All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XIII - the 23 deadline approaches

[User13452]

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It’s still not terrible considering how young he is let’s see in 2-3 years.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

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Compared to other teams bad contracts it’s really not that bad. Not great but not terrible. And it’s the only one.

 

[User13452]

Compared to other teams bad contracts it’s really not that bad. Not great but not terrible. And it’s the only one.

It’s really not and even if it’s an overpay right now it might be a bargain in 2 seasons. You go around and look at every other team and you can find 2-3 bad deals

 

[User13452]

It’s really not and even if it’s an overpay right now it might be a bargain in 2 seasons. You go around and look at every other team and you can find 2-3 bad deals

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I remember reading this from an interview that Waddell did and it’s so true and that’s the way the canes operate doesn’t mean they are cheap.

 

[Wolfpuck]

Compared to other teams bad contracts it’s really not that bad. Not great but not terrible. And it’s the only one.

Agreed. Less than $5 million per season for a 3C/potential 2C is nowhere close to terrible.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

The Miller trade proposal thread should be fun.

 

[MadeUpName]

I’m calling bullshit on this because I’ve never seen bern propose or agree with a trade that involved less than six extraneous assets and multiple teams taking on salary cap retention.

@bernmeister I'm not sure whether it was JussiJuice or LSPWolfpack or SvechniCanesCup or another but bern and I certainly agreed to Skjei for the worst of TOR or CAR 1st round picks a few days before the deal. It happened and everyone should deal with it.

 

[Vagrant]

Nikishin + Drury and our 1st in a very deep draft should be enough for Timo. If the Devils get crazy and put Nemec in the deal, they might beat our offer.

Drury could be a big piece in this deal if Ryan Warsovsky's opinion carries any weight in the front office. I don't think Carolina would be comfortable moving Jarvis in a deal like this. The goal is to get deeper and not just more top heavy. We can deal from Nikishin because his availability extends beyond our window and you will never get this player on discount as far as his contract goes. He will be able to do what Kaprizov did or worse and sign for a game to burn his ELC and negotiate from an open checkbook. Our defense is relatively sorted for a few years. If Morrow can be what we hope and we get development from the Forsmark, Hemosalmi Seeley, etc. class we can backfill some losses.

Nikishin is as hot of a commodity in the prospect world as we've had in a long time, and my opinion is that Mike Greer would love his profile. Strike while the iron is hot. I personally feel his offense is overstated on a dominant team. If you think he's a 30 point highly physical 3rd or 4th, how much more is he worth to us than Brady or Pesce considering his price tag might not be too far off from those two? If he's all-world, we obviously regret it.

 

[whiskers]

why are you guys even talking about Miller , the guy is a complete asshole to his team mates . The rangers didnt give up much for Terasenko if we can trade players in late round lets trade bobby orr , i had the chance to see him play , hes not gonna make it

 

[Discipline Daddy]

I've thought a lot about it. I'm all in for Adam Henrique. 52% faceoffs, great 5v5 goal scorer, would be our 2C.


Henrique at $4.5M ($1.325M retention)

2
Jack Drury
Canes 3rd or Forsmark


Let's do it Ducks fans.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I've thought a lot about it. I'm all in for Adam Henrique. 52% faceoffs, great 5v5 goal scorer, would be our 2C.


Henrique at $4.5M ($1.325M retention)

2
Jack Drury
Canes 3rd or Forsmark


Let's do it Ducks fans.

duck fans say they need wingers.

Just do Gunler and a 2nd.

 

[AD Skinner]

I also think Henrique makes a ton of sense. With all the space they have though I’d be kinda bummed if he’s the only player they swing. If they can get two solid B players that’s probably better for a run than even one A anyway unless we’re talking an A++ kind of player

 

[zman77]

Adam Henrique:
6’0’’, 188 lbs
Shoots L
Experience 11 years
Debut Apr 10, 2011
Born Feb 6, 1990 (33 yrs) Brantford, Ontario
Drafted Drafted by New Jersey in 2008 (3/82)

819GP

236G

236A

472Pts

-16

251PIMs

SCOUTING REPORT
The epitome of a smart veteran forward, he has abundant hockey sense. A natural center who can also play wing, he shines under pressure. Although he is more of a scorer than a playmaker and is in his 30s, he has become an effective setup man and bumper on the power play. Lacks the size to be a physical presence.

 

[spockBokk]

I also think Henrique makes a ton of sense. With all the space they have though I’d be kinda bummed if he’s the only player they swing. If they can get two solid B players that’s probably better for a run than even one A anyway unless we’re talking an A++ kind of player

They’d be able to go after the Boesers or Bertuzzis still if Henrique were the first acquisition. Wouldn’t be much room for a depth D tho after that.

 

[Borsig]

More old guys.

We need less old guys.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

They’d be able to go after the Boesers or Bertuzzis still if Henrique were the first acquisition. Wouldn’t be much room for a depth D tho after that.

