Confirmed Trade: [ANA/NYR] Jacob Trouba for Urho Vaakanainen and 2025 4th round pick

[SeanMoneyHands]

Those jerseys look so good.

 

[onmygameboi]

What part of this makes it a “terrible trade for Anaheim”? Do people think we’re going to miss our extra 4th round pick or our 7th defenseman? Do people think the $8M cap hit is going to prevent us from doing something when we had over $20M in space? Or are people just hurt that the Rangers have $8M in cap space now?

It's a bad deal on paper. That's all we're saying.

 

[duckpuck]

It's a bad deal on paper. That's all we're saying.

Not sure its bad on paper, but it is definitely not a bad deal on the ice, which is the only relevant factor here. The ducks are better with Trouba on the roster than Vaak. And if they keep him, he'll be useful next year as well.

 

[ijuka]

What part of this makes it a “terrible trade for Anaheim”? Do people think we’re going to miss our extra 4th round pick or our 7th defenseman? Do people think the $8M cap hit is going to prevent us from doing something when we had over $20M in space? Or are people just hurt that the Rangers have $8M in cap space now?

The 16mil of cap space could have been spent on getting 3 first round picks by taking on cap dumps in return. Instead, they spent it on Trouba, while giving up a fourth. I'd rather gain 3 first round picks than lose a fourth round pick.

Hence, it's a terrible trade for Anaheim.

Not sure its bad on paper, but it is definitely not a bad deal on the ice, which is the only relevant factor here. The ducks are better with Trouba on the roster than Vaak. And if they keep him, he'll be useful next year as well.

Oh, what are Ducks competing for? The 27th place instead of 28th? Time to plan the parade.

 

[MMC]

The 16mil of cap space could have been spent on getting 3 first round picks by taking on cap dumps in return. Instead, they spent it on Trouba, while giving up a fourth. I'd rather have 3 first round picks than lose a fourth round pick.

Source?

 

[ijuka]

Source?

VANCOUVER — The Toronto Maple Leafs took a big step towards getting some salary cap relief about an hour before the NHL draft resumed Saturday.

The club shipped veteran forward Patrick Marleau, a conditional first-round pick and a seventh-round selection in 2020 to the Carolina Hurricanes for a sixth-rounder next year.

The move helps clear cap space for Toronto by removing Marleau’s US$6.25-million salary and increases the likelihood star winger Mitch Marner, who is set to become a restricted free agent on July 1, will remain with the club.

 

[MMC]

VANCOUVER — The Toronto Maple Leafs took a big step towards getting some salary cap relief about an hour before the NHL draft resumed Saturday.

The club shipped veteran forward Patrick Marleau, a conditional first-round pick and a seventh-round selection in 2020 to the Carolina Hurricanes for a sixth-rounder next year.

The move helps clear cap space for Toronto by removing Marleau’s US$6.25-million salary and increases the likelihood star winger Mitch Marner, who is set to become a restricted free agent on July 1, will remain with the club.

Try again

 

[The don godfather]

Those jerseys look so good.

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Rags are gonna regret the guys a warrior back there.

 

[Rec T]

Try again

No kidding. Take a unique circumstance and extrapolate that out into PV being able to do that not once, not twice, but three times...sure.

And then you wind up with at least three players that you most likely wouldn't want on the team in the first place...and three probable very late 1sts (given which teams would be looking to do so), few of whom, historically, go on to impressive NHL careers.

Or...

A player, NHL vet, that slots into one of the holes the Ducks have (RHD) along with the other benefits (explained multiple times itt).

Decisions, decisions...

 

[Fatass]

Rags are gonna regret the guys a warrior back there.

Watching the Rangers against Seattle and it looked like the heart was ripped out of the club. When Seattle came with the inevitable push that happen when down the Rangers struggled with compete. Lots of leaders left, of course, but how Trouba was moved might affect his teammates as much as him not being there.

 

[The don godfather]

Watching the Rangers against Seattle and it looked like the heart was ripped out of the club. When Seattle came with the inevitable push that happen when down the Rangers struggled with compete. Lots of leaders left, of course, but how Trouba was moved might affect his teammates as much as him not being there.

They look swiss cheese back there I saw the carnage.

 

[GAGLine]

Watching the Rangers against Seattle and it looked like the heart was ripped out of the club. When Seattle came with the inevitable push that happen when down the Rangers struggled with compete. Lots of leaders left, of course, but how Trouba was moved might affect his teammates as much as him not being there.

We played without Trouba against Pittsburgh and were much better. Trouba being gone is a net positive. I didn't get to watch the game yesterday, but apparently Quick was pretty bad. Maybe we gave up too many good opportunities, I don't know, but we were doing that with Trouba as well.

The team hasn't shown heart all season. Trading Trouba hasn't changed that. At some point, they have to get over it and actually play like they care.

 

[Golden_Jet]

VANCOUVER — The Toronto Maple Leafs took a big step towards getting some salary cap relief about an hour before the NHL draft resumed Saturday.

The club shipped veteran forward Patrick Marleau, a conditional first-round pick and a seventh-round selection in 2020 to the Carolina Hurricanes for a sixth-rounder next year.

The move helps clear cap space for Toronto by removing Marleau’s US$6.25-million salary and increases the likelihood star winger Mitch Marner, who is set to become a restricted free agent on July 1, will remain with the club.

lol, now read your post very carefully again.

 

[FiveTacos]

The team hasn't shown heart all season. Trading Trouba hasn't changed that. At some point, they have to get over it and actually play like they care.

One also has to consider the possibility that the team simply has reached the point where the declining core can't be wallpapered over by a great goalie anymore. We often see good teams take a sudden downturn, doesn't necessarily mean they don't care or aren't trying.

