All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XIII - the 23 deadline approaches

[Sigurd]

We’re likely back to a Boeser deal if this Weekes rumor is true. Our deal will likely be better than Minnesota’s because we don’t have to move 3 million in long term cap to make it work.

Crouse is a possibility but im not sure we pony up for him.

I still throw out identical lower end offers for Bertuzzi and Barbashev. See which of Detroit and St Louis say yes first before the bell.

What rumor? I looked on Weekes' Twitter profile and saw nothing relevant.

 

[ndp]

Gunler, our 2024 2nd, and Coghlan for Boeser at 25% retained and Dermott

Im still in the boat of saving our big assets for PLD just because of exploding heads. And also if we are going to play the 2nd line at close to 60% o zone draws, PLD’s D concerns aren’t anymore.

Where would you slot Boeser in the lineup? Reunite SAT and put Boeser with Necas, KK? Jarvis to the 4th? I personally don’t think Rod will move Jarvis that far down the lineup. While that trade would be a pretty good deal, and having Boeser for just under $5M for the next few seasons would be nice isn’t he just kind of more of the same?

 

[Sigurd]

Where would you slot Boeser in the lineup? Reunite SAT and put Boeser with Necas, KK? Jarvis to the 4th? I personally don’t think Rod will move Jarvis that far down the lineup. While that trade would be a pretty good deal, and having Boeser for just under $5M for the next few seasons would be nice isn’t he just kind of more of the same?

While we're voicing our lack of enthusiasm for Boeser, I wanted to say that if we don't get Meier or Crouse, I'd prefer to have Henrique or even ROR (with retention of course) than Boeser.

Boeser should be like plan E or F IMO.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Where would you slot Boeser in the lineup? Reunite SAT and put Boeser with Necas, KK? Jarvis to the 4th? I personally don’t think Rod will move Jarvis that far down the lineup. While that trade would be a pretty good deal, and having Boeser for just under $5M for the next few seasons would be nice isn’t he just kind of more of the same?

Jarvis has been on the 4th before. Personally I would put him on the third with Staal and Fast. Marty has a hard time keeping up with top lines.

Boeser could be on either line. But if we going to play KK and Necas close to 60% in ozone starts then that would be the logical spot for Boeser with his defense issues.

SAT
Boes-KK-Necas
Jarvis-Staal-Fast
Marty-Stas-Noesen

What rumor? I looked on Weekes' Twitter profile and saw nothing relevant.

Him asking NJ folks if they have seen Timo Meier. Weekes can be cheeky but it’s usually purposeful

 

[Sigurd]

Jarvis has been on the 4th before. Personally I would put him on the third with Staal and Fast. Marty has a hard time keeping up with top lines.

Boeser could be on either line. But if we going to play KK and Necas close to 60% in ozone starts then that would be the logical spot for Boeser with his defense issues.

SAT
Boes-KK-Necas
Jarvis-Staal-Fast
Marty-Stas-Noesen


Him asking NJ folks if they have seen Timo Meier. Weekes can be cheeky but it’s usually purposeful

I wouldn't take that too seriously. He's probably just having fun with the fans, and he lists his location on Twitter as: New Jersey/ New York /Miami.

Considering just yesterday we heard this from LeBrun:



Without any new substantive reports/rumors, I doubt that much changed all within yesterday (LeBrun and Weekes both posted those Tweets yesterday), and with this much time left until the deadline. I'd need something more concrete before I think the Canes are out of the Meier sweepstakes.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I wouldn't take that too seriously. He's probably just having fun with the fans, and he lists his location on Twitter as: New Jersey/ New York /Miami.

Considering just yesterday we heard this from LeBrun:



Without any new substantive reports/rumors, I doubt that much changed all within yesterday (LeBrun and Weekes both posted those Tweets yesterday), and with this much time left until the deadline. I'd need something more concrete before I think the Canes are out of the Meier sweepstakes.

I doubt NJ stays in it this long if negotiations wouldn’t happen after a deal is accepted. That 10 million QO would put them in a serious bind defensively

Weekes has been a better insider than anyone else that year or two. He doesn’t write about it.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

I think most fans agree, but until they show differently in their actions, it's hard to accept that they'll change, even if, as you've stated, it's not practical. I'm not complaining though. This front office has brought about the most sustained success we've seen so they are doing a lot of things right.

