All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XIII - the 23 deadline approaches

[A Star is Burns]

If we acquire Hayes while the Rangers get Tarasenko and the Devils get Meier, you can't help but feel the power shift in the division.

Pretty sure I could help it.

 

[TomppaKoo]

Canes still need a clinical goal scorer. I don't know who'd be available. It sux that the one they already got is injured for the eternity. They got everything else intact.

 

[Canes]

I wonder how many of them actually live "in the city". I know Marc Staal used to live in Connecticut, for instance. I've read before that many of them live in rented homes out in Long Beach or other parts of Long Island, which still has a high cost of living, but not as high as being in Manhattan).

That's the funny part. I don't think many of them actually live in Manhattan. Maybe Panarin because that was basically his dream. But even then I can't imagine him liking paying 2-3 million dollars for a 1000 square foot place in Manhattan. Maybe that's why he sometimes plays bad and Rags fans are up his ass about his play?

 

[MinJaBen]

Puljujarvi is rumored/speculated to be waived this weekend. Here comes our big add at the deadline.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

Hell no to Kevin Hayes. Having cap space is such an incredibly valuable commodity in this league. Getting Hayes for $7.1M who is signed for THREE years after this one just crushes our chance of re-signing our group of UFAs after the 23-24 season. The only way it's worth it is if we get a top 5 pick.

Trading for Kevin Hayes with $1M retention for this much term is still an extremely negative asset. I just don't see any good to be had there.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Flyers would be retaining around 33% to make any trade of Hayes

 

[The Faulker 27]

I'm not sure about Hayes, but that's more of the type of move I could see them making. Lower risk/cost, with the possibility of upside. I'm not crazy about some of his stats, but he'd be another player that can score goals. Although, he's far from an elite goal scorer. Probably more like what we already have.

He has 2 more goals than Jordan Staal without the physicality, face off percentage, and 2 way game. To put it in perspective.

As long as discount Jordan Staal comes at a discount.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Puljujarvi is rumored/speculated to be waived this weekend. Here comes our big add at the deadline.

He would never make it to us in the waiver order, but you could do worse as a Kase replacement for this year, Fast replacement for next year.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Hell no to Kevin Hayes. Having cap space is such an incredibly valuable commodity in this league. Getting Hayes for $7.1M who is signed for THREE years after this one just crushes our chance of re-signing our group of UFAs after the 23-24 season. The only way it's worth it is if we get a top 5 pick.

Trading for Kevin Hayes with $1M retention for this much term is still an extremely negative asset. I just don't see any good to be had there.

I'm not a hell-no on anyone. It simply depends on the price tag. Especially because it's Philly who we're talking about.

 

[Vagrant]

I think we have a tube of toothpaste situation happening here with every contender and their 1st round pick and expendable prospects. there's more talent than there has ever been out there in a deadline situation in my memory and teams have a hierarchy of preference that goes something like when San Jose makes a decision on Meier, we shift focus to Vancouver and Boeser, when they make their decision, we shift to blah blah etc. and with only one first round pick from each team available, there's the teams with the most valuable assets holding up the avalanche. I think we will see a rapid fire succession when the seal breaks.

 

[ndp]

Hayes always came across as the ultimate meat-head to me, even more so than TDA. He just seems like the type of guy that would be digging ditches if he weren’t a professional athlete. He’s like one major injury away from applying for his union card down at the Local 88. If Torts is done with the guy does he have the gray matter to play for RBA?

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

I'm not a hell-no on anyone. It simply depends on the price tag. Especially because it's Philly who we're talking about.

Whether we get a good deal on him or not is irrelevant imo. Is Hayes the guy who’s going to put us over the top to hopefully win a cup?

 

[Borsig]

Just saw this. Don’t know how reliable the source is

I'd rather have tda back with retention

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Whether we get a good deal on him or not is irrelevant imo. Is Hayes the guy who’s going to put us over the top to hopefully win a cup?