There's often a "critical mass" of players that you reach where a rebuilding team makes a big jump in play, but it can also work in reverse when you drop below that and it falls apart quickly. Sometimes all it takes is for 2 or 3 guys to drop off a little, and if the others can't make up for it ...

 

[GAGLine]

One also has to consider the possibility that the team simply has reached the point where the declining core can't be wallpapered over by a great goalie anymore. We often see good teams take a sudden downturn, doesn't necessarily mean they don't care or aren't trying.

There's often a "critical mass" of players that you reach where a rebuilding team makes a big jump in play, but it can also work in reverse when you drop below that and it falls apart quickly. Sometimes all it takes is for 2 or 3 guys to drop off a little, and if the others can't make up for it ...

That could be the case. Either way, I don't think we're going to regret trading Trouba as other posters suggested.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Watching the Rangers against Seattle and it looked like the heart was ripped out of the club. When Seattle came with the inevitable push that happen when down the Rangers struggled with compete. Lots of leaders left, of course, but how Trouba was moved might affect his teammates as much as him not being there.

They were putting forth these types of efforts with him there.

The core is the problem. Trouba was part of it.

Steps need to be taken to move on from this core.

 

[FiveTacos]

That could be the case. Either way, I don't think we're going to regret trading Trouba as other posters suggested.

Oh absolutely not. Whether it ends up being a retool or rebuild doesn't matter, they have no choice but to do some clearing out because I think this group has run its course.

 

[duckpuck]

The 16mil of cap space could have been spent on getting 3 first round picks by taking on cap dumps in return. Instead, they spent it on Trouba, while giving up a fourth. I'd rather gain 3 first round picks than lose a fourth round pick.

Hence, it's a terrible trade for Anaheim.


Oh, what are Ducks competing for? The 27th place instead of 28th? Time to plan the parade.

It's $8M of cap space. The ducks have plenty of space remaining and can still trade space for picks, though your calculation of 3 first round picks seems way off.

And the ducks are "competing for": (i) developing their young players particularly a VERY young but talented pool of d-men ; (ii) playing better on the ice including a huge need for physicality ; and (iii) not having their young guys trucked by opponents. Trouba helps with all those things.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

The 16mil of cap space could have been spent on getting 3 first round picks by taking on cap dumps in return. Instead, they spent it on Trouba, while giving up a fourth. I'd rather gain 3 first round picks than lose a fourth round pick.

Hence, it's a terrible trade for Anaheim.


Oh, what are Ducks competing for? The 27th place instead of 28th? Time to plan the parade.

The Ducks McCheap owners aren't spending anywhere close to the Cap during the rebuild.

 

[infected13]

The Ducks McCheap owners aren't spending anywhere close to the Cap during the rebuild.

My friend, no offense but why does this nonsense keep getting spread when there are plenty of news outlets and reporters that have said otherwise?

The Ducks made significant offers to free agents this past summer and no one took their offers. The Ducks don't have problems spending but it needs to make sense.

Everyone needs to stop making trades in their head off NHL 2025 and realize that's not how it works, players have a choice in where they sign and where they get traded to in the event of a NTC/NMC, and not every GM is wildly throwing around a 1st round pick to have someone take an albatross contract right now.

The reality is the Ducks are not in a good situation with Verbeek and Cronin and the widely reported issues in the locker room and it is very likely keeping players from wanting to join that on top of a current losing culture.

The Trouba trade is textbook of the types of moves Anaheim will need to make over the next few seasons to get veterans to turn things around, it's not normal to have so many young guys handling the load and it will ruin them if they don't get established players in to help.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

My friend, no offense but why does this nonsense keep getting spread when there are plenty of news outlets and reporters that have said otherwise?

The Ducks made significant offers to free agents this past summer and no one took their offers. The Ducks don't have problems spending but it needs to make sense.

Everyone needs to stop making trades in their head off NHL 2025 and realize that's not how it works, players have a choice in where they sign and where they get traded to in the event of a NTC/NMC, and not every GM is wildly throwing around a 1st round pick to have someone take an albatross contract right now.

The reality is the Ducks are not in a good situation with Verbeek and Cronin and the widely reported issues in the locker room and it is very likely keeping players from wanting to join that on top of a current losing culture.

The Trouba trade is textbook of the types of moves Anaheim will need to make over the next few seasons to get veterans to turn things around, it's not normal to have so many young guys handling the load and it will ruin them if they don't get established players in to help.

Whoops I did word it wrong, They aren't taking on a ton of dead cap hits that use up all their cap space to reach to cap. They've been trying to get big name UFA's to sign here but haven't done those Arizona style dead cap hits for draft picks. They've had all that cap space they could have taken on a lot of bad contracts for picks the last few years but haven't. They are cheap when it comes to taking on dead cap to get draft picks, but not cheap when it comes to throwing money at UFAs.

 

[MMC]

On the first pair with Fowler in his Ducks debut

 

[FiveTacos]

They've had all that cap space they could have taken on a lot of bad contracts for picks the last few years but haven't. They are cheap when it comes to taking on dead cap to get draft picks, but not cheap when it comes to throwing money at UFAs.

They've accumulated a ton of picks in other ways without having to take on bad contracts. You only have so many contract slots, only so many roster spots for developing in the AHL, etc.. There's been no shortage of draft capital in Anaheim that they needed to get more at the cost of taking on someone else's mistakes.

I mean, 12 picks in rounds 1-3 the past two years, is more than plenty in a rebuild.

 

[Jumptheshark]

lol, now read your post very carefully again.

So it is not just me scratching my head when reading the post chain .

 

[gunnergunther]

On the first pair with Fowler in his Ducks debut

over/under -3?