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Meh, I have no clue. If we were in say Washington's spot I could see them using being on the bubble as a reason to not make deals. Ultimately, it seems the front office and ownership can justify anything they do at this point.
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Doubt if anybody is.
TD has proven better than most expected (see Tepper). But I still have my doubts about him in the long term.
DaveG
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I mean Vatanen I (and a few others) saw coming right down to the exact pick and prospect that were traded.
Hakkanpa was talked about openly on this board, we wanted to aim higher (Manson) but the price tag just wasn't justifiable.
Skjei was out of nowhere, kinda, it was known that NYR wanted to move him but by all public metrics he was a dumpster fire in their system so nobody expected us to even have interest in him. Tro was most definitely out of nowhere as nobody thought he was even on the market. Domi was basically a big "meh, that's about all we can make work cap wise".
Bern and I agreed on Skjei for Carolina's worst 1st a few days before it happened and that sounds like a hf joke but it is actually true
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They seem to use it a justification though. Like basically "He's being prudent not to trade away too many assets so we don't miss the playoffs for 2+ seasons in a row which in that case he might move us to Houston or Mexico City"
Ok, a huge exaggeration but reading between the lines, it feels like people are justifying just being a playoff team so we don't lose fans again and therefore have to move to Nunavut. Or I mean Mexico City. I mean I don't know. Or that by just being a playoff team we will eventually win it once like say the Caps or Blues, and not the Sharks, Wild, Predators, etc.
I just want to see us go for it while we have a kickass team 2nd in the whole NHL.
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In all fairness, a lot of that is because they gave out a number of massive, bloated, way-too-long contracts to guys and now they don't have cap space for depth to support any of it.
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Ok, so... I don't think we would've ever been frontrunners for Tarasenko but NYR getting him just makes it all the more urgent to get Meier IMO.
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That's part of it and honestly why they were so successful as long as they were. They HAD to pay out to some of those players because drafting in the late 20s every year if you had a 1st at all you aren't going to get franchise players to replace your veterans. Once Aho, Slavin, Pesce etc come up for contract renewals we're going to have make similar choices.
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Yeah the team that bodied us into submission last year, and is rapidly catching up to us in the standings just got Tarasenko.
That's definitely a warning shot across the bow to the team right now. If we're in it to win the Cup this year, a move almost has to be made. At a certain point, its almost as important to keep Meier away from NJ as it is to bring him here.
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Because a portion of that 12 million is already absorbed by other player contracts. We have 10.1 million in available space
I think its 2 million per game. I have a bad memory but i believe that was the number. I think it goes up to 3 for ECF and SCF games.
TheReelChuckFletcher
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If the Canes FO were really all that worried about what The Joneses and the Smiths did, for better or for worse, they wouldn't be the Canes FO.
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Which is also why we need to cash in soon to get that top end talent or we're going to find it exceedingly difficult down the line to make it work.
I feel like the only thing missing from our organization right now is an elite scoring talent. If we have that, we have enough pieces in place to have a solid core to build around over the long haul. Hell, I would go so far as to say I trust our front office more than any other to be able to moneypuck the hell out of the supporting cast down the line even if we had to trade away a key impact piece right now.
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It's kinda interesting to bring up the Sharks as a failure for a team that competed forever as an argument for making big moves instead. They have some pretty big blockbusters over the course of their run of success. They are more of an example of both sides.
Also, those of us that are pointing out the logic of trying for long term success or pointing out that it's potentially better for the market doesn't mean we think the team is moving if we miss the playoffs one season. In my case, I've also pointed out that I'm in no way opposed to making big moves. But it's just not a guarantee of anything and people are pinning their hopes too much on a single, specific move
Also, those of us that are pointing out the logic of trying for long term success or pointing out that it's potentially better for the market doesn't mean we think the team is moving if we miss the playoffs one season. In my case, I've also pointed out that I'm in no way opposed to making big moves. But it's just not a guarantee of anything and people are pinning their hopes too much on a single, specific move
Not that I disagree with your point that we need to make moves to get better as well (and I'm certain we will even if it's not the one move everyone is pining for), but rapidly catching up in the standings? With the team that's been the best since Thanksgiving and is on a fairly large win and point streak yet again? I mean, I guess they got to play a couple of games in hand. Good for them.
Borsig
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wow more talent floods into the metro.
They didn't even get much for Tarasenko. Is he that broken? 50% retention? OOF
f***ing arms race.
They didn't even get much for Tarasenko. Is he that broken? 50% retention? OOF
f***ing arms race.
A 1st + 3rd (4th becomes a 3rd if the Rangers make the playoffs) + prospect for a rental?
That's a pretty good return. Retention for 3 months means next to nothing; it's St. Louis's first retention and expires in a couple months.
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It's not a surprise that our division gets flooded every single season. Every contending team, including us, spends the max cap every year. On top of that, groups like the Rangers/Caps/Pens love to splurge assets for veterans.
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Wonder what happened. Because Tarasenko was, reportedly, close to coming to Carolina either this past offseason or the one prior. And now he’d only waive for NY metro teams?
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I don’t get all the angst round here. They have $10M in space. They have all their picks this year plus a good prospect pool. They’re going to do something big and it’ll probably be something we all don’t like on the surface but also end up as the right move in the end.
I hated the Skjei acquisition at first. I didn’t like them letting Hamilton walk or choosing to trade for Burns over signing Klingberg. The judgment of the front office (Kotkaniemi’s situation is still up in the air) has been right more often than not.
They’ll bring in a decent forward or 2, they’ll bring in a depth D. No worries there.
I hated the Skjei acquisition at first. I didn’t like them letting Hamilton walk or choosing to trade for Burns over signing Klingberg. The judgment of the front office (Kotkaniemi’s situation is still up in the air) has been right more often than not.
They’ll bring in a decent forward or 2, they’ll bring in a depth D. No worries there.
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CanesUltimate11
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While I'm not sure that losing 4 points over the last 10 games to the team you're chasing counts as rapidly catching up
the rest of your post is quite valid and the Borg really needs to plan the response.
Borsig
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TDA for Coghlan, TDA 50% retained since Philly thought they were getting more defense from him?
CanesUltimate11
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The CBA needs a clause to allow for greater then 50% retention for abject stupidity by a front office.TDA for Coghlan, TDA 50% retained since Philly thought they were getting more defense from him?
Surrounded By Ahos
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I’m calling bullshit on this because I’ve never seen bern propose or agree with a trade that involved less than six extraneous assets and multiple teams taking on salary cap retention.
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