All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XIII - the 23 deadline approaches

[spockBokk]

i dont think Klingberg will help with Burns' inevitable slide. It may make it look worse. Klingberg is last in the league across many defensive stats.

Morrow may not even play next season. So is either really worth trading knowing they are still a season to two out?

On Klingberg, I think if you paired him with a Slavin or Skjei, maybe even a CDH-type, it’d make a world of difference. Also, if DeAngelo can be made to at least be mostly passable in the Canes’ system, I think there’d be hope for Klingberg too. I just see him as a potential “distressed” asset pickup, that they’ve had interest in the past. Seems like they don’t forget their “guys” (Kase) and eventually find a way to acquire some of them if the price is right.

Outside of Nikishin, none of the current crop of D prospects is ready for NHL action, nor will any likely be ready next season. My thought was that I could see them make a bet on the potential of Honka/Heimosalmi and cash out Morrow now if he can be the main piece in a Meier or similar trade.

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

I hate to say it but....I think Pescado gets Faulk'ed.

Interesting thought as I assume you're talking about Pesce. If any one of Chatty, Slavin, Skjei or Pesce is gonna start slowing down first, it'll definitely be Pesce. We've ridden that horse for a long time and his skating isn't the best to begin with.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

On Klingberg, I think if you paired him with a Slavin or Skjei, maybe even a CDH-type, it’d make a world of difference. Also, if DeAngelo can be made to at least be mostly passable in the Canes’ system, I think there’d be hope for Klingberg too. I just see him as a potential “distressed” asset pickup, that they’ve had interest in the past. Seems like they don’t forget their “guys” (Kase) and eventually find a way to acquire some of them if the price is right.

Outside of Nikishin, none of the current crop of D prospects is ready for NHL action, nor will any likely be ready next season. My thought was that I could see them make a bet on the potential of Honka/Heimosalmi and cash out Morrow now if he can be the main piece in a Meier or similar trade.

Canes will only be realistic players for Meier if extension talks arent granted. Which will drive the price down below needing to offer either of our defensive prospects. Then it comes down to whether or not Buffalo risks a mid 1st rounder with no deal in place. If not we win. if so, they win.

If extensions are allowed its a battle between NJ and Buffalo

 

[Stickpucker]

Klingburger makes so much that he might not even be attractive with 50% retention.

 

[MadeUpName]

So, was thinking this morning about Morrow/ Nikishin and which one they’d hypothetically include in a Meier/out of left field upgrade.

I go back and forth on which one I’d include in a trade package, or if I’d add either.

I’ve been thinking it’s more likely they’d deal Nikishin based on the fact he’s guaranteed not to be a factor for the next 2 years. It’s been my opinion that Morrow should be untouchable. However, they do have Honka and Heimosalmi, both already signed, waiting in the wings. If, and it’s a pretty big IF, they think one of the Finnish RD can eventually hold down a 2nd or 3rd pair spot AND they retain Pesce, it makes sense to move Morrow.

I guess what I’m saying in a roundabout way is that I could see them making a case for dealing Morrow now, if it bring them a Meier or similar type upgrade.

I could also see them nabbing Klingberg on the cheap and signing him to a value deal to help mitigate Burns’ inevitable decline and the potential growing pains of Heimosalmi and/or Honka in the coming seasons.

Sorry for the rando thoughts.

I think one of the points in Nikishin's favor is that he should be pretty well suited to jump straight into the lineup once he is ready to come over. Ideally he shouldn't need to be sheltered. Whereas Morrow is more of a project - potentially with higher upside.

 

[MinJaBen]

Klingburger makes so many errors that he might not even be attractive with 50% retention.

Fixed.

I think one of the points in Nikishin's favor is that he should be pretty well suited to jump straight into the lineup once he is ready to come over. Ideally he shouldn't need to be sheltered. Whereas Morrow is more of a project - potentially with higher upside.

The one thing I like more about Nikishin over Morrow, and thus why I would include Morrow in a deal if one of the two needs to be included, is that Nikishin's rights don't expire. Morrow could walk to free agency in two years if he doesn't see a pathway to our top three. Let him be someone else's problem if they want him.

