All Purpose Trade / Roster Building Thread pt 6 - let the waiting game commence

[SlavinAway]

I heard he will flip a coin. Heads California, tails Carolina.

I wish I could like this post more than once. Although should be flipped.

 

[Bunch of Jurcos]

I heard he will flip a coin. Heads California, tails Carolina.

Spoiler Alert: He's using a two headed coin

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

I wish I could like this post more than once. Although should be flipped.

Been a long time since I have heard that song - figured I had a 50/50 shot.

 

[RodTheBawd]

If we pick up Dell I wonder if John would be able to bring himself to refer to him as only his last name. Every time we played them it seemed like he exclusively called him "Aaron Dell"

I post this any time Dell is brought up as a target. Him and Tripp, all f***ing game. Its like they have some inside Frozen joke dropping Arendelle any chance they get.

 

[Unsustainable]

I heard he’s going to roll 3 d9s, and pending on the area code, he will choose.

 

[AD Skinner]

I post this any time Dell is brought up as a target. Him and Tripp, all ****ing game. Its like they have some inside Frozen joke dropping Arendelle any chance they get.

I've never seen frozen but Earendil was an elf who carried the Silmaril across the sky and fathered Elrond

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

31 Thoughts: Could short-term deals break RFA stalemates? - Sportsnet.ca

Canes notes from Friedman today:


Looks like SJ was possibly open to moving Aaron Dell for Marleau (likely @50%). Canes are linked to Mike Smith again.



Puljujarvi is as high-upside as an acquisition gets. I don't think he needs to specifically play with Aho to succeed. Many reports I saw said that communication was an issue with Puljujarvi, just having Aho/TT/Finns on the roster to explain what Rod wants in Finnish could get him on the right track. I can see a scenario where an 18 year old kid who goes to the struggling Oilers and can't comprehend his coaching very well, stunting his growth.

Maybe it ends with a bust but Puljujarvi has Necas/Suzuki level skill. If he pans out it would be a great gamble in exchange for a lesser forward prospect or 2020 2nd.

The longer Williams drags this out, the more Puljujarvi makes sense for this team. There won't be room for a forward acquisition, a Williams-replacement and Williams himself, if he decides to come back after his replacement is acquired, financially, unless we're talking about a Marleau-like hometown discount.

Puljujarvi is going to be a cheap re-sign under the circumstances and that makes him someone that can be pushed down the lineup without disrupting the team cap/salary structure.

Trade McGinn for Puljujarvi
Trade a future or two for Haula
Sign Carpenter (right-handed faceoff guy)

Teravainen - Aho - Puljujarvi
Niederreiter - Staal - Svechnikov
Foegele - Haula - Necas
Martinook - Wallmark - Carpenter

If Williams decides to come back, push Foegele, Puljujarvi or Necas down to the 4th line, depending on performance.

 

[MinJaBen]

Does anyone think the team could/would/should offer Vegas a couple of picks for Marchessault and Clarkson? We get them out of a big hole by taking $10+M in cap off their books and get an excellent player in Marchessault for the cost of taking Clarkson for one year. This gets us a very affordable top six RHS winger/center and lets them basically sign/keep everyone else.

 

[Lempo]

I've never seen frozen but Earendil was an elf who carried the Silmaril across the sky and fathered Elrond

The name's been co-opted. Let it go.

 

[DougieSmash]

Marchessault is probably the best Vegas player not named Stone. I think they will move Patches/Stastny much before him. Even Smith.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Does anyone think the team could/would/should offer Vegas a couple of picks for Marchessault and Clarkson? We get them out of a big hole by taking $10+M in cap off their books and get an excellent player in Marchessault for the cost of taking Clarkson for one year. This gets us a very affordable top six RHS winger/center and lets them basically sign/keep everyone else.

Vegas has too many other tradeable contracts to deal Marchessault, of all players. They can easily get underneath the limit by dealing the likes of Miller/Haula/Eakin/Smith and not mess with the core of the team.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

The longer Williams drags this out, the more Puljujarvi makes sense for this team. There won't be room for a forward acquisition, a Williams-replacement and Williams himself, if he decides to come back after his replacement is acquired, financially, unless we're talking about a Marleau-like hometown discount.

Puljujarvi is going to be a cheap re-sign under the circumstances and that makes him someone that can be pushed down the lineup without disrupting the team cap/salary structure.

Trade McGinn for Puljujarvi
Trade a future or two for Haula
Sign Carpenter (right-handed faceoff guy)

Teravainen - Aho - Puljujarvi
Niederreiter - Staal - Svechnikov
Foegele - Haula - Necas
Martinook - Wallmark - Carpenter

If Williams decides to come back, push Foegele, Puljujarvi or Necas down to the 4th line, depending on performance.

Poolparty on our top line
That is a bad off-season

 

[RodTheBawd]

I've never seen frozen but Earendil was an elf who carried the Silmaril across the sky and fathered Elrond

You either don't have a daughter or are a smarter father than me.

 

[Chrispy]

I've never seen frozen but Earendil was an elf who carried the Silmaril across the sky and fathered Elrond

Arendelle is the source of Scientology?

