All Purpose Trade / Roster Building Thread Part 5: The Jerk Store Called - It's Time to Restock

[Boom Boom Apathy]

The goalie situation is concerning, supplanting a scoring forward as the top priority? But who is out there the Canes have a reasonable chance at landing, and who will put them in position to continue this year's success? The best guys are too expensive or not likely to come to CAR. The others aren't great. Hope they can sign Mrazek, but who else? Lehner? Give Ned a chance?

I still think Mrazek gets signed and this is just negotiation fluff. Lehner would cost more than Mrazek I would think.

 

[Chrispy]

The goalie situation is concerning, supplanting a scoring forward as the top priority? But who is out there the Canes have a reasonable chance at landing, and who will put them in position to continue this year's success? The best guys are too expensive or not likely to come to CAR. The others aren't great. Hope they can sign Mrazek, but who else? Lehner? Give Ned a chance?

I said this earlier in the off-season: my top 3 priorities for signing are:
1) Aho
2) Mrazek (I'll accept McElhinney, but the Borg needs to sign one of the two)
3) Forslund

 

[ookhaab]

I said this earlier in the off-season: my top 3 priorities for signing are:
1) Aho
2) Mrazek (I'll accept McElhinney, but the Borg needs to sign one of the two)
3) Forslund

I appreciate your opinion but...

1. Forslund
2. Aho
3. A goalie

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I appreciate your opinion but...

1. Forslund
2. Aho
3. A goalie

I don't appreciate your opinion.

Forslund isn't anywhere near the top of my off season priorities. I think John is great and would hate to lose him, but he has zero impact on the quality of the play on the ice.

 

[Chrispy]

I don't appreciate your opinion.

Forslund isn't anywhere near the top of my off season priorities. I think John is great and would hate to lose him, but he has zero impact on the quality of the play on the ice.

No, but he definitely impacts my enjoyment of the game, especially during the down seasons. And with him being both the TV and radio voice now, it's even more important to me.

And once you get past Aho and one goalie, who is the urgent signing that needs to get done before July 1?

I'd be shocked if Williams is playing in another city next year, it's Raleigh or retirement.
Ferland isn't coming back.
I don't see a lot of negotiating power for Fleury or McKeown.
McKegg? McGinn or Bishop or Maenalanen as RFAs?

 

[GoldiFox]

I appreciate your opinion but...

1. Forslund
2. Aho
3. A goalie

If given the choice next year you would rather have Forslund announcing games than Aho at #1C? Nah.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Any truth to the Hamilton as a trade piece speculation? It doesn't really make sense to me

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/mcguire-rask-has-been-off-the-charts-for-the-bruins-1.1320724

Skip to ~19:00 for this speculation. Consider the source here. It's not McKenzie, LeBrun, Dreger or Friedman. It's Pierre McGuire. He also hedged pretty hard in that comment: "I think they might move him."

Nothing to see here, imo.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

No, but he definitely impacts my enjoyment of the game, especially during the down seasons. And with him being both the TV and radio voice now, it's even more important to me.

And once you get past Aho and one goalie, who is the urgent signing that needs to get done before July 1?

I'd be shocked if Williams is playing in another city next year, it's Raleigh or retirement.
Ferland isn't coming back.
I don't see a lot of negotiating power for Fleury or McKeown.
McKegg? McGinn or Bishop or Maenalanen as RFAs?

It's not just signings, it's "off-season priorities":

Aho, goalie situation, trades, draft, adding another top 6F, another C, Vellucci, replacing MacDonald (and now Bales), etc.. all come well before Forslund for me. I get that he adds to the enjoyment when watching/listening, but we've had Forslund for the past 9 years of no playoffs and it hasn't been enjoyable with him. Chuck Kaiton's situation last year cemented that even more for me.

Give me good team and playoffs over good announcer any day.

To each their own though.

 

[MinJaBen]

I still think Mrazek gets signed and this is just negotiation fluff. Lehner would cost more than Mrazek I would think.

And be better.

 

[MinJaBen]

I don't appreciate your opinion.

Forslund isn't anywhere near the top of my off season priorities. I think John is great and would hate to lose him, but he has zero impact on the quality of the play on the ice.

