All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XIII - the 23 deadline approaches

[Nikishin Go Boom]

No this years team is 84,416,917 without long term insurance, plus 400,000 in retainage on Bear and $112,500 on bonuses.

No. Real money. Not cap money. Aho and Patches made less than their cap hit this year

39 for forwards
21.5 for defense
7.5 for goalies

68 + 11 for LTIR. 79 million. I was close. 79 without any insurance help

The estimated at the bottom of the cap friendly page is them expecting us to soend our 10 million in cap which would add around another 5 million (depending on the players’ salary vs cap hit)

 

[mikeyfan]

No. Real money. Not cap money. Aho and Patches made less than their cap hit this year

What does that have to do with anything? Really, Tom Dundon is paying out the maximum amount, and more that is allowed under the CBA. Real money has nothing to do with how much the team can spend. it is all based on the Cap. So I don't know what your argument is.

Answer this: Are the Hurricanes paying out as much or more than allowed by the Cap since Dundon took over as owner?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

What does that have to do with anything? Really, Tom Dundon is paying out the maximum amount, and more that is allowed under the CBA. Real money has nothing to do with how much the team can spend. it is all based on the Cap. So I don't know what your argument is.

Answer this: Are the Hurricanes paying out as much or more than allowed by the Cap since Dundon took over as owner?

Owners care a lot more about real money expenditures than cap. Players real money makings fluctuate from year to year and GMs have to balance the real money expenditures with the cap one.

Im not sure why you are getting so defensive since I didn’t call Tom D cheap.

The point being real money wise we are lower than the last couple of years so, we can afford to add more.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Vegas missed out on Tarasenko so what wild move are they working up at this point?

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Owners care a lot more about real money expenditures than cap.

If the team is not profitable, that is 100% true. The thing is, though, the Canes have been profitable post-pandemic, so I wonder if Dundon will now be more likely to approve trades where players are paid more in real money than their cap hit in exchange for smaller compensation.

 

[LakeLivin]

Owners care a lot more about real money expenditures than cap. Players real money makings fluctuate from year to year and GMs have to balance the real money expenditures with the cap one.

Im not sure why you are getting so defensive since I didn’t call Tom D cheap.

The point being real money wise we are lower than the last couple of years so, we can afford to add more.

I can't buy that as a generalization. Sure, some do [cough, cough, Karmanos] but there are a lot that would spend a lot more if not for the cap. But you're right, only people not at all familiar with the franchise actually think "Dundon so cheap".

 

[Sigurd]

Vegas missed out on Tarasenko so what wild move are they working up at this point?

On the surface, I find it hard to believe they would have a better package than what New Jersey, and Carolina could offer for Meier.

So, hopefully they aren't a real trade player in the Meier sweepstakes unlike what Weekes indicated. Obviously it didn't take long after Weekes' Tweet for the Rangers to drop out of the sweepstakes after he mentioned the Rangers.

I know Vegas has been mentioned as a team interested in ROR. Not sure who else they're rumored to be interested in.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Good sir why do they need to "swallow" the cap space? There are Freudian vibes about this here post.

African or European?

 

[Joe McGrath]

The Rangers don't need to worry about their prospect pool as much as other teams, because every year, they get at least one primodonna little bitch who refuses to be traded/refuses to sign with anyone but New York.

FTFY

 

[chaz4hockey]

A 1st for a skill winger is on the high side. Vanek, Gaborik, Zuccarello, Nyquist and Hall (to Boston) notably did not get the premium over the past 10 deadlines. Rangers fans can argue the other things in the trade to justify a valuation in that range, I guess.

These 1st round picks are not as valuable as fans make them about to be. Look at the track record.

Rental for 1st 2010-2019:

Player	Result	Player Taken in Draft Slot
Kovalchuk	Used in trade for Byfuglien	K. Hayes
Kaberle	Used to trade up for Biggs	Rakell
Gaustad	Used to trade up for Girgensons	Jankowski
Iginla	Retained	Klimchuk
Jagr	Retained	Dickinson
Miller + Ott	Used in trade for Kane + Bogosian	Roslovic
Franson + Santorelli	Used to trade down ultimately for Dermott, Bracco and Dzierkals	Konecny
Vermette	Retained	Merkley
Sekera	Retained	Gauthier
Ladd	Used to trade up for Stanley	Rubstov
Hanzal	Retained	Olivier-Joseph
Shattenkirk	Used in trade for B. Schenn	Frost
Eaves	Used to trade up for Oettinger	Jokiharju
Kane	Used in trade for Montour	Tracey
Nash	Used to trade up for Miller	Bernard-Docker
Stastny	Used to trade up for Bokk	Sandin
Hayes	Used in trade for Trouba	Heinola
Duchene	Retained	Thomson

In line with the percentages. The end of the list will look more like the top of the list eventually. Draft hype will wear off over time.

