good anymore, and Byfield is a rookie, and Danault's best seasons are behind him, it doesn't look that scary.
Kopi is on pace for 80-90 with his annual slump.
Danault is 28 and a Selke caliber center.
Byfield is a monster with huge potential. Would have made the team if not for the injury.
 
I’m cool with Arvidsson and Danault being around to complement the kids, but play the f***ing kids. Don’t keep trotting out Kopitar with a piano strapped to his back and Methuselah Brown. The kids need to play. At least if we’re losing we’ll see them taking the next steps. Instead they’re in the press box too scared to make a mistake or their in the AHL watching career AHL’ers getting called up.
 
Feaster spent quite a bit of time with Hersey before becoming an assistant gm with Tampa. So yes, smart man without a hockey background but not completely inexperienced at the time he won. DL had quite a bit experience around the game too. You don’t need to be a former player but you can’t just walk off the street either.
I’ve led the Kings to multiple Stanley Cups in EA NHL 08 to NHL 21 BE-A-GM mode. My greatest accomplishments were trading for Richards and Carter on NHL 11 and had it happen for real the next few months. The same for Gaborik on NHL 14.

Am I qualified?
 
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Kopi is on pace for 80-90 with his annual slump.
Danault is 28 and a Selke caliber center.
Byfield is a monster with huge potential. Would have made the team if not for the injury.
Just stop with this facts shit. It's time to panic! No rebuild should ever take longer than 3 years to contend for a cup. Just ask teams like Buffalo, Edmonton, Arizona, Columbus etc.
 
One has ZERO to do with the other. That’s the point…

A predominantly white sport where racist and homophobic slurs get hurled has nothing to do with pride and inclusion?

Whatever. I'm not going to let you derail the thread.
 
Just stop with this facts shit. It's time to panic! No rebuild should ever take longer than 3 years to contend for a cup. Just ask teams like Buffalo, Edmonton, Arizona, Columbus etc.
that's not how this was presented brother. these guys, out of blake's own mouth, were brought in to win more games, not to insulate a rebuild

he said "this is the best roster to date". he thinks this rebuild is done.
 
that's not how this was presented brother. these guys, out of blake's own mouth, were brought in to win more games, not to insulate a rebuild

he said "this is the best roster to date". he thinks this rebuild is done.
LOL Its done, sure -- without any of the best prospects on the roster yet.
 
The Kings, from what I gathered, are tired of losing. They wanted to improve and make the playoffs. They targeted Danault and Arvidsson as guys that would help with that. They planned on having Byfield as the third line center. Hopefully he can take the second line center spot and Danault can slot in at 3C. Injuries stopped that from happening.

They are in another pandemic year and have a surplus of fringe guys. This helps with protocols. They signed a few guys to short term deals who likely wont be on the team in 22-23. Stop gap players. They signed Tkachov to see if he could add skill to figure out he lacks a complete game. Not sure if he will make it back up but he was a gamble like many KHL players. Not sure why they didn't better scout him tho or understand the fit. Maybe that is a coach/GM issue or disagreement.

Losing Doughty and Walker hurt. Clague likely would have not seen any playing time had Walker not gone down. He was exposed at the draft and is an RFA next year. I don't know what the issue is with him and management. His broken bone really screwed him. He was passed over by Roy, Walker, Anderson, and Bjornfot. Durzi also makes him redundant. You can debate which one is better but I don't even see much of a future for Durzi either. Better prospects are on the way. Maatta is just beyond my understanding but my guess is they see him as more reliable and better in his own end. Not saying I agree, just my guess. He's gone by next year too.

Kaliyev, Kupari, JAD, and Vilardi:
Kaliyev probably benefitted from injuries too. He is a solid prospect but has a slight weakness of being slow. He should not be expected to be a grinder but he needed to learn better board work. He has Toffoli 2.0 written all over him in my eyes. He is on the PP and getting ok minutes overall. I don't but the outcry over him.

Kupari has some potential but unless he can transition to the wing he doesn't have much future in LA.

Vilardi has so much skill but some warts too that many seem to gloss over. Preseason is not a great metric either. With center spots all but locked he is either a reserve center in case of injury or a top six winger if he can make the adjustment. Management seems to be very aware of this and is currently working toward that. They have not buried him or given up on him.

JAD is a skilled guy who can play bottom six. I see him as future 4C who can move up higher when needed. I'd be shocked if that isn't the plan for him.

Turcotte could still be a center. Given the center depth he is also likely going to make it as a winger. He has a lot of traits the Kings need and will be a glue guy. Hoping for a Mike Richards like performer out of him. I think LA is grooming him for that role. Thomas is another guy in that vein who likely becomes a winger.

Fagemo and Chromiak are shooters and wing options. Not sure if they will ever be first liners but can fill out the 2cd and 3rd line wings if all goes well. LA has numerous guys like them that could stick too. Hell most of their centers can shift to wing and back. Still think a trade will come to move out some of these chips.

I see no evidence of failed development yet. They hired Wrobo to specifically work with all these young prospects. Murray (A 40 goal scorer in the NHL) and co get criticized so much for past failures. Again, the fanbase once clamored for Jordan freakin Weal to be inserted in the line up by Sutter. Amadio, Kozun, Shore, Dowd, Vey, and Luff, have been LA's biggest offensive forward prospects since Toff/Pearson. Most are out of the league or fringe at best. People see this and say that development for the next wave will be just as f***ed but that is just pure conjecture at this point. It's possible but the next wave of prospects might just have it were those guys didn't. How about lets actually see what happens before declaring another abject failure? Again, next year there are prime spots for the taking.
 
