Confirmed Trade: [ANA/NYR] Jacob Trouba for Urho Vaakanainen and 2025 4th round pick

[LiveLongandProspal]

Can't believe this asshole was our captain. "Rite of passage to get fired at MSG". f*** off. He was f***ing terrible. Worst captain since...Drury.


Fire Drury

 

[SML2]

Before everyone crushes Verbeek, let's look forward. Trouba makes 8m for this year and next. Next season if theu are willing to eat 50% and trade him at the deadline, you see looking at like what a 2m equivalent cap hit? There will be a team that wants to add toughness at the blue line because that's what happens every year. He gets a 2nd at least and more likely a first if Trouba agrees to waive and there is still a hockey team in Toronto.

 

[Block]

A 1st might be a stretch, Trouba is still a very physical defenceman and a leader, good for a team like Anaheim and their young core. But he's what a #4? Get a 2nd or a 3rd and a b level prospect that you like?

In general, yeah you'd be right, but they wanted him out the door so much they were apparently willing to waive him. You claw NY's eyes out on the trade if they're that desperate.

 

[FiveTacos]

Well yeh he sucks. But if cap was so irrelevent, then why not take some free picks to bury him in the AHL.

Because ownership doesn't like the idea of paying millions for a player who isn't even going to be contributing in the NHL at all ... at that point it's essentially asking what's the value of about 15m of retention over 3 years. That better be some pretty impressive "free picks" to make that worthwhile.

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

Both have a better xGoals share than any regular dman on anaheim and trouba (despite trouba playing on a playoff team).

The ducks have managed to stay in the basement despite getting the best goaltending in hockey this year.

I have no idea what cherry picked bullshit “xGoals share” is but all of Mintyukov, Zellweger, Lacombe, Fowler, AND Trouba have a higher Expected Goals/60 minutes than either of those two this season. Mintyukov alone has more than the two of them combined and doubled.

And the Ducks are one win from .500, hardly a basement team right now.

But keep yelling about how Pat Verbeek should have spent more money during free agency, I’m sure he will take the advice of some random hockey forum seriously

 

[Kocur Dill]

If anyone in here wants to have words about Trouba's wife, say them now. But also post your location, as I will fight you.

My wife is going through the med-school/residency/fellowship pipeline right now, and it's more important than Trouba's career will ever be.

My wife qent through it too at a lower level as an RN.

Its gueling. They require absolute commitment. If you take a break, you start from the begining and lose all you put in money wise and family time sacrificing.

Its an all or nothing gamble for us at the lower class income level. I feel you. I do. We were on welfare for 2 years living off my School Bus drivers salary because the program required a schedule where even part time work on her part was impossible with the schoolastic workload from home on top of the class time and unpaid clinicals.

Jacob Trouba is a proffesional millionaire that slaps a puck for a living. His wife, and his family will be just fine if she stumbles and has to restart her career. They arent in the same position we were in. By a long shot. Never mind the fact, her career, schooling, residency, loans, etc...werent important enough to hold off on having a child until it was all settled and all the (honestly, not right) hardships and commitments were 100% cleared.

Adult decisions, good or bad, have adult ramifications.

They both deserve any critisizm they get for playing their cards wrong, then expecting the world around them the bend to suit them.

They aint us. Youre pontification lacks context and has no merrit.

Having millions in the bank makes all that a selfish inconvenience. What youre pounding your hard hat on the table about and what my family went through living on the lint in our pockets isnt equal.

1. get over it.
2. the threat is way over the top. buy a clue. see a therapist. the stress is clouding your judgement.

 

[KovalchukFistPump]

Trouba probably decided to waive to Anaheim because he can buy his airplane ticket back for April 20th as of today.

 

[dgibb10]

I have no idea what cherry picked bullshit “xGoals share” is but all of Mintyukov, Zellweger, Lacombe, Fowler, AND Trouba have a higher Expected Goals/60 minutes than either of those two this season. Mintyukov alone has more than the two of them combined and doubled.

And the Ducks are one win from .500, hardly a basement team right now.

But keep yelling about how Pat Verbeek should have spent more money during free agency, I’m sure he will take the advice of some random hockey forum seriously

xGoals share is expected goals %. what % of expected goals are for your team when you are on the ice.

Above 50%=winning your minutes
Below=losing your minutes.

But yes, you have figured out that martinez and brodie are defensive dmen.

Bottom 4 in points, yes you are a basement team.

Because ownership doesn't like the idea of paying millions for a player who isn't even going to be contributing in the NHL at all ... at that point it's essentially asking what's the value of about 15m of retention over 3 years. That better be some pretty impressive "free picks" to make that worthwhile.