I don’t see us paying Anaheim a ransom to retain so Boeser would likely be out of the question

 

[Stickpucker]

Also, the core of their team is still pretty young, particularly on defense. No need to be holding onto D prospects when they have Fox, Trouba, Miller, Schneider and Lindgren.

sure does nice things for your dcore when a Norris caliber dman demands to play for you.

that list looks way worse without him.

 

[Stickpucker]

yep, this was posted earlier. post #303 in this thread at 7:06 am.

But did it have the same heartwarming feelings?

 

[spockBokk]

But did it have the same heartwarming feelings?

I tried

 

[Stickpucker]

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Nothing too revelatory. LeBrun says that a trade for Meier could come sooner than the deadline. Lots of interest, with Carolina and New Jersey mentioned by name.

Need to bid up all the suitors for the prime assets then the 2nd tier ones will come cheap after all the 1sts are spent.

nyr - tank
nj - meier
col - ror
lv - kane
edm - gavrikov

 

[spockBokk]

So, was thinking this morning about Morrow/ Nikishin and which one they’d hypothetically include in a Meier/out of left field upgrade.

I go back and forth on which one I’d include in a trade package, or if I’d add either.

I’ve been thinking it’s more likely they’d deal Nikishin based on the fact he’s guaranteed not to be a factor for the next 2 years. It’s been my opinion that Morrow should be untouchable. However, they do have Honka and Heimosalmi, both already signed, waiting in the wings. If, and it’s a pretty big IF, they think one of the Finnish RD can eventually hold down a 2nd or 3rd pair spot AND they retain Pesce, it makes sense to move Morrow.

I guess what I’m saying in a roundabout way is that I could see them making a case for dealing Morrow now, if it bring them a Meier or similar type upgrade.

I could also see them nabbing Klingberg on the cheap and signing him to a value deal to help mitigate Burns’ inevitable decline and the potential growing pains of Heimosalmi and/or Honka in the coming seasons.

Sorry for the rando thoughts.

 

[Stickpucker]

Agreed. Less than $5 million per season for a 3C/potential 2C is nowhere close to terrible.

So you've been conditioned to believe by the bad Jordan Staal contract.

JR put a lot of extra coin in that mans pockets. Well he did for a lot of people. I bet he gets a lot of fruit baskets every year for all those sweet contracts he passed out. Just not from Bruce Boudreau.

Rumor has it that Semin has a whole wing of his house set aside for any time his good buddy JR comes to visit.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

So, was thinking this morning about Morrow/ Nikishin and which one they’d hypothetically include in a Meier/out of left field upgrade.

I go back and forth on which one I’d include in a trade package, or if I’d add either.

I’ve been thinking it’s more likely they’d deal Nikishin based on the fact he’s guaranteed not to be a factor for the next 2 years. It’s been my opinion that Morrow should be untouchable. However, they do have Honka and Heimosalmi, both already signed, waiting in the wings. If, and it’s a pretty big IF, they think one of the Finnish RD can eventually hold down a 2nd or 3rd pair spot AND they retain Pesce, it makes sense to move Morrow.

I guess what I’m saying in a roundabout way is that I could see them making a case for dealing Morrow now, if it bring them a Meier or similar type upgrade.

I could also see them nabbing Klingberg on the cheap and signing him to a value deal to help mitigate Burns’ inevitable decline and the potential growing pains of Heimosalmi and/or Honka in the coming seasons.

Sorry for the rando thoughts.

i dont think Klingberg will help with Burns' inevitable slide. It may make it look worse. Klingberg is last in the league across many defensive stats.

Morrow may not even play next season. So is either really worth trading knowing they are still a season to two out?

 

[Stickpucker]

So, was thinking this morning about Morrow/ Nikishin and which one they’d hypothetically include in a Meier/out of left field upgrade.

I go back and forth on which one I’d include in a trade package, or if I’d add either.

I’ve been thinking it’s more likely they’d deal Nikishin based on the fact he’s guaranteed not to be a factor for the next 2 years. It’s been my opinion that Morrow should be untouchable. However, they do have Honka and Heimosalmi, both already signed, waiting in the wings. If, and it’s a pretty big IF, they think one of the Finnish RD can eventually hold down a 2nd or 3rd pair spot AND they retain Pesce, it makes sense to move Morrow.

I guess what I’m saying in a roundabout way is that I could see them making a case for dealing Morrow now, if it bring them a Meier or similar type upgrade.

I could also see them nabbing Klingberg on the cheap and signing him to a value deal to help mitigate Burns’ inevitable decline and the potential growing pains of Heimosalmi and/or Honka in the coming seasons.

Sorry for the rando thoughts.

I hate to say it but....I think Pescado gets Faulk'ed.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

our three dont break the bank acquisitions:

Bertuzzi @ 50% and Walman from Detroit

Henrique from Anaheim

SAT
Bertuzzi-Henrique-Necas
Martinook-Staal-Fast
Noesen-KK-Jarvis

Slavin-Burns
Skjei-Pesce
Walman-Chatfield