Counter point: But he has more impact on making up for the lack of quality on the ice in keeping us entertained. I probably couldn't have watched several of the previous seasons if it was some guy like....anybody else....calling those hot messes.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Counter point: But he has more impact on making up for the lack of quality on the ice in keeping us entertained. I probably couldn't have watched several of the previous seasons if it was some guy like....anybody else....calling those hot messes.

We'll just disagree on this. I get it, he's entertaining, a damn good announcer and I definitely want him here, but give me a winning team over an entertaining announcer any day of the week. For me, players, coaches, scouts, etc... are all a bigger priority than an announcer.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Forslund is one of the best. Maybe the best to many of our fans. He won't be the announcer forever, even if it's just from retirement someday. He adds enjoyment, but I enjoyed all the playoff games I watched without him this year plenty. The team matters way before he does even though I'd be quite bummed without him.

 

[bleedgreen]

I don't appreciate your opinion.

Forslund isn't anywhere near the top of my off season priorities. I think John is great and would hate to lose him, but he has zero impact on the quality of the play on the ice.

He impacts the quality of the experience when we suck!

 

[bleedgreen]

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/mcguire-rask-has-been-off-the-charts-for-the-bruins-1.1320724

Skip to ~19:00 for this speculation. Consider the source here. It's not McKenzie, LeBrun, Dreger or Friedman. It's Pierre McGuire. He also hedged pretty hard in that comment: "I think they might move him."

Nothing to see here, imo.

He was also part of the crew that was piling on Hamilton during the playoffs wasn’t he? Seemed like the media in general enjoyed dumping on the guy.

I remember seeing a ticker line on nhl network that was giving some advanced stats during the first series and it didn’t say “the canes gave up two pp goals during game whatever”....it said “the canes gave up two pp goals when Doug Hamilton was in the box”, during the whole scandal with Ovechkin. It was like the ticker guy was jumping on whatever is trending instead of just ......reporting the news.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

He impacts the quality of the experience when we suck!

Right, so the off-season priority should be to not suck first and foremost.

 

[bleedgreen]

If Aho becomes a really big mess because he wants some new ridiculous number then he becomes less of a priority to me. This team showed us how important it is to have the entire team, and in the end Aho just wasn’t a great as we needed him to be and we still made the conference finals. We won a lot of big games down the stretch without him.

I love the kid, of course I want him signed but there’s a limit for me when it comes to paying him. If he wants more then 10 or something crazy then we way most of you feel about Ferland is how I start feeling about Aho.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

He was also part of the crew that was piling on Hamilton during the playoffs wasn’t he? Seemed like the media in general enjoyed dumping on the guy.

I remember seeing a ticker line on nhl network that was giving some advanced stats during the first series and it didn’t say “the canes gave up two pp goals during game whatever”....it said “the canes gave up two pp goals when Doug Hamilton was in the box”, during the whole scandal with Ovechkin. It was like the ticker guy was jumping on whatever is trending instead of just ......reporting the news.

The hockey community as a whole doesn't care for offensive defensemen that aren't good defensively and big players that aren't physical. Hamilton is sort of the ultimate combination of the two. He's naturally very polarizing.

 

[Ahoy there]

If Aho becomes a really big mess because he wants some new ridiculous number then he becomes less of a priority to me. This team showed us how important it is to have the entire team, and in the end Aho just wasn’t a great as we needed him to be and we still made the conference finals. We won a lot of big games down the stretch without him.

I love the kid, of course I want him signed but there’s a limit for me when it comes to paying him. If he wants more then 10 or something crazy then we way most of you feel about Ferland is how I start feeling about Aho.

I can see your point, but I don't think you can isolate the situation in this case. I would argue that the team recognizes that Aho is: the best player, the most impactful player, has more upside, and is very young. If you don't pay fair market value to a guy like Aho I feel it has an impact on the entire team. If I were a player, not paying Aho would make Carolina a stepping stone team for me. You absolutely have to take care of your young stars imo. We already carry the stigma of being cheap, and rightfully so!

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

If Aho becomes a really big mess because he wants some new ridiculous number then he becomes less of a priority to me. This team showed us how important it is to have the entire team, and in the end Aho just wasn’t a great as we needed him to be and we still made the conference finals. We won a lot of big games down the stretch without him.