 

[the halleJOKEL]

i'm bored do something

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Fixed.


The one thing I like more about Nikishin over Morrow, and thus why I would include Morrow in a deal if one of the two needs to be included, is that Nikishin's rights don't expire. Morrow could walk to free agency in two years if he doesn't see a pathway to our top three. Let him be someone else's problem if they want him.

Nikishin kinda has similar leverage though as he can absolutely realistically just tell us "trade my rights to x,y,z team or I'll stay in the KHL forever." We could perceive that as a bluff and initially call his bluff and just sit on his rights forever but if that happened and dragged out a bit we'd much rather get something for him than just make him stay in Russia. And while I do think he'll come here as soon as his contract is up based on comments he's made I also think he would be happy to stay in Russia and play in the KHL his entire career. North American $$ and prestige talks but I don't think he's dying to get to the NHL like some other Russian prospects.

edit: that being said, I don't see any reason why Nikishin wouldn't want to play for us, it's not like Fox where he's got some other team he grew up a fan of and was his hometown. We've got other Russians already here and many others in the pipeline, we're contenders and Rod's system can make defensemen look pretty damn good. Another factor with him is he could probably sign a short contract with us bringing him to UFA and then walk, if that's what he wanted to do.

 

[MinJaBen]

Nikishin kinda has similar leverage though as he can absolutely realistically just tell us "trade my rights to x,y,z team or I'll stay in the KHL forever." We could perceive that as a bluff and initially call his bluff and just sit on his rights forever but if that happened and dragged out a bit we'd much rather get something for him than just make him stay in Russia. And while I do think he'll come here as soon as his contract is up based on comments he's made I also think he would be happy to stay in Russia and play in the KHL his entire career. North American $$ and prestige talks but I don't think he's dying to get to the NHL like some other Russian prospects.

edit: that being said, I don't see any reason why Nikishin wouldn't want to play for us, it's not like Fox where he's got some other team he grew up a fan of and was his hometown. We've got other Russians already here and many others in the pipeline, we're contenders and Rod's system can make defensemen look pretty damn good. Another factor with him is he could probably sign a short contract with us bringing him to UFA and then walk, if that's what he wanted to do.

Yes, Nikishin has the ability to not play for us and stay in the KHL forever. But we have a lot of time to wait and see where his interests are and where we are as a team. We can block his ability to play in the NHL indefinitely, so we have leverage that lasts, too. With Morrow, we have two more years and then all of our leverage evaporates. That makes Morrow more movable in my mind, all other things being equal.

 

[SlavinAway]

I hate this part of it. Why can't we all just be friends?!

 

[Borsig]

We're about to get the biggest case of blueballs since senior prom

 

[Derailed75]

We're about to get the biggest case of blueballs since senior prom

Nah, I like our team!

 

[MadeUpName]

Carolina will use every penny of Cap space they have available. The franchise has so much positive momentum. The outdoor game will shine another spotlight on them. They have a ton of expendable assets. Dundon will want to win this year.

 

[mikeyfan]

Would Vladislav Gavrikov fit the Canes needs for a LH D? If so the Canes may be able to get him for Coghlan

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Worth noting that Vegas may have lost one of their goalies last night. Thompson collapsed with a non-contact injury and had to be helped off the ice.

Considering they were (allegedly) one of the suitors for Meiers, they might have to shift their focus to getting a goalie instead.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Would Vladislav Gavrikov fit the Canes needs for a LH D? If so the Canes may be able to get him for Coghlan

big Chiarot vibes here. We wont touch it.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Considering that we now have $10.5M in space, I wonder if it's coming to the point that the Canes try for a salary dump move for a depth D. The Bruins are looking to add big for their final push but simultaneously have Mike Reilly, by all accounts a pretty good LD, rotting in the AHL. I wonder if there's a deal to be made there where Carolina gets Boston to pay a 3rd or something to dump that contract.

