All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XIII - the 23 deadline approaches

[Sigurd]

On the 3rd pairing front:



Safe to rule Carolina out with that cost then since we'll be focusing more on improving our top 6, and I doubt we get a good top 6 forward without trading our 1st.

Going back to Seravalli's trade board, he listed Nick Seeler at 25 on his list. We probably try to get a guy like him that isn't getting much attention for a depth defenseman with a lower trade price. His contract is cheap, and he'll be a UFA. So, he's more expendable.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

I’d do a 1st for McCabe at 50%. He’s a top 4 guy and having another one of those at $2m per year would be well worth a late 1st.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

On the 3rd pairing front:



Safe to rule Carolina out with that cost then since we'll be focusing more on improving our top 6, and I doubt we get a good top 6 forward without trading our 1st.

Going back to Seravalli's trade board, he listed Nick Seeler at 25 on his list. We probably try to get a guy like him that isn't getting much attention for a depth defenseman with a lower trade price. His contract is cheap, and he'll be a UFA. So, he's more expendable.

Seeler has an extra year remaining, actually. I could see him being a Cane with Megna off of the board.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I’d do a 1st for McCabe at 50%. He’s a top 4 guy and having another one of those at $2m per year would be well worth a late 1st.

Yeah, if we end up not able to get a Meier type, then use the 1st for retained McCabe and some other assets for one of the second tier forward rentals.

It's not exactly my preferred route, but it makes some sense and fits some of our philosophies of loving dmen and term. It also sets them up to move one of the lower term existing dmen this summer if they choose.

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

Why spend a first on McCabe when they could potentially get TDA for cheap/ free. We know both Slavin TDA and Chat Burns work as pairs. Also TDA would be off the books in 2 years when the whole core needs a new contract

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Why spend a first on McCabe when they could potentially get TDA for cheap/ free. We know both Slavin TDA and Chat Burns work as pairs. Also TDA would be off the books in 2 years when the whole core needs a new contract

TDA works until the playoffs. He works fine at home when you control the matchups but it quite exposed at home. Pass on the Slavin-TDA pair

 

[Discipline Daddy]

I honestly think the Borg is more in the Meier sweepstakes just to drive the price up for New Jersey. It's completely in our interests to make them move Nemec out west.

Crouse would be a huge add but he'll be costly as well. I see a Brandon Hagel type return there. I'm still on the Adam Henrique bandwagon. I think his acquisition cost is less than a first.

I also don't see the fit with McCabe, unless we absolutely zag and deal Skjei in a separate transaction. Feasibly if we think McCabe would mesh with us, we could increase team control with an additional contract year and also gain a small amount of assets, as Skjei's value around the league has to be sky-high right now, for the right team. I mentioned we could feasibly do a similar thing with Dmitry Orlov but we'd have to pay the UFA prices. All of this is pretty complex and I think the simplest solution is to stick with what we have.

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

TDA works until the playoffs. He works fine at home when you control the matchups but it quite exposed at home. Pass on the Slavin-TDA pair

New defensemen have shown time and time again that it takes 1/2 a year plus to be able to succeed in the canes system. TDA is flawed defensively but he knows the system. McCabe would not be integrated to the system by the playoffs. Also when you have all of Slavin, Burns, Pesce, and Skjei eating minutes in the playoffs you’re better able to hide TDAs defensive flaws, even on the road.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Why spend a first on McCabe when they could potentially get TDA for cheap/ free. We know both Slavin TDA and Chat Burns work as pairs. Also TDA would be off the books in 2 years when the whole core needs a new contract

McCabe is so much better than TDA

 

[Discipline Daddy]

Actually the Skjei/McCabe thing makes a lot of sense if we get any retention as it'd enable us to basically re-sign the whole group (Aho+Jarvis+Pesce+Teuvo) if we wanted to, and we could maybe also go big game hunting for another forward to add to the group. Damn there are a lot of moving parts since normally we don't see this many guys in play.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

McCabe is so much better than TDA

McCabe is different than TDA. I personally prefer the latter to the former in our teams' context, where we have a plethora of great defensive D.

IMO, I don't think that McCabe makes a lot of sense for our team's cap structure. The Canes have one of the best cap situations among contending clubs league-wide, and they don't need to pay a premium for salary retention. It's way more likely, IMO, that the Canes will accept a bloated contract that has an extra year remaining in exchange for draft compensation.

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

Skjei is playing almost 22 minutes a night (with minimal PP time) on arguably the hardest defensive system to learn in the NHL. Trading him at this point in the season would be one of the stupidest moves the canes could make.

Edit: he’s also out there again the other teams top lines night in and night out

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

@TheRillestPaulFenton

We can trade coghlan to philly for TDA, Hayes and Philly’s first

Then simultaneously flipping Turbo for assets, add our first to that package for meier at 50%. Profit.

Totally realistic

 

[mikeyfan]

Bally reportedly filing banx next week.

Question is which team’s co tracts will they reject?