Actually, that makes as much sense as anything today.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Does anyone think the team could/would/should offer Vegas a couple of picks for Marchessault and Clarkson? We get them out of a big hole by taking $10+M in cap off their books and get an excellent player in Marchessault for the cost of taking Clarkson for one year. This gets us a very affordable top six RHS winger/center and lets them basically sign/keep everyone else.

Keep in mind that Vegas would be paying to be rid of Clarkson to avoid the daily roster management issues Carolina would run into if acquired.

It doesn't sound like the Knights are interested in paying a big price to get rid of his contract anyway. No one has put it up the trade board yet, but Friedman was on Calgary radio 2 days ago and said that "they were offering a 5th round around the draft" (go to ~9:45 at Elliotte Friedman discusses Bobrovsky/Panarin's future, the Flames and RFAs - Sportsnet.ca). Perhaps they're just playing hardball in the short-term, but perhaps they don't mind dealing with the LTIR issues for a year

 

[My Special Purpose]

$89,024,999

Vegas isn't a touch over the cap. They are basically the *max* allowed amount over the cap at any time during the year. They have *10* forwards making over $2.7 million each, and an 11th who's an RFA with arb rights who's never played a minute in the NHL. They were forced to non-qualify five guys, which will basically gut their AHL team in Chicago. Winning has clearly had a price, out there.

And after the way they wielded their power during the expansion draft, I don't think a lot of GMs are looking for excuses to help them out. It's going to be really painful, I think.

 

[Sigurd]

31 Thoughts: Could short-term deals break RFA stalemates? - Sportsnet.ca

Canes notes from Friedman today:


Looks like SJ was possibly open to moving Aaron Dell for Marleau (likely @50%). Canes are linked to Mike Smith again.



Puljujarvi is as high-upside as an acquisition gets. I don't think he needs to specifically play with Aho to succeed. Many reports I saw said that communication was an issue with Puljujarvi, just having Aho/TT/Finns on the roster to explain what Rod wants in Finnish could get him on the right track. I can see a scenario where an 18 year old kid who goes to the struggling Oilers and can't comprehend his coaching very well, stunting his growth.

Maybe it ends with a bust but Puljujarvi has Necas/Suzuki level skill. If he pans out it would be a great gamble in exchange for a lesser forward prospect or 2020 2nd.

I like the thought of Puljujarvi playing for us based on what you said. I could see him doing better if he had Finnish linesmates to play with too

Pulju, and getting a top 6 center man this offseason would be impressive IMO. I'm not sure if we'd do something like that at most or not, but excluding the goalie situation, I don't think there would be much more to do especially since we have kids challenging for spots at the bottom of the forwards and D for this upcoming season.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Poolparty on our top line
That is a bad off-season

I have enough confidence in Aho and Teravainen to carry a lesser player.

The lineup is going to end up looking ugly, if Williams retires. The player that he is at the contract he'll get (1 year, $3 mil-$4 mil) is irreplaceable really.

 

[SvechneJerk]

Steve Kouleas just reported a few minutes ago that Darling was bought out, but I’m not seeing any evidence of that anywhere...

Am I missing something?

 

[My Special Purpose]

Vegas has too many other tradeable contracts to deal Marchessault, of all players. They can easily get underneath the limit by dealing the likes of Miller/Haula/Eakin/Smith and not mess with the core of the team.

I get it, but this is not a "one guy has to go" type situation. They probably have to move *three* players, minimum to even be compliant, then they still have to clear space to sign Gusev and Subban.

I couldn't pick Gusev out of a police lineup, and I have no idea what he's worth, but if he were to sign an offer sheet for the league minimum, Vegas *couldn't* match it, according to league rules.

 

[NotOpie]

With Luongo's retirement, that puts one more team in the hunt for a goalie. Mrazek just got a little more attractive and so did Mac.

 

[Vagrant]

i think vegas is going to want someone to take a bad contract and accept gusev as the return for it. i don't think they want any part of trying to sign him.

 

[Chrispy]

$89,024,999

Vegas isn't a touch over the cap. They are basically the *max* allowed amount over the cap at any time during the year. They have *10* forwards making over $2.7 million each, and an 11th who's an RFA with arb rights who's never played a minute in the NHL. They were forced to non-qualify five guys, which will basically gut their AHL team in Chicago. Winning has clearly had a price, out there.

And after the way they wielded their power during the expansion draft, I don't think a lot of GMs are looking for excuses to help them out. It's going to be really painful, I think.

This is why I think the offer sheet ideas are misguided looking at the top:

Would you pay Malcolm Subban $1.39M as a one-year flier? That's double his salary this year and would require zero compensation to Vegas.

Gusev is a difficult one to estimate one given he's close to UFA, but only has 1 year NHL experience. You could buy out UFA years, or try to sign him to a less expensive 1-year deal and rent him for a lower pick.

 

[Chrispy]

With Luongo's retirement, that puts one more team in the hunt for a goalie. Mrazek just got a little more attractive and so did Mac.

But isn't that one of the possibilities for Bobrovsky? Seems like that doesn't open options the same way if Bobrovsky ends up in Florida as we assumed he might.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

With Luongo's retirement, that puts one more team in the hunt for a goalie. Mrazek just got a little more attractive and so did Mac.

they are blowing their wad on Panarin and Bob. To live in a pit of doom like Minnesota does but for 5 less years.

edit: meant Bob and typed bread.