All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XIII - the 23 deadline approaches

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Ok my point is with a defensive heavy system i dont see that bringing a guy over is automatically going to give the team some auto score sniper. Dont get me wrong adding another scorer would be great and needed I just don't think if we miss out its like we are gonna get bounced in round one. Too much luck goes into winning the cup and the Canes are a damn good team they way they are

I get what you are saying, but I think the "don't score as much in a heavy defensive system" is overplayed on here and in the media. I don't remember a forward that left here and went on to score more at their next location 5v5 (which is where the defensive structure systems comes into play). Lindholm and Skinner never played in Rod's system and were traded before that. In fact, Lindholm played in the same system under the same coach when traded and his numbers took off because he was playing with better players and he developed.

Trocheck, for instance is scoring at a rate of 0.49 Goals / 60 and 1.73 Points /60 in NY. His numbers in his 2 seasons in Carolina were both higher: 0.87/2.02. and 0.67/1.87

Nino's last two seasons in Carolina were 1.01/1.87. and 1.1/2.27 Goals/points per 60. In NSH, he scored at 1.16/1.73.

In the past, i've looked at other guys like Foegele, McGinn, Haula, etc... and none of them scored better than when they were in Carolina.

Don't get me wrong, I 100% think we need to bring in a guy that is a scorer, and the Canes felt the same way, thus the signing of Pacioretty. I just don't think we have a bunch of guys on this team that would suddenly score 10 more goals 5v5 if they switched teams, nor do I think a guy like Pacioretty or Meier would suddenly have their numbers drop dramatically because they came to Carolina.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

He’s awful no chance

I'm going to get a good laugh from all of you if Klingberg is in fact the defensive pickup, as I've mentioned on here recently. I'm going to personally go in a different direction and say the pickup will be for Mike Reilly and a 3rd round pick. Apparently they're snooping around the left-shot market and Reilly qualifies as that while Klingberg does not.

 

[Identity404]

He’s awful no chance

He can't be worse than Coghlan, and could help the PP. The Borg has seen something in him in the past and he's on a terrible ducks team. Some players just play uninspired hockey when they are in the basement.

I would be disappointed if he was out target, but not shocked.

 

[Borsig]

That's BS. Trocheck and Skjei were acquired on deadline day.

You're right - I thought it was like the 20th and that TDL was always like the 28th or 1st.

 

[Joe McGrath]

I fully expect that Meier will sign an extension with the team that acquires him. Maybe not immediately but it will get done. That's the hockey way.

What if Carolina was never that team? What if he has no interest in signing here?

It sure sounds like wants to go to Vegas.

 

[Lempo]

Meier could have also communicated that he was not open to extending in Raleigh, like his camp somehow was able to do with Winnipeg. That’d be a reason to not meet what the Devils or Knights are maybe offering.

I don't know how that statement came to the public, but his camp doesn't really need to talk with Winnipeg before his announcing in clear terms that no way no how will I be signing an extension to Winnipeg to shy them away from offering a trade. It's sad that a location is so universally panned but it is what it is.

 

[moses malone 12]

What if Carolina was never that team? What if he has no interest in signing here?

It sure sounds like wants to go to Vegas.

you could be correct. Not sure if there is any truth to players not viewing the Canes as an attractive team/market. If Carolina is willing to pay market value to a player, they sign the contract.

 

[Borsig]

I don't know how that statement came to the public, but his camp doesn't really need to talk with Winnipeg before his announcing in clear terms that no way no how will I be signing an extension to Winnipeg to shy them away from offering a trade. It's sad that a location is so universally panned but it is what it is.

Maybe he wanted to go to NY for free like everyone else.

 

[StormCast]

any truth to the Elliot Friedman comment that Carolina might be circling a player(s) with term not widely viewed as being on the trading block?

Konecny?

 

[spockBokk]

Barbashev to Vegas, oh well

Konecny?

He’s hurt

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I told y'all a week or two ago:

Eric and Marc will be our pickups. If we can't hit big on the deadline, go for ol'reliable and try and appease the fan base emotionally.

Probably would have gotten Nino if we had been informed of the Meier news earlier.

