Confirmed Trade: [ANA/NYR] Jacob Trouba for Urho Vaakanainen and 2025 4th round pick

[Block]

I know Anaheim has tons of cap space to play with but what about actually weaponizing it. Surely there has to be teams that would pay legitimate assets to get rid of players in similar positions as Trouba (Underperforming players with fairly large cap hits). Again, just a shot at general managers around this league cause it seems to be a fairly common thing.

Yeah, if the Rangers were so anxious to get him out, make them pay at first + for taking on 8 million plus a guy who's a headache.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

If anyone in here wants to have words about Trouba's wife, say them now. But also post your location, as I will fight you.

My wife is going through the med-school/residency/fellowship pipeline right now, and it's more important than Trouba's career will ever be.

Who cares though, like at all? Hockey player's wife has a career, news at 11. It's no one else's issue other than their family.

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

If only there was a cool thing the NHL every year does where teams can acquire players by giving them money.

Surely the Ducks participated in this yearly event and acquired a player in it this past year.

Are you angry that the Ducks didn’t make you a UFA offer or something? I have no idea why you are harping on this so much.

As I already told you, Verbeek made huge offers to both Stamkos and Marchessault. He also said he was going after a top pairing RD. He tried to acquire players by giving them money. He tried to give them TOO MUCH money, and they turned it down. It’s almost like players in free agency have… agency?

This isn’t some video game simulator when you increase the number enough and a player automatically accepts. You are not some genius negotiator that has figured out a system that GMs don’t understand.

 

[dgibb10]

I would much prefer having Trouba at 8x1.5 (contract being done when the Ducks might be pressed for space) than having Stamkos, Marchessault, or Montour (players the Ducks pursued in UFA) at whatever number we’d have had to offer to pull them from their current teams at 4+ years

The ducks GM doing other stupid things doesn't make stupid thing less stupid.

Go get a Brendon Dillon at 5x2 (add a mill to cut the term) if you want a guy to be a physical guy.

Or heck even offer one of roy or pesce 8x2 or 8x3 who are much better than trouba.

Or go offer sheet a broberg.

Or go do what Chi did getting Martinez at 1x4 and Brodie at 2x3.75.

Or do what SJS did and go get Walman at 3.4x2 (and get a 2nd).

 

[JKG33]

Describing them as shit that will never win is kind of a dumb thing to say when you look at the last decade—or just last season. And I’m not even counting 2011-12.

As far as I know the Leafs haven’t done anything noteworthy.

I mean they are though. Not once have I looked at this team and thought "damn, that's a legit contender." Ever since 2014 where they were the lucky team to get clapped by the Kings, they've simply beaten the teams they should've and lost to one's thatre real contenders.

They're much closer to a team like covid Montreal (mid team carried by a great goalie) than they are to a legit champion like a Florida/Vegas/Colorado/Tampa.

The east is pretty void of contenders outside of the Florida teams this last half decade, the Rags are maybe the best of the rest. They're certainly better than Toronto, but that ain't the gotcha you seem to think it is

 

[12ozPapa]

What a f***ing weird deal for ANA to make lol

 

[dgibb10]

Are you angry that the Ducks didn’t make you a UFA offer or something? I have no idea why you are harping on this so much.

As I already told you, Verbeek made huge offers to both Stamkos and Marchessault. He also said he was going after a top pairing RD. He tried to acquire players by giving them money. He tried to give them TOO MUCH money, and they turned it down. It’s almost like players in free agency have… agency?

This isn’t some video game simulator when you increase the number enough and a player automatically accepts. You are not some genius negotiator that has figured out a system that GMs don’t understand.

If you can't build a desirable destination and make a good pitch to players in California that's on you as a GM.

Failing at doing your job in UFA doesn't make paying for a cap dump a good move.

Or at least get assets if you're going to make a trade like this, such as how SJS did.

Or if you want servicable, do what another bottom feeder in chi did and get Brodie and Martinez

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

If you can't build a desirable destination and make a good pitch to players in California that's on you as a GM.

Or maybe players don’t want to join a team that’s been dogshit for years? Wow what a shocking idea

 

[MMC]

The ducks GM doing other stupid things doesn't make stupid thing less stupid.

Go get a Brendon Dillon at 5x2 (add a mill to cut the term) if you want a guy to be a physical guy.

Or heck even offer one of roy or pesce 8x2 or 8x3 who are much better than trouba.

Or go offer sheet a broberg.

Or go do what Chi did getting Martinez at 1x4 and Brodie at 2x3.75.

Or do what SJS did and go get Walman at 3.4x2 (and get a 2nd).