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The big question for me is how will this affect the 24-25 cap projection? Right no it’s projected at $87,500,000. I’ll it stagnate at 83,500,000 as predicted for for the 23-24 season? Or will 23-24 stay at 82,500,000.
either way it could work in the Canes favor if the NHL announces the change prior to the trade deadline

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

McCabe is different than TDA. I personally prefer the latter to the former in our teams' context, where we have a plethora of great defensive D.

IMO, I don't think that McCabe makes a lot of sense for our team's cap structure. The Canes have one of the best cap situations among contending clubs league-wide, and they don't need to pay a premium for salary retention. It's way more likely, IMO, that the Canes will accept a bloated contract that has an extra year remaining in exchange for draft compensation.

Unless we think Morrow is ready getting McCabe at 50% makes a ton of sense as insurance if Skjei/Pesce walk, both will be able to demand massive contracts at UFA and with Slavin coming up soon too I don’t see us paying them both. Maybe if they’ll take less to stay here. Then we’ve got McCabe on the cheap and can use that money on scoring forwards. Our 1st is really not worth much for us, we get high upside out of later round picks anyways, I make that deal in a heartbeat.

That said, I do think we get outbid by a team like Toronto who has more of a need on D than us.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Unless we think Morrow is ready getting McCabe at 50% makes a ton of sense as insurance if Skjei/Pesce walk, both will be able to demand massive contracts at UFA and with Slavin coming up soon too I don’t see us paying them both. Maybe if they’ll take less to stay here. Then we’ve got McCabe on the cheap and can use that money on scoring forwards. Our 1st is really not worth much for us, we get high upside out of later round picks anyways, I make that deal in a heartbeat.

That said, I do think we get outbid by a team like Toronto who has more of a need on D than us.

Morrow's is bound to be Burns' successor, not Pesce's. My personal opinion, though, is that the presence of Nikishin (and potentially Chatfield as a bridge guy if he keeps up this level of play) will allow the Canes to let Skjei and/or Pesce pursue potentially-albatross money in UFA. There are several bridge options available every offseason to deal with the gap between the youth and the veterans.

 

[MadeUpName]

If Carolina is trading away their 1st round pick then I sure as hell hope a 3rd pairing D isn't the main return. Gross.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

I should be clear I think Brady Skjei may be our best defenseman this year. I love the guy, and not just for his hair. Trading him for McCabe or anybody has a high risk of making the team worse in the short term.


Separate thought. What about saving some long-term space and not going after a player with term, and then parlaying that into trying to get DeBrincat this offseason at a reduced price? Maybe the cost right now for Timo Meier is sky high, but the price for DeBrincat seems to be cooler. It's worth exploring that option at least.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

If Carolina is trading away their 1st round pick then I sure as hell hope a 3rd pairing D isn't the main return. Gross.

i mean we said the same thing about skjei......

 

[MadeUpName]

i mean we said the same thing about skjei......

I did not at all. I was very happy with the Skjei trade. Skjei was/is a solid 2nd pairing D that was signed for 5 more years at a reasonable rate. McCabe is a 3rd pairing JAG signed for 2 more years.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I did not at all. I was very happy with the Skjei trade. Skjei was/is a solid 2nd pairing D that was signed for 5 more years at a reasonable rate. McCabe is a 3rd pairing JAG signed for 2 more years.

Skjei wasnt even a 2LD when we traded for him so I am going to need to see receipts.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

i mean we said the same thing about skjei......

And McCabe has actually been playing better these last 2 years than Skjei was for the Rags leading up to the trade.

I haven't seen anyone suggesting trading Skjei. The McCabe trade is about making our 3rd pair significantly better this year (which is critical in the playoffs on the road so we can avoid teams matching up their top lines against our weaker 3rd pair, this was a real issue last year with Smith/Cole) and giving us insurance/bridge for if we do need to let one of Skjei or Pesce walk. CDH has been fine, maybe a bit better than Smith/Cole last year, but he's still a bit weak out there for a contending team. Chat has been playing out of his mind but not good enough defensively to anchor that pair. McCabe/Chatfield with CDH as the 7 instead of Coghlan immediately helps this team a lot in the playoffs, and it's a medium term play too with having him 2 more years on a cheap cap hit. I wouldn't trade for his entire cap hit, only at 50%, that's where the value would be for us.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I know that everyone is clowning me about my opinion on Kevin Hayes, but as ridiculously exaggerated as my original point was about Philly's 1st round pick, I think that it still holds true that the Canes have a huge opportunity with the accrued cap space to potentially acquire more draft capital. Especially when it comes to the bottom pair, there are several teams out there that took bad UFA bets for their top-4 defense but used those contracts on players that may still be serviceable on a bottom pair.

 

[MadeUpName]

Skjei wasnt even a 2LD when we traded for him so I am going to need to see receipts.

You are right. He was NYR #1 LD next to Trouba. Part of the issue is he was over slotted next to a bad partner.

Check www.naturalstattrick.com for receipts if you want. It is all there.

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=n&v=t&playerid=8476869

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

Skjei wasnt even a 2LD when we traded for him so I am going to need to see receipts.

He was playing over 20 minutes a night which makes him a 2nd pair D. I remember this board being pretty mixed on the deal at the time