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Analyzing Dubas's Performance - III

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weems said:
I think you're talking about this right?

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Obviously this is pretty stupid of McGuire, but if you are using analytics in an uncritical way without other hockey inputs and you get your =sum is "Tyson Barrie," you may not be using all your tools properly and probably deserve to get dunked on all off season.
 
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BertCorbeau said:
That's true, the return seems really bad now.

This is Colorado's second iteration of a rebuild though - keep that in mind .. Their first one fizzles out which led to the trade of Duchene but still left them with Mackinnon and Landeskog, and Rantenen.

Maybe that's a lesson for the Leafs ;)
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Sakic did not blow the Duchene deal even though everybody knew Duchene wanted out.
 
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AllDay28 said:
Kadri is super overrated but if you see posts around here you'd think we traded away a first liner.
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it's not about trading Kadri, it's about what you got back. after one year all you have is Kerfoot regardless of how Barrie would have played because it was never going to be possible to re-sign him.
 
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AllDay28 said:
o0o0o watch out for the "former" 30 goal scorer.. 3 seasons ago.. soon to be 30 yr old Kadri is not going to be a 30 goal scorer ever again but sure

btw my buddy married this girl from Thornhill who went to school with Zach Hyman. you want me to tell him anything for you since hes your profile pic and all?
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cap hit is good, plays not a bad shut down role in a 2C role, plays with some "jam", pretty good offense, seems like a good player to me, not over rated but to each their own...
 
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Menzinger said:
Yep.

I'm definitely a Kadri fan regardless of what uniform he was in and am very happy that he's having a fantastic series.

That said I think some folks seem to forget that he had 4 chances to show to this team he was an key asset for the post season, and didn't come close to doing so.

If he had played like this for the Leafs last playoffs he'd still be with the team most likely.
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I wonder though how much of that is because of the team around him. Not to say that a team should be changed to suit their 2c-playing-3c but he just seems to be a better fit there in their style of play.

Also helps that the Avs have some other big physical players, helps in terms of Kadri not being suspended.
 
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Stephen said:
Kadri's in a good spot with other star players to insulate him, and the Colorado Avalanche just feasted on a team that shouldn't have been in the playoffs. Wishing them all the best the rest of the way.
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oh ya,,too bad we don't have star players here to insulate him

and Tbay just feasted on a team that should have not been in the POs either
 
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capfit9 said:
it's not about trading Kadri, it's about what you got back. after one year all you have is Kerfoot regardless of how Barrie would have played because it was never going to be possible to re-sign him.
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so wheres the issue?

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Barrie (50% Retained) + Kerfoot for Kadri is 100% a steal for Toronto. it just sucks that Barrie couldnt adapt to the system and play like he should of. win some, lose some.
 
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weems said:
I think you're talking about this right?

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Analytics are a useful piece in the toolbox to help build what you see on the blueprints which needs many different things.
Too bad for us Dubas sees analytics as the only thing in the toolbox and he ignores the blueprints.
 
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Gallagbi said:
You don't care that they drafted their star C 3 drafts ahead of Matthews when considering how successful their rebuild is? Both were supposed to start the upward trajectory of their organizations
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No. Why the hell would anyone care about that? Rebuilds are all different. Even when Colorado had to change their plan they lots of cap space and flexibility. In fact they still do. Toronto's rebuild was accelerated (for bad reasons) and has completely gone off the rails with almost no cap space or flexibility.

Furthermore it is idiotic to view MacKinnon as three years ahead of Matthews. Everyone on here talks and gushes about Robertson being youngest in his draft. At the exact same as Matthews MacKinnon was finishing 2nd in the Hart vote. Exact same age.
 
CantLoseWithMatthews said:
For me, the hardest thing to swallow is how Colorado was able to turn things around. They already had star talent like MacKinnon and ROR and it went nowhere. Under Sakic they were able to find hidden gem players who are key contributors now like Graves, Nichuskin, Donskoi, Burakovsky and even good goalies. I guess you can add Kadri to the list. One of the things Dubas was supposed to be able to do was find those hidden gems, and I can't think of a single one yet
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Sakic also got Girard who was really not on anyone's radar at the time. There is no evidence that Dubas has been even decent at many of the things he was supposed to be great at.
 
rumman said:
wonder if these success stories from former Leafs makes it back into the locker room, maybe the grass is greener?
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Well it's too bad that we had a trainee GM who inherited a lot of resources to make this a great team.

Hopefully he can salvage some of his reputation by winning a few trades.:)
 
AllDay28 said:
What exactly were they getting for him? Also if I bump the trade thread im sure people in here complaining were going nuts with excitement.

Barrie (50% Retained) + Kerfoot for Kadri is 100% a steal for Toronto. it just sucks that Barrie couldnt adapt to the system and play like he should of. win some, lose some.
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That's going a bit easy on Dubas. It does suck, but that should be foreseeable. I don't pretend to watch every Avs game but I hope Dubas has some eyes on the players he's targeting.

I don't like him at all but Babcock and most of the fanbase were right about this. We needed a big, physical dman. Of course being able to move the puck is important and ideally for a player of Kadri's value we can get that. But we needed a Muzzin-type player on the right side.

Back to back 30g scoring centers with a physical edge and on cheap steal deals are not common. There's lots of value there.
 
biotk said:
Sakic also got Girard who was really not on anyone's radar at the time. There is no evidence that Dubas has been even decent at many of the things he was supposed to be great at.
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We don’t even end up with a D for Kadri.
And somehow Carolina managed to get Skjei from the Rangers and still end of with a 1st round pick. The 13th.
 
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Stephen said:
Obviously this is pretty stupid of McGuire, but if you are using analytics in an uncritical way without other hockey inputs and you get your =sum is "Tyson Barrie," you may not be using all your tools properly and probably deserve to get dunked on all off season.
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What were Barrie's analytics like? Kadri was always a strong analytical player from what I remember
 
Kadri had grit, toughness and played with heart, all while netting 30 goals in a seasons consecutively with the Leafs.

If he got dismissed by the Leafs for back to back playoff blunders, then why shouldn't those who traded him receive the same fate, since his return proved to not only make the team softer, but incapable of even making the playoffs. (Not to mention consecutive years without a 1st rounder, but we were lead to believe the team would stop doing that...)
 
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