Confirmed Trade: [ANA/NYR] Jacob Trouba for Urho Vaakanainen and 2025 4th round pick

[seanlinden]

This is a contradiction.

Radko Gudas literally is a player of Trouba's ilk.


The fact that the ducks acquired Radko Gudas for 4 mill x 3 years quite literally proves that you do not need to pay 8 mill and 7 years to acquire a player like trouba.

Radko Gudas, for the vast majority of his career prior to joining the Ducks, was a #4-5 defenceman.

He has never averaged more than 20 minutes a night in a season, and prior to joining the Ducks, only averaged more than 18:01 3 times in his career, the latest being 7 seasons earlier. His career high in points, 20; which occurred 8 years ago.

Jacob Trouba, prior to this season, had never averaged less than 21:00 minutes a game. His career-high in points 50, with several recent seasons above 30, and his career low in points, if you exclude the 1 season he only played 38 games, was 21. I think any reasonable GM is also not going to put much stock into his play this year, given the offseason issues.

Yes, they're both "most known" for their big hits and physical play, but the reality is Trouba is a much more versatile defenceman that can and should be playing higher in the lineup than Gudas should.

He's also 3 years younger than Gudas was.

I mean, look no further than this past offseason -- where the Ducks apparently swung and missed on a bunch of the premiere UFAs. Good players, when given the choice, want to play with known good players.... and those aren't exactly in abundance in Anaheim right now.

I’d far prefer having a 30 year old Trouba on a 1.5 year 6 million dollar deal (8 million AAV) over a 29 year old Zadorov getting 5 million a year until he’s 35-36 especially seeing as the Ducks aren’t a cap team.

Trouba is solid for what he is. The problem is that he isn’t an 8 million a year player. However, he does improve the Ducks defense and the term is short.

The deal was a no brainer for the Rangers considering their team / cap structure. However, it still makes sense for Anaheim. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to see him play solid hockey for the Ducks, then get dealt next deadline for a 2nd or something. Guys like Savard and Chiarot have brought back 1st rounders on expiring deals. Then we’ll be saying Verbeek “weaponized his cap space” without taking on a long term commitment.

Bingo!

You also likely couldn't get Zadorov for $5m x 6... given that he signed with Boston -- a team that was likely a much more desirable destination given where they were in the standings vs. the Ducks.

 

[dgibb10]

Radko Gudas, for the vast majority of his career prior to joining the Ducks, was a #4-5 defenceman.

He has never averaged more than 20 minutes a night in a season, and prior to joining the Ducks, only averaged more than 18:01 3 times in his career, the latest being 7 seasons earlier. His career high in points, 20; which occurred 8 years ago.

Jacob Trouba, prior to this season, had never averaged less than 21:00 minutes a game. His career-high in points 50, with several recent seasons above 30, and his career low in points, if you exclude the 1 season he only played 38 games, was 21. I think any reasonable GM is also not going to put much stock into his play this year, given the offseason issues.

Yes, they're both "most known" for their big hits and physical play, but the reality is Trouba is a much more versatile defenceman that can and should be playing higher in the lineup than Gudas should.

He's also 3 years younger than Gudas was.

I mean, look no further than this past offseason -- where the Ducks apparently swung and missed on a bunch of the premiere UFAs. Good players, when given the choice, want to play with known good players.... and those aren't exactly in abundance in Anaheim right now.



Bingo!

You also likely couldn't get Zadorov for $5m x 6... given that he signed with Boston -- a team that was likely a much more desirable destination given where they were in the standings vs. the Ducks.

"I think any reasonable GM is also not going to put much stock into his play this year, given the offseason issues."

A GM who is ignoring a guy making 8 mill being dosghit this year shouldn't be a GM.

He also wasn't particularly good last year, or the year before.

But hey, he was good 7 years ago in winnipeg.

 

[Curufinwe]

Trouba only makes $6m this season and next. His $8m cap hit is basically irrelevant to Anaheim.

 

[Curufinwe]

Those jerseys look so good.

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[FiveTacos]

Trouba only makes $6m this season and next. His $8m cap hit is basically irrelevant to Anaheim.

He knows, it's been mentioned repeatedly in responses. He just doesn't care because 8m sounds worse and fits the narrative.

 

[BergyWho37]

Trouba only makes $6m this season and next. His $8m cap hit is basically irrelevant to Anaheim.

I didn’t realize anyone cared about Anaheim cap situation it’s the fact they helped another team for FREE with that said cap hit.

 

[Gliff]

I didn’t realize anyone cared about Anaheim cap situation it’s the fact they helped another team for FREE with that said cap hit.

Sorry Anaheim cared more about bettering themselves then trying to hurt a team in the Eastern conference?

By all accounts if Anaheim didn't trade for him another team would have claimed him on waivers.

Get over it.

 

[seanlinden]

"I think any reasonable GM is also not going to put much stock into his play this year, given the offseason issues."

A GM who is ignoring a guy making 8 mill being dosghit this year shouldn't be a GM.

He also wasn't particularly good last year, or the year before.

But hey, he was good 7 years ago in winnipeg.

GMs, for better or worse, tend to have somewhat long memories.

Trouba is a veteran of 770 NHL games. A good GM doesn't look at "what is the player doing currently". A good GM uses all of the information available to ask themselves, "what would this player do for me?".

When you've got such an obvious and tumultous relationship with the Rangers as Trouba had this year, and such a well established sample of who he is as a player, it would be only reasonable to assume that his play will probably improve given a change of scenery.

Heck, even if it goes poorly... it's a risk that cost them about $10m ($4.5m this year, $6m next) that they werent going to spend anyways, and 2 somewhat irrelevant assets.

 

[dgibb10]

GMs, for better or worse, tend to have somewhat long memories.

Trouba is a veteran of 770 NHL games. A good GM doesn't look at "what is the player doing currently". A good GM uses all of the information available to ask themselves, "what would this player do for me?".

When you've got such an obvious and tumultous relationship with the Rangers as Trouba had this year, and such a well established sample of who he is as a player, it would be only reasonable to assume that his play will probably improve given a change of scenery.

Heck, even if it goes poorly... it's a risk that cost them about $10m ($4.5m this year, $6m next) that they werent going to spend anyways, and 2 somewhat irrelevant assets.

He's been bad for 3 years now.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

It was a symbiotic trade in that NyR needed to shed some cap and the Ducks needed to add some for the trade deadline and stay above the floor and contract certainty on RD next year.

 

[SnS]

If people are only going to bump this to point out his negatives. We don’t need to keep this open.

Locked.