All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XIII - the 23 deadline approaches

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I get this train of thought, but I don’t see how this thought squares with their pursuit of Tkachuk. Do you think they were ignorant of the contract that was need there, or do you think that they were prepared to trade Necas for one year of his QO and then roll the dice?

I think there are two tiers of contracts they are willing sign: young super star players at UFA, and everyone else. That first tier is higher and something we haven’t seen them do yet. Hard to say what they will and won’t do.

100 point power forwards are worth a ton on the market. I would willing to bet a bunch our final offer wasnt 100 point forward worthy. Calgary was backed into a corner and forced to take the best offer. They couldn’t wait for a typical value deal and their market size was limited. Then florida came in.

Eichel was distressed asset. Buffalo wanted 1C compensation, we weren’t willing to go there.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I get this train of thought, but I don’t see how this thought squares with their pursuit of Tkachuk. Do you think they were ignorant of the contract that was need there, or do you think that they were prepared to trade Necas for one year of his QO and then roll the dice?

I thought about that before posting. To me, pursuing him and getting to the point where you have to commit to the contract are two different things. We've seen news come out of this front office before with Aho and older guys like Hamilton, where they've outright stated 'we were close' or 'we gave a competitive offer' only to hear news otherwise.

My point is what is leaked to the news can be misleading until a deal actually happens.

I think there are two tiers of contracts they are willing sign: young super star players at UFA, and everyone else. That first tier is higher and something we haven’t seen them do yet. Hard to say what they will and won’t do.

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[MadeUpName]

A. if Skjei was anything more than a 1D or 2D by minutes NYR wouldnt have traded him. so call it moving the goal posts but I stand by he wasnt even their 2D. Teams hunting for the playoffs dont make those moves if he truly was a top 4 LHD in their eyes.

B. no receipts for madeupname in that thread.

C. Canesfansbudman trying to say our LHD wasnt deep. We had Forsling waiting right there and we wouldnt let him.

we got super lucky with the trade though. We were a quarter of an inch from missing a pick in that draft and eventually Jarvis.

It is GoldiFox. One of the first posts praising the move. Or SvechniCanesCup. Or LSPWolfpack. Or JussiJuice. Depending on how far back to go.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

I find the expected parameters for an acquisition not to be practical. The player has to be in their mid-20s, have multiple years of term/control at a friendly hit and be available for the assets the Canes have to offer (not a 1-for-1 hockey trade). They could be waiting for that player to become available indefinitely, while they struggle to reach the 2 GF/G mark in the playoffs (as has been the case in the 4 series eliminations). That’s going to wear on them at a certain point.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I find the expected parameters for an acquisition not to be practical. The player has to be in their mid-20s, have multiple years of term/control at a friendly hit and be available for the assets the Canes have to offer (not a 1-for-1 hockey trade). They could be waiting for that player to become available indefinitely, while they struggle to reach the 2 GF/G mark in the playoffs (as has been the case in the 4 series eliminations). That’s going to wear on them at a certain point.

I think most fans agree, but until they show differently in their actions, it's hard to accept that they'll change, even if, as you've stated, it's not practical. I'm not complaining though. This front office has brought about the most sustained success we've seen so they are doing a lot of things right.

 

[spockBokk]

Kase might be back in early March:

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Kase might be back in early March:

that is likely back from his home, not back as in playing.

 

[spockBokk]

that is likely back from his home, not back as in playing.

Don’t think you can completely discount him coming back. If he’s coming back to Raleigh, there’s a chance he tries to come back before the playoffs, albeit small.

 

[Ole Gil]

I hate to be a negative Nancy Negan , but I was thinking the same thing. For Meier to sign any extension, it's likely going to start with a 9, or he'll just take his qualifying offer and become a UFA the next year. The ability to sign an 8 year deal isn't much leverage in his situation, because he can take 1 year at $10M and sign a 7 year deal at $9M+ in UFA and still come out ahead.

I know many say the Canes front office would treat him differently as he's not 28+ and/or it's an inflection point for the Canes where they'll make a move like that, but until I see them do it, I'm skeptical. Thus I think we will have a tough time in a Meier deal. Hope I'm wrong, but that's how I see it.

72 million in the bank vs. 10m and hoping to stay health, keep performing well, and then cash in for an extra 10 million.

It's an interesting decision.

 

[Ole Gil]

Regarding NYR moving Skjei, that's exactly the kind of deal that teams who hand out big FA contracts have to make.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Arizona Coyotes D Jakob Chychrun a healthy scratch due to 'trade related reasons' | TSN

It appears Arizona Coyotes star defenceman Jakob Chychrun could be on the move. Ahead of Saturday's game against the St. Louis Blues, the team announced on Twitter that Chychrun would be a healthy scratch due to "trade related reasons."

www.tsn.ca

 

[MinJaBen]

Arizona Coyotes D Jakob Chychrun a healthy scratch due to 'trade related reasons' | TSN

It appears Arizona Coyotes star defenceman Jakob Chychrun could be on the move. Ahead of Saturday's game against the St. Louis Blues, the team announced on Twitter that Chychrun would be a healthy scratch due to "trade related reasons."

www.tsn.ca

Probably happens tomorrow before their next game on Monday.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Probably happens tomorrow before their next game on Monday.

Likely team is oilers?

 

[Unsustainable]

Likely team is oilers?

Canes

 

[chaz4hockey]

Canes

FWIW: 32 thoughts said not oilers leafs or kings. Oilers trying to get karlsson.

We will see

 

[MinJaBen]

FWIW: 32 thoughts said not oilers leafs or kings. Oilers trying to get karlsson.

We will see

This smells like a Boston move.

 

[SlavinAway]

My guess for Chychrun is Kings.

 

[ndp]

Wrong thread.

 

[dogbazinho]

Opps

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

We’re likely back to a Boeser deal if this Weekes rumor is true. Our deal will likely be better than Minnesota’s because we don’t have to move 3 million in long term cap to make it work.

Crouse is a possibility but im not sure we pony up for him.

I still throw out identical lower end offers for Bertuzzi and Barbashev. See which of Detroit and St Louis say yes first before the bell.

 

[Stickpucker]

I bet Chychyrun is going to Buffalo

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

72 million in the bank vs. 10m and hoping to stay health, keep performing well, and then cash in for an extra 10 million.

It's an interesting decision.

it is. It's an easier risk to make when you already have earned $38M in your career though (counting the $10M QO). My point was more that he's not likely to sign for a discount, even with an 8 year deal. I've read a few times that he said he'd sign, but want's north of $9M / year.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Western CT should be considered a county of NY.

Not for tax purposes though. The state would be bankrupt. Or more bankrupt than they already are.

 

[Joe McGrath]

I actually would love to have Kevin Hayes...when you consider that Fletcher is rather reactionary (to put it nicely) and may give up a first to dump the contract to drunkenly chase Pastrnak/Meier/Larkin. I would love to have Philly's 1st.

They aren’t trading a Bedard lottery ticket, however unlikely to dump Hayes. You couldn’t get a video game to do that.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Gunler, our 2024 2nd, and Coghlan for Boeser at 25% retained and Dermott

Im still in the boat of saving our big assets for PLD just because of exploding heads. And also if we are going to play the 2nd line at close to 60% o zone draws, PLD’s D concerns aren’t anymore.