History doesn’t point to it, correct, but the team’s underlying situation is dynamic, not static. 2021 logic may not apply to 2023; team needs are clearer and expectations higher. Matthew Tkachuk was perfectly logical in that context, despite his contractual situation. Ditto Timo Meier.

Friedman relayed a story on a recent podcast (~26:35 —> Link) in which a source told him that: “the worst thing you can do as a general manager is lose a playoff series for the same reason 2 years in a row. Because when you lose a playoff series, it’s your job to fix the problem.”

Fans and media know what the problem is. I’d wager that they know it too.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

History doesn’t point to it, correct, but the team’s underlying situation is dynamic, not static. 2021 logic may not apply to 2023; team needs are clearer and expectations higher. Matthew Tkachuk was perfectly logical in that context, despite his contractual situation. Ditto Timo Meier.

Friedman relayed a story on a recent podcast (~26:35 —> Link) in which a source told him that: “the worst thing you can do as a general manager is lose a playoff series for the same reason 2 years in a row. Because when you lose a playoff series, it’s your job to fix the problem.”

Fans and media know what the problem is. I’d wager that they know it too.

I agree with all of that, but I'm still in the "I'll believe it when I see it" category. Hopefully we see it this year.

I do think there is a much better chance this year for 2 reasons. 1) They saw they needed more goal scoring and went after it (Pacioretty). 2) Because they guy they went after isn't available, his cap space is.

 

[ndp]

I agree with all of that, but I'm still in the "I'll believe it when I see it" category. Hopefully we see it this year.

I do think there is a much better chance this year for 2 reasons. 1) They saw they needed more goal scoring and went after it (Pacioretty). 2) Because they guy they went after isn't available, his cap space is.

While it might not happen at the trade deadline, I think this off-season will give fans a little more insight into the FO’s true philosophy when it comes to roster construction.

If there was ever a time to try and chase down and commit to a LONG-TERM top six solution it feels like this is it. They should have an idea of what Aho is going to cost, same goes for Necas and the big three on defense. Are they fully committed to the veteran depth approach? Do they think a legitimate top line talent is needed to put this roster over the top? If so do they continue to try and fill that gap using savvy deals acquiring expiring contracts from cap strapped teams and hope they hit the right player that puts them over the top? It really feels like this is the year that could set the tone for seasons going forward. Does it start at the deadline or off-season?

 

[MinJaBen]

While it might not happen at the trade deadline, I think this off-season will give fans a little more insight into the FO’s true philosophy when it comes to roster construction.

If there was ever a time to try and chase down and commit to a LONG-TERM top six solution it feels like this is it. They should have an idea of what Aho is going to cost, same goes for Necas and the big three on defense. Are they fully committed to the veteran depth approach? Do they think a legitimate top line talent is needed to put this roster over the top? If so do they continue to try and fill that gap using savvy deals acquiring expiring contracts from cap strapped teams and hope they hit the right player that puts them over the top? It really feels like this is the year that could set the tone for seasons going forward. Does it start at the deadline or off-season?

I wouldn’t count on this happening over the summer. There would have to be a UFA (or RFA unusually available) of high quality for them to step outside their usual comfort zone. Seems like an odd situation to plan on happening at a specific time. They seem to be operating in a mode were they try to be ready for an opportunity, which seems to be the case with Meier (or maybe also Larkin).

