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Analyzing Dubas's Performance - III

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OptimusReim said:
If he got dismissed by the Leafs for back to back playoff blunders, then why shouldn't those who traded him receive the same fate, since his return proved to not only make the team softer, but incapable of even making the playoffs. (Not to mention consecutive years without a 1st rounder, but we were lead to believe the team would stop doing that...)
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That is a pretty good point.
 
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Gallagbi said:
What were Barrie's analytics like? Kadri was always a strong analytical player from what I remember
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Yeah Kadri always seemed to have the good underlying numbers. With Barrie, I would imagine they were not particularly strong. The Roy/Avalanche teams were always terrible and the analytics community seemed to enjoy predicting their downfall.
 
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saffronleaf said:
I wonder though how much of that is because of the team around him. Not to say that a team should be changed to suit their 2c-playing-3c but he just seems to be a better fit there in their style of play.

Also helps that the Avs have some other big physical players, helps in terms of Kadri not being suspended.
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He's definitely player that thrived with more responsibility.
 
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Volcanologist said:
uh huh.

problem is, he absolutely knew the big 3 were coming up for new deals and still gave Marleau the 3rd year.

It's indefensible.

how much did Lou figure they'd sign for, five bucks??

the glossing over and excuses made for the old man's blunders never end around here, and he's been gone 2 years.
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Rofl are you honestly trying to use 5 bucks as some sort of point?

My goodness.

Lou's been gone for 2 years. Our problems are due to dubas. Not lou.

The lou bashing knows no bounds.
 
Mess said:
Not in a million trillion years did Lou Lam's plan ever factor in the possibility of 3 X $11 mil players on the horizon.

In fact that is something no GM would likely think is wise in a cap world and its going to be a long while before we see another team get themselves into this situation.
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Trying to blame lou for our cap issues and having to trade a 1st is one of the most idiotic things I have seen on these boards.

The guys been gone for 2 years.
 
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Menzinger said:
He's definitely player that thrived with more responsibility.
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I thought Kadri's response to the Tavares signing and subsequent demotion to 3C was disappointing. He was coming off a great couple of years and seemed to be rounding out as a good veteran center, but when Tavares came in and stole his job, he would sleepwalk in his new role at times. Less engaged, not always throwing his weight around, sometimes would force tunnel vision plays and just go about things kind of passively. Just feels like if he kept digging (and that DeBrusk hit didn't happen) he would have maybe emerged again as a 2C option for us under Keefe under line stacking scenarios.
 
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egd27 said:
Colorado got the better of the trade, is anyone actually disputing that?

Dubas did not improve the Leafs with that deal.
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No, I think everyone knows we gave up probably our most tradeable asset for what will soon be nothing but Kerfoot. People are arguing he wouldn’t be doing what he’s doing in Colorado here though so whatever to the trade? I think that’s the point they’re trying to make for reasons that only makes sense in their minds
 
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BrannigansLaw said:
No, I think everyone knows we gave up probably our most tradeable asset for what will soon be nothing but Kerfoot. People are arguing he wouldn’t be doing what he’s doing in Colorado here though so whatever to the trade? I think that’s the point they’re trying to make for reasons that only makes sense in their minds
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Well of course not, he'd wouldn't have made the playoffs if he were still on the Leafs.
 
capfit9 said:
it's not about trading Kadri, it's about what you got back. after one year all you have is Kerfoot regardless of how Barrie would have played because it was never going to be possible to re-sign him.
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Agreed... we had a huge hole at D and our best tradeable asset was blown for a 1 year cup run. Now we still have a huge hole on D and our offensive depth is worse too. Not sure what Dubas was thinking with the Marner contract or the Kadri deal.

He should take Robertson out for drinks and a lobster dinner....because Robertson is shielding him from some blows.
 
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It's funny though. Some of the same ppl chastising Dubas for the Kadri/Barrie trade are spamming this forum w Marner/Nylander proposals in the exact same move.

Honestly, outside of Jones/Johansen -- when did the team trading away the skilled forward ever win?

I'm not saying don't go out and try to trade for a defenseman... But we may be eating the same exact same dish we're eating now in regards to these two... Likely would be worse since they're better and younger..
 
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egd27 said:
Colorado got the better of the trade, is anyone actually disputing that?

Dubas did not improve the Leafs with that deal.
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In hindsight, possibly. Barrie predictably did not do well with Babcock and flopped in the playoffs.

It is still fair trade value and maximized a declining asset while trying to fix a weakness, so there should not be regrets. Just motivation for guys who are still here.
 
Kelly said:
It's funny though. Some of the same ppl chastising Dubas for the Kadri/Barrie trade are spamming this forum w Marner/Nylander proposals in the exact same move.

Honestly, outside of Jones/Johansen -- when did the team trading away the skilled forward ever win?

I'm not saying don't go out and try to trade for a defenseman... But we may be eating the same exact same dish we're eating now in regards to these two... Likely would be worse since they're better and younger..
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There are also people who wanted Barrie for years and loved when we finally got him, but now are saying it was a terrible trade.

I do not even like guys like Barrie as players, but he did what he was brought in to do (minus the playoffs and Babcock) and we got value out of the Kadri deal. Kadri is just a much better fit for Colorado, and that does not make it a bad deal for Toronto.
 
Crossfire Hurricane said:
I didn't hear the comment, but could he have been talking about Arizona and Chayka?
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I don't think it really matters. No one should expect that Pierre has the analytics available for the players traded in the Kadri trade. The bottom line is that Toronto far more resembles the type of team that analytics folks have been talking about for years, and Colorado does not. Kadri brings a lot of things that analytics folks don't care about.
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
There are also people who wanted Barrie for years and loved when we finally got him, but now are saying it was a terrible trade.

I do not even like guys like Barrie as players, but he did what he was brought in to do (minus the playoffs and Babcock) and we got value out of the Kadri deal. Kadri is just a much better fit for Colorado, and that does not make it a bad deal for Toronto.
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What value? The value of seeing Barrie deflect in the series winning goal? There is exactly 0 value we got out of that trade and that value will become negative momentarily when Barrie thankfully walks.
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
There are also people who wanted Barrie for years and loved when we finally got him, but now are saying it was a terrible trade.

I do not even like guys like Barrie as players, but he did what he was brought in to do (minus the playoffs and Babcock) and we got value out of the Kadri deal. Kadri is just a much better fit for Colorado, and that does not make it a bad deal for Toronto.
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Nah, he was much more timid here than he was in Colorado, even after Babs
 
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BrannigansLaw said:
What value? The value of seeing Barrie deflect in the series winning goal? There is exactly 0 value we got out of that trade and that value will become negative momentarily when Barrie thankfully walks.
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I am not entirely sure why you are confused... it is pretty clear what value I am referring to. I am not going to repeat what I said when you can just re-read ut and hopefully figure out what should have been easy to understand the first time.
 
Gallagbi said:
Nah, he was much more timid here than he was in Colorado, even after Babs
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He still was able to be a productive #1 PP QB for much of the regular season. I would say if he could put up 55 points in a full season, people would have said Barrie worked out. He was pacing for that under Keefe and picked up the slack when we had injuries to Rielly and Muzzin.

It doesn't matter now. It is done, it was still a good value trade for the Leafs, and maybe next time we will have better options than a pure offensive defenseman, even if he is really good.
 
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