 

[User13452]

Would Vladislav Gavrikov fit the Canes needs for a LH D? If so the Canes may be able to get him for Coghlan

No chance Coghlan doesn’t have much value Gavrikov will go for a 1st plus

 

[chaz4hockey]

re: Toews--he has been out 6 days with a mysterious illness (like last year, who knows but worrisome). I'd pass on this player as our 2C.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I don't know that the "right of first refusal" will really work that way though. SJ would then likely turn around to the team that previously had the best offer and say "NJ has just countered with this, what are you now willing to add to your offer".

 

[Sigurd]

Would Vladislav Gavrikov fit the Canes needs for a LH D? If so the Canes may be able to get him for Coghlan

I'm not familiar enough with him, but he seems to be one of the most in demand depth-defensemen this deadline; along with McCabe and Schenn. My guess is we probably don't get any of the popular depth d-men since we'll be focusing more on forward, and thus probably either won't have higher round picks after getting a forward(s), or the Canes won't want to be without a 1st round pick AND a 2nd round pick in the same draft. So, some depth d-man for a 3rd round pick and or a lower tier prospect is my guess. Unless the Canes completely flame out on multiple top 6 forwards and scrape the bottom of the barrel and don't even trade a 1st round pick.

*Edit* Also, I don't think Coghlan has too much value at this point. So, I doubt he really moves the needle for a depth d-man trade.

Worth noting that Vegas may have lost one of their goalies last night. Thompson collapsed with a non-contact injury and had to be helped off the ice.

Considering they were (allegedly) one of the suitors for Meiers, they might have to shift their focus to getting a goalie instead.

A surprising turn of events. Yes, hopefully they can't get Meier now. I think it was quite difficult for them before with us and New Jersey as competitors, but now, it seems to be a huge hill for them.

Considering that we now have $10.5M in space, I wonder if it's coming to the point that the Canes try for a salary dump move for a depth LD. The Bruins are looking to add big for their final push but simultaneously have Mike Reilly, by all accounts a pretty good LD, rotting in the AHL. I wonder if there's a deal to be made there where Carolina gets Boston to pay a 3rd or something to dump that contract.

Good point. Even if we don't get some of the ideal players we keep discussing, at the VERY least, Carolina should weaponize their cap space as they've done before; Marleau and Toronto's 1st round pick is the perfect example.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

i dont understand these GMs that arent allowing contract extensions and hurting their value.

It sounds like NJ has an offer and that is it. I still think SJ keeps Meier and moves him before the draft.

 

[MadeUpName]

I don't know that the "right of first refusal" will really work that way though. SJ would then likely turn around to the team that previously had the best offer and say "NJ has just countered with this, what are you now willing to add to your offer".

Yeah that is just standard trade negotiating. As if NJ has the final say. Clearly SJ would just then go back to Team X and then present that offer.

I suppose it could hold water if SJ has said something like "We want Nemec more than anybody". Then NJ says "No, but if you are about to take a different offer let us consider it again".

i dont understand these GMs that arent allowing contract extensions and hurting their value.

It sounds like NJ has an offer and that is it. I still think SJ keeps Meier and moves him before the draft.

Extension talks can be a slippery slope. Seems like the player could take that opportunity to pick 1 single team and let everyone else personally know they get a $10 million QO and that is it.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I don't know that the "right of first refusal" will really work that way though. SJ would then likely turn around to the team that previously had the best offer and say "NJ has just countered with this, what are you now willing to add to your offer".

Yeah that’s kinda funny.

“Word is that Don Waddell has told SJ to give him a call before they trade him to NJ after NJ told SJ to give them a call before they trade him anywhere else.”

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Considering that we now have $10.5M in space, I wonder if it's coming to the point that the Canes try for a salary dump move for a depth D. The Bruins are looking to add big for their final push but simultaneously have Mike Reilly, by all accounts a pretty good LD, rotting in the AHL. I wonder if there's a deal to be made there where Carolina gets Boston to pay a 3rd or something to dump that contract.

just put in a claim for Hajek. See how he does for a month