 

[mikeyfan]

If Larkin doesn’t sign an extension this week I expect to see a lot of Rumors on him. I hope our front office is working right now with Detroit on a trade. For Larkin my offer would be our 2023 1st, Drury choice of Morrow or Nikishin and if we can get an extension prior to the trade give Detroit either the Flyers 2024 2nd or another minor leaguer or both if necessary

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

If Larkin doesn’t sign an extension this week I expect to see a lot of Rumors on him. I hope our front office is working right now with Detroit on a trade. For Larkin my offer would be our 2023 1st, Drury choice of Morrow or Nikishin and if we can get an extension prior to the trade give Detroit either the Flyers 2024 2nd or another minor leaguer or both if necessary

There may be rumors but its still unlikely he moves. Yzerman will take this into June. As long as they aren’t far off, no need to trade. 1 million a year is far off

 

[mikeyfan]

Right now from what I’ve read Detroit is standing fast at 8 and Larkin wants 9 to 9.5. If it goes into June Larkin will go FA and take the best offer. I think Stevie would trade him if they can’t sign him by the trade deadline. That’s why I would even overpay today if I could sign him to an extension

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

What we're hearing about the Blackhawks' Patrick Kane, Jonathan Toews, Jake McCabe and more

Kane’s open disappointment at the Rangers’ trade for Vladimir Tarasenko may suggest he’s strongly considering asking out of Chicago.

theathletic.com

“Confirmed interest” in Kane.

I’m kind of meh on the fit. HOF skill, but doesn’t help with the finesse issue. Beggars can’t be choosers, I suppose.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Pass on Kane. Either his hip is holding him back or he just doesn’t care but his defense has been worse than Skinner levels for back checking

 

[ndp]

What we're hearing about the Blackhawks' Patrick Kane, Jonathan Toews, Jake McCabe and more

Kane’s open disappointment at the Rangers’ trade for Vladimir Tarasenko may suggest he’s strongly considering asking out of Chicago.

theathletic.com

“Confirmed interest” in Kane.

I’m kind of meh on the fit. HOF skill, but doesn’t help with the finesse issue. Beggars can’t be choosers, I suppose.

If the Canes end up with Kane I hope they keep some medics near the bench. Rod is liable to pop an artery.

 

[ndp]

Although with the NYR snub, and IF he’s healthy and playing with a chip on his shoulder he potentially has the ability to be a game changer.






But still nah.

 

[MadeUpName]

Patrick Kane can break a game if he wants to. He'd be playing for his own pride and legacy which is a good motivator.

I just wouldn't want Carolina to pay a 1st round pick for him which is what it will likely take. Too much risk. I feel similarly about ROR.

 

[Brock Anton]

If we strike out on Meier (don't think Larkin is realistic), I don't think Kane is a bad move at all.

I'd try to get Toews too in that scenario. Might as well just go all out for playoff experience.

 

[MinJaBen]

If we strike out on Meier (don't think Larkin is realistic), I don't think Kane is a bad move at all.

I'd try to get Toews too in that scenario. Might as well just go all out for playoff experience.

I’d rather keep our first and draft a kid in this year’s class than pay for a couple of months of half-Kane.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I’d need to understand better why Kane’s production is so bad this year. The rough ratio of “not as good as he used to be” to “doesn’t give a shit about the season.” If it’s more the latter, bring him in. If it’s the former, all we’re doing is paying a premium for a brand name item when store brand is just as good.

 

[Brock Anton]

I’d rather keep our first and draft a kid in this year’s class than pay for a couple of months of half-Kane.

I'd rather try to win a Cup while we have the chance.

 

[MinJaBen]

I'd rather try to win a Cup while we have the chance.

I don’t think Kane will help do that. In fact, he could be a net negative by not performing up to the compensation, moving someone more deserving off the roster, changing the dynamic in the room, etc.

I’d rather ROR, and I’m not big on him either. At least he plays a position we need.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I don't get the lack of enthusiasm for Boeser around here. He's my #2 choice after Meier at the deadline with Vrana at #3. I've banged on this point several times, but if Meier goes elsewhere, Boeser fits a lot of qualities that I personally think that the Canes would go for in a trade. He is a big and young winger who has a history of scoring goals, is having a down year, and is available during a time where the Canes are one of the few contenders who can swallow the entire contract. It would be very much them to agree to take on the entire contract and only pay something like a 3rd and a lesser prospect for.

 

[Stickpucker]

Gunler, our 2024 2nd, and Coghlan for Boeser at 25% retained and Dermott

Im still in the boat of saving our big assets for PLD just because of exploding heads. And also if we are going to play the 2nd line at close to 60% o zone draws, PLD’s D concerns aren’t anymore.

Until Rod chokes him on the bench.