Or we can acquire Trouba and laugh as fans of other teams who aren’t affected by it bitch about it

 

[dgibb10]

Or we can acquire Trouba and laugh as fans of other teams who aren’t affected by it bitch about it

Anaheim is the butt of this joke.

Or maybe players don’t want to join a team that’s been dogshit for years? Wow what a shocking idea

Chi managed to bring in Brodie and Martinez.

Again, if your GM is so bad at free agency and trading that his best option is to pay assets for Trouba, it might be time to find a new GM

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

Anaheim is the butt of this joke.


Chi managed to bring in Brodie and Martinez.

Omg Brodie AND Martinez? GM masterclass!!

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Are you angry that the Ducks didn’t make you a UFA offer or something? I have no idea why you are harping on this so much.

As I already told you, Verbeek made huge offers to both Stamkos and Marchessault. He also said he was going after a top pairing RD. He tried to acquire players by giving them money. He tried to give them TOO MUCH money, and they turned it down. It’s almost like players in free agency have… agency?

This isn’t some video game simulator when you increase the number enough and a player automatically accepts. You are not some genius negotiator that has figured out a system that GMs don’t understand.

I believe Montour stated that the Ducks were one of the more aggressive suitors for his services this off season as well. So like you said, they definitely made some attempts to sign UFAs with their cap space (have signed some in recent years as well), but you can't hand out blank cheques. Paying minimal assets for a vet like Trouba with little term remaining is way less potentially damaging than a bloated long term deal on a UFA.

The term is the part people aren't grasping here. Trouba for one more year at 8M cap hit and 6M salary, is not getting in the way of any future plans the Ducks may have.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

I'm surprised the Rangers didn't have to retain anything.

 

[MMC]

Chi managed to bring in Brodie and Martinez.

And clearly it’s been nothing but rainbows and sunshine for that team ever since

 

[dgibb10]

Omg Brodie AND Martinez? GM masterclass!!

Better and cheaper than Trouba and didn't have to pay a pick to get them

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

Better and cheaper than Trouba and didn't have to pay a pick to get them

Wow, with a GM that smart their team must be really good

 

[WhatTheDuck]

And clearly it’s been nothing but rainbows and sunshine for that team ever since

Not exactly the model franchise you want to follow

 

[Jersey Fresh]

And they followed up doing the exact same thing with Kreider and Zibanejad lol. That locker room must be toxic as hell.

 

[FiveTacos]

Why wasnt the Cap irrelevent to the Ducks when we were trying to pay you to take on Campbell!? Now all of a sudden the cap is irrelevant?!

Because ... the Ducks didn't actually want Campbell in any way shape or form, even as a backup? High salary AND term AND he's not an NHL caliber player.

 

[dgibb10]

And clearly it’s been nothing but rainbows and sunshine for that team ever since

Both have a better xGoals share than any regular dman on anaheim and trouba (despite trouba playing on a playoff team).

The ducks have managed to stay in the basement despite getting the best goaltending in hockey this year.

 

[TheNumber4]

Because ... the Ducks didn't actually want Campbell in any way shape or form, even as a backup? High salary AND term AND he's not an NHL caliber player.

Well yeh he sucks. But if cap was so irrelevent, then why not take some free picks to bury him in the AHL.

 

[Vipers31]

Well yeh he sucks. But if cap was so irrelevent, then why not take some free picks to bury him in the AHL.

A) While the cap doesn't matter so much, the actual payroll isn't irrelevant to the organization at the current stage.
B) We have no idea what kind of picks were offered, if at all. Not like any other team was enticed enough, either.

 

[viper0220]

Even with this salary, the Ducks have $14 million in cap space.

I like this for the Ducks, they should be able to get a 2nd round pick(maybe), if Trouba turns it around and they retain 50%.

 

[BergyWho37]

Not sure if I’m too late.. but here it goes

Live feed of Radko Gudas

It’s happening the bash brothers on the Ducks

Gudas on the left with Trouba supporting the lettuce on the right.



Keep your heads up out west

 

[Ragdoll]

This concept may be entirely foreign to you but one way a team can “weaponize” their cap space is by bringing in players who can help them

Why not both though. Fact is, Trouba isn't performing to his contract and is unlikely to for the remainder of it. Why not bring someone in that you believe can turn it around but also take advantage of New York being tight against the cap and needing a kick in the ass to get the team going.

No need to get personal lmao

Yeah, if the Rangers were so anxious to get him out, make them pay at first + for taking on 8 million plus a guy who's a headache.

A 1st might be a stretch, Trouba is still a very physical defenceman and a leader, good for a team like Anaheim and their young core. But he's what a #4? Get a 2nd or a 3rd and a b level prospect that you like?