Sounds like your ownership is dumb.

Guy overpaid by 4 mill in the NHL; WOW THIS IS GREAT WE SHOULD PAY ASSETS FOR THIS
Guy overpaid by 4.5 mill in the AHL: WOW WE WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS EVEN IF YOU GIVE US MASSIVE ASSETS

Either money matters or it doesn't. You can't pick and choose

If it does, paying for 8 mill trouba is stupid.
If it doesn't, not taking free 1sts for cap dumps like Campbell is stupid.

 

[viper0220]

Before everyone crushes Verbeek, let's look forward. Trouba makes 8m for this year and next. Next season if theu are willing to eat 50% and trade him at the deadline, you see looking at like what a 2m equivalent cap hit? There will be a team that wants to add toughness at the blue line because that's what happens every year. He gets a 2nd at least and more likely a first if Trouba agrees to waive and there is still a hockey team in Toronto.

Why would THERE NOT BE a hockey team in Toronto?

 

[dgibb10]

Before everyone crushes Verbeek, let's look forward. Trouba makes 8m for this year and next. Next season if theu are willing to eat 50% and trade him at the deadline, you see looking at like what a 2m equivalent cap hit? There will be a team that wants to add toughness at the blue line because that's what happens every year. He gets a 2nd at least and more likely a first if Trouba agrees to waive and there is still a hockey team in Toronto.

Eating 7 figures worth of money and a retention slot and hoping trouba stays healthy and someone buys him at the deadline seems like an excessively expensive and elaborate way to get picks.

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

xGoals share is expected goals %. what % of expected goals are for your team when you are on the ice.

Above 50%=winning your minutes
Below=losing your minutes.

But yes, you have figured out that martinez and brodie are defensive dmen.

Bottom 4 in points, yes you are a basement team.

It’s incredible to me that you can read advanced stats but not comprehend the fact that we are tied for the fewest games played.

We’re one win away from being in the top 20 for points %.

This rare talent and your knack for UFA negotiations will take you far as a GM. Good luck!

 

[Casper The Soy Ghost]

Thank god.

Also nice to see that he rejected a move to CBJ.

I rather have him out west. Don't want his chicken wings any near our players.

 

[viper0220]

The Ducks play the Rags on March 28, 2025, if Trouba is not traded by than and he is playing for the Ducks, I really hope Trouba lays the f*** out of Panarin.

 

[SmokeyDuck]

Cool.

If money doesn't matter why didn't the Ducks get a single player in UFA?

They had the opportunity this past offseason to get a number of better dman for less than 8 mill without giving up a pick (or you can lower the term and up the AAV like the Canes did with Orlov if you want).

Case in point is literally on their roster in Radko Gudas, who they were able to acquire, for free, for half of trouba's cap hit.

Justifying bad teams using their money poorly by pretending money doesn't matter is a weak argument. If anything teams with a lower budget should be MORE criticized for wasting those resources.

They made huge offers to Montour, Stamkos, and Marchessault, who all chose elsewhere. UFA is a two way street. Ana has to overpay to get players in UFA. We got Dumoulin and Trouba for free.

 

[Ragdoll]

In general, yeah you'd be right, but they wanted him out the door so much they were apparently willing to waive him. You claw NY's eyes out on the trade if they're that desperate.

Well there was 3-4 teams that were looking to acquire Trouba which goes back to my point about gms being stupid when it comes to not taking advantage of a team in a tight spot. So it was unlikely that New York would've had to pay anything.

Columbus was smart enough to pull their offer at some point. Good to know their gm had a brain.

 

[SmokeyDuck]

Rangers would have just waived him before retaining salary or paying a pick to offload him.

 

[BrookswasHere44]

she's a doctor with a year left in her residency. you can't just apply for a new job in anaheim to be closer to your husband and she doesn't have the ability to take time off or work from home

This is professional sports my dude. Trades happen. I don't understand why this scenario is always so public. Who cares

 

[Whoot Whoot]

That Trouba interview was sad

 

[dgibb10]

They made huge offers to Montour, Stamkos, and Marchessault, who all chose elsewhere. UFA is a two way street. Ana has to overpay to get players in UFA. We got Dumoulin and Trouba for free.

Pick other targets then or make a better negotiating pitch.

There were plenty of UFAs to go to bad teams. Montour himself went to a bad team.

Or, if you're gonna make a trade, perhaps make better trades

Eg: trade a 2nd+2nd for Marino, and take a 2nd with the Walman dump.

2nd vs 4th+4th, but you save about 3 mill AAV and get 2 much younger, better dmen who may actually still be competent by the time you try and compete again, and help you compete better in the meantime.