 

[StormCast]

Barbashev to Vegas, oh well


He’s hurt

Not serious or long-term.

 

[Svechhammer]

you could be correct. Not sure if there is any truth to players not viewing the Canes as an attractive team/market. If Carolina is willing to pay market value to a player, they sign the contract.

When the entire old guard NHL community has been trashing the Raleigh market for 25 years, it shouldn't surprise anyone that many players go out of their way to avoid playing here.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I told y'all a week or two ago:

Eric and Marc will be our pickups. If we can't hit big on the deadline, go for ol'reliable and try and appease the fan base emotionally.

Probably would have gotten Nino if we had been informed of the Meier news earlier.

That's a Jim move, not a Waddell/Yorke/Tulsky move. Not a chance.

 

[Borsig]

I told y'all a week or two ago:

Eric and Marc will be our pickups. If we can't hit big on the deadline, go for ol'reliable and try and appease the fan base emotionally.

Probably would have gotten Nino if we had been informed of the Meier news earlier.

Nino would have been a popular trade

 

[Lempo]

Maybe he wanted to go to NY for free like everyone else.

I think he got some teams he will extend with, some teams he won't extend with, and then some like Peg that are no, hell no.

 

[Svechhammer]

Barbashev to Vegas, oh well


He’s hurt

If the Flyers are looking to blow it up, and I'm not convinced they are, I'd definitely be on the phone asking what it would cost to get Konecny and Provorov.

 

[ndp]

Schmaltz & Ghost is where my money is.

Deep down in our hearts we all knew Meier was pie in the sky.

 

[Svechhammer]

I'd still hit up Nashville and see if there is any way they'd entertain a similar package to what we offered for Meier, with additional add ons, for Forsberg

 

[bobc222]

I think Schmaltz+Chychrun is the play here. Ghost doesn't make sense from a value perspective, and he's not stellar defensively when we already have Burns anchoring the PP.

Probably for 1st + Drury + Morrow.

You get another top 6 F, maybe not the ideal option but the real value is long term with Chychrun. He and Slavin become your defensive anchors. You try to move Skjei at the draft. Then, when the time comes, you do whatever it takes to sign Slavin, and hope Pesce takes a good deal. If not he walks, but you have Nikishin making his way into the league over the next 3 years.

 

[moses malone 12]

When the entire old guard NHL community has been trashing the Raleigh market for 25 years, it shouldn't surprise anyone that many players go out of their way to avoid playing here.

I hear you but Dundon has done a lot to change the culture and identity of this team and market. Stadium game being the latest example. RBA seems to be universally loved by players who play for him. That should be a major factor in any player's evaluation of this team.

It's too bad on Meier but time to move on.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Schmaltz & Ghost is where my money is.

Deep down in our hearts we all knew Meier was pie in the sky.

I never once predicted that the Canes would get Meier. I always said that it would be for a player that few are talking about, because that's what they always do. I don't even think it'll be for Schmaltz; I think it'll be for Boeser. No one has Carolina connected to Boeser with the Minnesota rumors running wild, but unlike Minnesota, Carolina actually has the long-term cap to hold the contract in full.

 

[moses malone 12]

I'd still hit up Nashville and see if there is any way they'd entertain a similar package to what we offered for Meier, with additional add ons, for Forsberg

that would be a home run IMO. I think Forsberg is exactly the type of player for this team. I have been advocating for him since last year.

 

[User13452]

I think Schmaltz+Chychrun is the play here. Ghost doesn't make sense from a value perspective, and he's not stellar defensively when we already have Burns anchoring the PP.

Probably for 1st + Drury + Morrow.

You get another top 6 F, maybe not the ideal option but the real value is long term with Chychrun. He and Slavin become your defensive anchors. You try to move Skjei at the draft. Then, when the time comes, you do whatever it takes to sign Slavin, and hope Pesce takes a good deal. If not he walks, but you have Nikishin making his way into the league over the next 3 years.

They aren’t getting both those players for that package. That would be the package for just chykrun

 

[Blueline Bomber]

If we're talking to Arizona about Schmaltz, talk to them about Vejmelka as well.