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Just stop with this facts shit. It's time to panic! No rebuild should ever take longer than 3 years to contend for a cup. Just ask teams like Buffalo, Edmonton, Arizona, Columbus etc.

Ah, the claimant of facts:
- all those teams have gone through various management changes... so at this point you should be on board with a change
- it's arguable if any of them have truly righted the ship yet
- they all have similar issues: holes in infrastructure where draft -> development has had issues with churning out NHLers reliably. The only time when it's been overcome is when top picks succeed in spite of the poor infrastructure, like McDavid.
 
that's not how this was presented brother. these guys, out of blake's own mouth, were brought in to win more games, not to insulate a rebuild

he said "this is the best roster to date". he thinks this rebuild is done.
It is on paper. Doughty, Walker, and Byfield went down early. Arvidsson had covid. Even with the inconsistent play, poor special teams, subpar goaltending from CP, they are five points out of a wildcard spot currently. I don't think they thought the Pacific would be so dominant tho. That will be a huge hurtle in and of itself.

They need to find that extra gear. They need to keep getting better. I still don't expect playoffs at this point. Likely a few pieces get moved at the deadline and call-ups happen.
 
It’s simple, the propaganda from management was the tear down is over and the team was improved in the offseason. They expect to be more competitive while incorporating more youth in the lineup. The floor was playing meaningful games late in the season.

It could still happen, but the results to date are a streaky team. It’s well noted that this month’s schedule is very difficult, so they’ll have to magically pull things together if they hope to live up to expectations. I don’t see it happening.
 
Ah, the claimant of facts:
- all those teams have gone through various management changes... so at this point you should be on board with a change
- it's arguable if any of them have truly righted the ship yet
- they all have similar issues: holes in infrastructure where draft -> development has had issues with churning out NHLers reliably. The only time when it's been overcome is when top picks succeed in spite of the poor infrastructure, like McDavid.
And those management changes have accomplished what exactly? There's a reason GM's hate rebuilds and its because they almost never work...and the Kings don't even have their top prospects on the roster yet . This board is hilarious. People are foaming at the mouth over everyone and everything: The rink announcers, the play by play guys, Carrlyn...who's next? Look out Zamboni driver whoever you are.
 
I mean, even the Kovalchuk signing has all the same markers of what's currently happening

Gm mis-evaluates where team is at in standings.
Goes out to make a signing for more offense--after all, the #1 PK in the league and #1D in the league with strong possession just needs some shooting to break through
goes out and signs Kovy
almost immediately puts on bottom lines
wonders why he isn't checking better, isn't getting offense
long drawn out saga
finally traded for peanuts and new team utilizes him smartly and gets offense out of him.

Rinse and repeat year after year except now you can replace "Kovalchuk" with names like "Tkachev" and "Vilardi" and whatever prospects we ruin next.

Still having offense problems, still mad at guys for not checking better, still have PP issues, still have collapsing/emotional issues, still not a pulse/physical response from anyone not named Lemieux. There is ZERO growth on this roster and zero opportunity for the kids to grow. The only reason we're a 70 point team going on three years is due to Kopitar and Doughty masking a true basement team.
 
So many lately acting like the rebuild is over.

This is a bridge year. The best prospects aren’t even on the team yet.

They will scrap and likely miss out on a spot and get yet another pick.

Some of these chips will be moved.

Spots are open next year.

Be f***ing negative all you want but the Kings were never winning the cup this year and until these guys have actually played a bit we won’t know about their development.

We are at the end of one era and hoping to start a new one. It’s around the corner and it starts when QB takes a regular shift on the big club.

Wait, so we traded two 2nd round picks and allocated 10 million in cap space for two forwards who are about to turn 29 in a rebuild year?
 
Wait, so we traded two 2nd round picks and allocated 10 million in cap space for two forwards who are about to turn 29 in a rebuild year?
What is your definition of rebuild? They upgraded two spots. The team is still in rebuild are they not? Even if they make the playoffs.

Unless you think Lizotte, Andersson, Moore, AA, and Grundstrom are staples moving forward.
 
If we upgraded two spots, I'd expect to upgrade in the standings.

Instead we're flatlined year over year for 3 years while getting older. That's impressive.

26.33 average age this year, 26.06 last year. And our top six's average age is 30.

That's not getting younger and better. Literally getting older and worse.

Yeah there are components to this thing but this is definitely not the 2010 Kings after all.
 
What is your definition of rebuild? They upgraded two spots. The team is still in rebuild are they not? Even if they make the playoffs.

Unless you think Lizotte, Andersson, Moore, AA, and Grundstrom are staples moving forward.

Well, my definition of rebuild is what you were describing, a season where the team is not expected to win. If the Kings still had a transition/rebuild year in mind then those moves make no sense, it is throwing away assets and cap space for no reason. Next season both Arvvy and Danault are going to be turning 30, for reference Richards was 29 in his last season with the Kings. In 2023-24 the Kings will have 3 forwards over the age of 30 taking up nearly 20 million in cap space and only one of those averaged more than .5 ppg last season.
 

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