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Confirmed Trade: [ANA/NYR] Jacob Trouba for Urho Vaakanainen and 2025 4th round pick

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BMOK33 said:
Its not ridiculous to argue the Igor contract could look terrible in about 5-6 years. By then though there may be 15 goalies making 10-15 mill a year. I think the Sorokin/Igor contracts are both just bad ideas. Teams can win cups without goalies playing out of their mind. NYR at the moment does not have a roster that can do that probably but many teams in the league do, just look at FLA last year, Bob had a poor postseason relative to 2023 but it did not matter. Its same argument that elite QBs are not needed to win a Super Bowl
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Carey Price got 10.5 in 2017 and 7 years later only two goalies have got that. Goalies just don't play as many games anymore to command that level of money. Even above 8 is still very rare.
 
The Crypto Guy said:
Lmao, of course you do.
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The consensus seems to be they're gonna go wack at the TDL this year now. I still suspect Kakko might not be there long term but to me the D is the main question mark, they can probably get 3-4 decent years out of Kreider/Zibanejed/Panarin if he agrees to somehow stay for like 3/18 or so because someone will offer 3/25-28 but they have to decide which of those 3 soon to be RFA/UFA dmen they keep or make some big trades.
 
Ezpz said:
Carey Price got 10.5 in 2017 and 7 years later only two goalies have got that. Goalies just don't play as many games anymore to command that level of money. Even above 8 is still very rare.
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That logic only works if you need the goalie to drag you into the playoffs. Who cares if Igor plays 40 or 65 games in the regular season. The value is that in the playoffs, Shesterkin is going to be starting up to 28 of 28 games.
 
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FiveTacos said:
. . . Hell, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Trouba, if his wife settles in on her career in OC, will take less to stay put after ... I mean, he's shown twice now that his wife's career matters to him in his decision making. If she gets a good gig in SoCal, good bet he signs with either Ana or LA regardless of money.
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I would believe that when I see it.

Even if the Trouba family would love to stay in SoCal (who wouldn't?), Trouba and his agent Overhardt would likely squeeze a hometown premium out of the Ducks rather than a hometown discount.

That's just my impression of the kind of guy Trouba is . . . and his agent, too.

All the more power too them, if that's the way they are, but I wouldn't expect a sentimental discount.
 
ijuka said:
Trouba returning value with no retention is insane.
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"Returning value" is a stretch with this one but I agree the Rangers really got off the hook here. Trouba might be a needed vet to add to a struggling young Ducks core but at that salary with how he's been playing lately it's just baffling they couldn't take more of an advantage.
 
Ole Gil said:
That logic only works if you need the goalie to drag you into the playoffs. Who cares if Igor plays 40 or 65 games in the regular season. The value is that in the playoffs, Shesterkin is going to be starting up to 28 of 28 games.
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Because the cap you lose from playing a goalie that much diminishes the team you are able to assemble and your chances of making it to begin with? There will never be 15 goalies making that much.
 
I'm of two minds on this deal.

On the one hand, it seems like the ducks could have received a bit more for taking on the contract. They probably could have just claimed him on waivers . . . I think they pick third or fourth and ahead of CBJ?

That being said, Vaak and a the pick is giving up nothing nothing. Vaak is decent, but he's always injured and was buried on the depth chart. So trading him moves out $1M and a contract spot That's a positive for the ducks given all the young d they have.

In terms of the Trouba contract, the real money is much lower than the AAV. $4.125M this year and $6M next year. The ducks are badly in need of toughness and size. So that's a reasonable price for what they need. Having Trouba probably means the ducks will not have to play Ross Johnston which is another big positive given their scoring woes.

The biggest issue is I expect the ducks to ship out both Fowler and Dumoulin in the short term. So having Trouba as a bridge in 2025-26 is actually a positive. He can share the load with Gudas who has been very good for the ducks but is probably playing a bit too many hard minutes.

So while I think the ducks perhaps could have received a bit more, I'm fine with this trade assuming they make the other expected roster moves.
 
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Ciao said:
I would believe that when I see it.

Even if the Trouba family would love to stay in SoCal (who wouldn't?), Trouba and his agent Overhardt would likely squeeze a hometown premium out of the Ducks rather than a hometown discount.
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Gonna be tough to squeeze the Ducks given their young depth on D. They'd just trade him, or given how little they gave up just let him walk.
 
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No joke, haven’t been paying to the NHL this season as much. Weren’t people liking trouba last season?
 
BMOK33 said:
Its not ridiculous to argue the Igor contract could look terrible in about 5-6 years. By then though there may be 15 goalies making 10-15 mill a year. I think the Sorokin/Igor contracts are both just bad ideas. Teams can win cups without goalies playing out of their mind. NYR at the moment does not have a roster that can do that probably but many teams in the league do, just look at FLA last year, Bob had a poor postseason relative to 2023 but it did not matter. Its same argument that elite QBs are not needed to win a Super Bowl
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Yea imo it’s not ridiculous to argue any big money deal could look bad the last few years, that’s just the nature of how top players sign in this league.

Teams are built differently and winning takes a lot of different shapes. I don’t see anything to suggest that it’s not possible to win with your best player being your goalie
 
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Ezpz said:
Because the cap you lose from playing a goalie that much diminishes the team you are able to assemble and your chances of making it to begin with? There will never be 15 goalies making that much.
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Of course.

There will never be 15 goalies that are top-three in the league.
 
RangerBoy said:
Free tickets to see U2 at The Sphere
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Don't understand why some people think they did Trouba dirty. First of all, he did this to himself with his poor play, if he played like an 8 million dollar player then he'd still be a Ranger. Second, his wife's residency is almost over, so its really only going to be 3 1/2-4 months they're not together, members of the armed forces are away from their significant others for much longer than that. Third, this is a business at the end of the day, he refused to be traded anywhere last off season ands this is the consequence of that.

Trxjw said:
Once again HF absolutely nails it by thinking we'd have to pay to get rid of Trouba. Never change, HF. Never change.
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We all underestimated just how bad Verbeek is at his job.
 
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