Vermette worked out well enough and Franson + Santorelli looks awful, but the vast majority of this type of trade has been and will continue to be insignificant in both directions.

Great info, thanks!!

 

[LostInaLostWorld]

I can't buy that as a generalization. Sure, some do [cough, cough, Karmanos] but there are a lot that would spend a lot more if not for the cap. But you're right, only people not at all familiar with the franchise actually think "Dundon so cheap".

Yes but at the same time when TD was pouring 10M into the franchise that first year he said that he could only go far and basically it was important to at least break even sooner rather than later.

 

[chaz4hockey]

If the team is not profitable, that is 100% true. The thing is, though, the Canes have been profitable post-pandemic, so I wonder if Dundon will now be more likely to approve trades where players are paid more in real money than their cap hit in exchange for smaller compensation.

“the Canes have been profitable post-pandemic”

Is there public data on this?

Btw: I wonder if they insured Kase’s & Patches contracts?

 

[The Faulker 27]

Since we're f***ed missing out on Tarasenko and likely Meier can we use the 10M to bribe a goalie or two to "take a dive" in the playoffs. The old fashion way to win.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

The rumor mill is that Kase is going to return to the Czech Republic for the foreseeable future and may retire from the NHL for good. I feel awful for that guy, because if talent was the only thing that made you an NHL player, he'd be a valuable player in this league.

This means, though, that if true, Carolina will now have $10.5M in cap space to add.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

The rumor mill is that Kase is going to return to the Czech Republic for the foreseeable future and may retire from the NHL for good. I feel awful for that guy, because if talent was the only thing that made you an NHL player, he'd be a valuable player in this league.

This means, though, that if true, Carolina will now have $10.5M in cap space to add.

yep, this was posted earlier. post #303 in this thread at 7:06 am.

 

[User13452]

I believe a lot of people are shortchanging Tom Dundon and saying he is cheap because the FO won't sign certain players to contracts they felt the player should have signed in Carolina.

Dundon stated we would be a cap team when he became owner of the franchise starting at the 2017-2018 season here are our cap numbers
2017-2018 - $15,785,736 Below the Cap
2018-2019 - $16,292,322 Below the Cap (Dundon Arrives)
2019-2020 - $915,079 Above the Cap (LTIR)
2020-2021 - $2,017,118 Below the Cap
2021-2022 - $2,366,221 Above the Cap
2022-2023 - $2,429,417 Above the Cap and if we spend the full 10 plus million we have remaining we will be 12 million plus above the cap.

The Hurricanes are not afraid to spend money, They do try to spend it for players that fit within Rod's system and that may mean allowing certain players to leave or trade, but the return is about bettering the team, not counting pennies.

They don’t hand out these silly contracts like you see other teams doing. Majority of the teams you can go look and find 2-3 contracts that are bad. Look at Carolina I don’t see 1 bad one does anyone else?

 

[Borsig]

They don’t hand out these silly contracts like you see other teams doing. Majority of the teams you can go look and find 2-3 contracts that are bad. Look at Carolina I don’t see 1 bad one does anyone else?

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[The Faulker 27]

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[Big Daddy Cane]

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Nothing too revelatory. LeBrun says that a trade for Meier could come sooner than the deadline. Lots of interest, with Carolina and New Jersey mentioned by name.

 

[Wolfpuck]

yep, this was posted earlier. post #303 in this thread at 7:06 am.

What kind of lunatic is awake that early?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

What kind of lunatic is awake that early?

Working lunatics?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

has a trade ever happened in the DW era that we were rumored to be interested in weeks before it happened?

 

[DaveG]

has a trade ever happened in the DW era that we were rumored to be interested in weeks before it happened?

By name? No

By position AND team? Haakanpa

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

By name? No

By position AND team? Haakanpa

so we can count Meier out, huh?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

has a trade ever happened in the DW era that we were rumored to be interested in weeks before it happened?

Early on, they leaked out Kase (in the Faulk deal) and the Duck's GM got pissed about it. After that, they've been pretty tight lipped.