Or any other number of moves.

"Our GM couldn't convince a single UFA to sign here" is not the incredible argument in favour of how good he is that you think it is

 

[KovalchukFistPump]

My wife qent through it too at a lower level as an RN.

Its gueling. They require absolute commitment. If you take a break, you start from the begining and lose all you put in money wise and family time sacrificing.

Its an all or nothing gamble for us at the lower class income level. I feel you. I do. We were on welfare for 2 years living off my School Bus drivers salary because the program required a schedule where even part time work on her part was impossible with the schoolastic workload from home on top of the class time and unpaid clinicals.

Jacob Trouba is a proffesional millionaire that slaps a puck for a living. His wife, and his family will be just fine if she stumbles and has to restart her career. They arent in the same position we were in. By a long shot. Never mind the fact, her career, schooling, residency, loans, etc...werent important enough to hold off on having a child until it was all settled and all the (honestly, not right) hardships and commitments were 100% cleared.

Adult decisions, good or bad, have adult ramifications.

They both deserve any critisizm they get for playing their cards wrong, then expecting the world around them the bend to suit them.

They aint us. Youre pontification lacks context and has no merrit.

Having millions in the bank makes all that a selfish inconvenience. What youre pounding your hard hat on the table about and what my family went through living on the lint in our pockets isnt equal.

1. get over it.
2. the threat is way over the top. buy a clue. see a therapist. the stress is clouding your judgement.

Yeah life is a series of negotiations. No one will give you anything so you have to ask/demand it if you have the leverage. Rangers wanted Trouba gone this year. Trouba has the right to be mad and sulk. Now he gets to be away from his family for only 5 months and Rangers have enough time to rebuild their locker room culture in time for the playoffs.

 

[DackellDuck]

My wife qent through it too at a lower level as an RN.

Its gueling. They require absolute commitment. If you take a break, you start from the begining and lose all you put in money wise and family time sacrificing.

Its an all or nothing gamble for us at the lower class income level. I feel you. I do. We were on welfare for 2 years living off my School Bus drivers salary because the program required a schedule where even part time work on her part was impossible with the schoolastic workload from home on top of the class time and unpaid clinicals.

Jacob Trouba is a proffesional millionaire that slaps a puck for a living. His wife, and his family will be just fine if she stumbles and has to restart her career. They arent in the same position we were in. By a long shot. Never mind the fact, her career, schooling, residency, loans, etc...werent important enough to hold off on having a child until it was all settled and all the (honestly, not right) hardships and commitments were 100% cleared.

Adult decisions, good or bad, have adult ramifications.

They both deserve any critisizm they get for playing their cards wrong, then expecting the world around them the bend to suit them.

They aint us. Youre pontification lacks context and has no merrit.

Having millions in the bank makes all that a selfish inconvenience. What youre pounding your hard hat on the table about and what my family went through living on the lint in our pockets isnt equal.

1. get over it.
2. the threat is way over the top. buy a clue. see a therapist. the stress is clouding your judgement.

Lol, expecting the world to bend to them? The Rangers gave him a NMC that he chose to exercise, as was his contractual right. When it turned into a NTC, he submitted his list and was traded.

Nobody did anything bad here. No cards were played “wrong”.

Meanwhile grown adults on the internet are calling him selfish because the team they cheer for (which has no real impact on anyone’s life) had to wait a couple extra months to trade him, as if that’s some huge slight to them personally.

Pretty funny stuff!

 

[dgibb10]

It’s incredible to me that you can read advanced stats but not comprehend the fact that we are tied for the fewest games played.

We’re one win away from being in the top 20 for points %.

This rare talent and your knack for UFA negotiations will take you far as a GM. Good luck!

Apologies, you ar 7th last in points % (still the basement) despite getting the best goaltending in hockey.

 

[SML2]

Why would THERE NOT BE a hockey team in Toronto?

That was kinda the joke. Toronto with their constant playoff insecurities, would IMO, pony up at least a second for a Trouba they could fit under the cap at the deadline.

 

[winnipegger]

If anyone in here wants to have words about Trouba's wife, say them now. But also post your location, as I will fight you.

My wife is going through the med-school/residency/fellowship pipeline right now, and it's more important than Trouba's career will ever be.

Objectively not true but ok

 

[SML2]

Eating 7 figures worth of money and a retention slot and hoping trouba stays healthy and someone buys him at the deadline seems like an excessively expensive and elaborate way to get picks.

Well theres also the fact that if your team isn't good, they at least have to be entertaining. Trouba and Gudas on the same team will at least make sure some people are watching.