My general point is, would I take Hayes at full cap hit for Philly's unprotected 1st? You bet. With the kind of cap space that the Canes sport, such uses of cap space, while a big long-shot to say the least, have a small possibility of coming to fruition. I'd even be willing to swing at a cap hit around Trocheck's old cap hit if the return is FC.

 

[Brock Anton]

I'm not a hell-no on anyone. It simply depends on the price tag. Especially because it's Philly who we're talking about.

Well, Philly isn't giving us their 1st (the only real valuable thing they have) to take on Hayes. So, yeah. Hell no on Kevin Hayes.

I called ROR bad and washed about 10 pages ago, but I'd still take him over Hayes. At least you're done with him after the season and not 2-3 more years like Hayes.

 

[ndp]

This team needs at a minimum one more potentially game changing forward. We’ve got Aho and sometimes Svech who IMO are those type of players. Potentially Necas if he keeps his level of play up. They need the type of player that’s a threat to score every time their skate touches the ice. The Hurricanes just don’t have enough of that in the top six right now. They’re too easy to match up when not at home.

I'd rather have tda back with retention

100%

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

This team needs at a minimum one more potentially game changing forward. We’ve got Aho and sometimes Svech who IMO are those type of players. Potentially Necas if he keeps his level of play up. They need the type of player that’s a threat to score every time their skate touches the ice. The Hurricanes just don’t have enough of that in the top six right now. They’re too easy to match up when not at home.


100%

Jarvis has the potential to become that type of player but isn't yet. Necas is that player if his current level of play is the new normal.

 

[Chan790]

My general point is, would I take Hayes at full cap hit for Philly's unprotected 1st?

That's an absurd question on par with "Would you give me 12% of your paycheck for the next 3 years in exchange for a <15% chance to win a Ferrari?"

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

That's an absurd question on par with "Would you give me 12% of your paycheck for the next 3 years in exchange for a <15% chance to win a Ferrari?"

Not quite. It's more like <15% chance for a Ferrari (Bedard/Fantilli) and a 30% chance of a Mercedes S-Class (anything below them in the top-10).

 

[ndp]

Jarvis has the potential to become that type of player but isn't yet. Necas is that player if his current level of play is the new normal.

Unless Jarvis magically puts on a few lbs and becomes that player between now and April 13th that doesn’t count for much.

 

[chaz4hockey]

My general point is, would I take Hayes at full cap hit for Philly's unprotected 1st? You bet. With the kind of cap space that the Canes sport, such uses of cap space, while a big long-shot to say the least, have a small possibility of coming to fruition. I'd even be willing to swing at a cap hit around Trocheck's old cap hit if the return is FC.

A nice what-if but No GM is going to give up his shot at Bedard.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Hayes always came across as the ultimate meat-head to me, even more so than TDA. He just seems like the type of guy that would be digging ditches if he weren’t a professional athlete. He’s like one major injury away from applying for his union card down at the Local 88. If Torts is done with the guy does he have the gray matter to play for RBA?

I hope Tulsky can come up with a digging ditches/60 metric so the front office can stay away from guys like that.

 

[MinJaBen]

He would never make it to us in the waiver order, but you could do worse as a Kase replacement for this year, Fast replacement for next year.

Yeah, I figured no one takes him off waivers, then we negotiate a trade with either retention or compensation. Like Max.

 

[Vagrant]

I think our chances on Timo are less than 50% and the Devils are favorites. I think if we can bring in Patrick Kane at a lower cost, jilted by the Rangers and perhaps Devils, we might have some motivated parties. I think Kane believes he's playing for his legacy and would like to go somewhere realistic to compete. I think at this point you worry less about positional fit and more about game changing ability. Kevin Hayes is not that guy. Adam Henrique is not that guy.

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

I think our chances on Timo are less than 50% and the Devils are favorites. I think if we can bring in Patrick Kane at a lower cost, jilted by the Rangers and perhaps Devils, we might have some motivated parties. I think Kane believes he's playing for his legacy and would like to go somewhere realistic to compete. I think at this point you worry less about positional fit and more about game changing ability. Kevin Hayes is not that guy. Adam Henrique is not that guy.

Kane is going to go to Boston