I love the kid, of course I want him signed but there’s a limit for me when it comes to paying him. If he wants more then 10 or something crazy then we way most of you feel about Ferland is how I start feeling about Aho.

A couple of comments:
1) I understand you are saying "IF" as in hypothetical.
2) I don't think we can think this is going to lead to a big mess just because he's not signed yet. Virtually no key RFA's have signed yet. None of Marner, Laine, Rantanen, Aho, Point, Trouba, Karlsson, Werenski, Connor, Tkachuk, Boeser, Provorov, Koneckny, etc... have signed.
3) What Aho gets is going to depend a lot on what the other RFA's get. If that's where the salaries are going, then so be it, that's what it takes. If the Canes aren't willing to pay market value for the best player they've had in a long time, then we might as well fold up.

I think once one or two of these guys sign and set the comps, most of the rest will fall in line.

 

[GoldiFox]

The hockey community as a whole doesn't care for offensive defensemen that aren't good defensively and big players that aren't physical. Hamilton is sort of the ultimate combination of the two. He's naturally very polarizing.

I have never gotten the "isn't physical" bit watching Dougie in Carolina. Hamilton (160) was #2 on the team (edit: Defensemen) in hits behind De Haan (187) and ahead of players like Faulk (156), McGinn (137), and Foegele (126). In many games he was the most physical player on the ice and over the course of the season appeared to me to be regularly the most physical D on the team. Maybe Carolina as a whole is just soft.

And while Hamilton may have high-event defensive gaffes, I'd say overall he is quite good defensively. The way he is picked apart is akin to Pitkanen 2.0. Because he is big and calm with a smooth skating stride he gets pegged as a guy who isn't giving enough. Compare Hamilton to a guy like Noah Hanifin who is actually terrible in the defensive zone and the difference is night and day.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

The way he is picked apart is akin to Pitkanen 2.0. Because he is big and calm with a smooth skating stride he gets pegged as a guy who isn't giving enough. Compare Hamilton to a guy like Noah Hanifin who is actually terrible in the defensive zone and the difference is night and day.

itym Malik 3.0

p.s. in case you've forgotten:

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

I have never gotten the "isn't physical" bit watching Dougie in Carolina. Hamilton (160) was #2 on the team in hits behind De Haan (187) and ahead of players like Faulk (156), McGinn (137), and Foegele (126). In many games he was the most physical player on the ice and over the course of the season appeared to me to be regularly the most physical D on the team. Maybe Carolina as a whole is just soft.

And while Hamilton may have high-event defensive gaffes, I'd say overall he is quite good defensively. The way he is picked apart is akin to Pitkanen 2.0. Because he is big and calm with a smooth skating stride he gets pegged as a guy who isn't giving enough. Compare Hamilton to a guy like Noah Hanifin who is actually terrible in the defensive zone and the difference is night and day.

Reality ≠ Perception. What was perceived to be the bailout on the Ovechkin forecheck in Game 5 of the Washington series only reinforced the soft narrative about him.

 

[Svechhammer]

I have never gotten the "isn't physical" bit watching Dougie in Carolina. Hamilton (160) was #2 on the team in hits behind De Haan (187) and ahead of players like Faulk (156), McGinn (137), and Foegele (126). In many games he was the most physical player on the ice and over the course of the season appeared to me to be regularly the most physical D on the team. Maybe Carolina as a whole is just soft.

And while Hamilton may have high-event defensive gaffes, I'd say overall he is quite good defensively. The way he is picked apart is akin to Pitkanen 2.0. Because he is big and calm with a smooth skating stride he gets pegged as a guy who isn't giving enough. Compare Hamilton to a guy like Noah Hanifin who is actually terrible in the defensive zone and the difference is night and day.

I'd rather have Hamilton paired with Pesce or Slavin than pretty much anyone else out there. He's exactly what we need in a solid defenseman who brings a top level offensive game. It would be a huge mistake to move on from him, and after we traded what we did for him last year, I really don't think that's in the cards, nor should it be.

 

[MinJaBen]

itym Malik 3.0

p.s. in case you've forgotten:

I'm a little dense...what does that have to do with @AndreiThreeK 's post?

 

[AD Skinner]

I always wondered would pitkanen get as much criticism if his name was Johnny Peterson from Canada instead of a "soft euro", I guess now I know the answer