All Purpose Trade / Roster Building Thread Part 5: The Jerk Store Called - It's Time to Restock

[Big Daddy Cane]

In other news, lurking around the boards, I read that Russo wrote that the Canes checked in on Zucker again. I don't have an Athletic sub to confirm; I really should get one, at least for the next month.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Reality ≠ Perception. What was perceived to be the bailout on the Ovechkin forecheck in Game 5 of the Washington series only reinforced the soft narrative about him.

Hamilton had spent the entire series going after Ovie to avenge Svech. Makes sense he saw 8 charging in and tbought it was time to pay up.

 

[Chrispy]

In other news, lurking around the boards, I read that Russo wrote that the Canes checked in on Zucker again. I don't have an Athletic sub to confirm; I really should get one, at least for the next month.

Without giving anything away, the Canes are one of many Russo believes Fenton's talked to about Zucker.

And it mentions Fenton is looking for a RH forward in general, so if someone can provide that they will be in much better shape than Carolina. OTOH, I think Fenton wants more picks too. So Carolina could be in good shape there.

 

[MinJaBen]

In other news, lurking around the boards, I read that Russo wrote that the Canes checked in on Zucker again. I don't have an Athletic sub to confirm; I really should get one, at least for the next month.

This is all he said:

Some teams it’s believed Fenton has talked to besides Pittsburgh are Vancouver, Buffalo, Arizona, Anaheim, Winnipeg, Carolina and Calgary.

It may be we still have strong interest, it may be pure speculation based on previous interest...it's hard to tell from that.

 

[Lempo]

I always wondered would pitkanen get as much criticism if his name was Johnny Peterson from Canada instead of a "soft euro", I guess now I know the answer

The interesting comparison would be between Johnny Peterson and Johnny Pettersson.

 

[A Star is Burns]

If Aho becomes a really big mess because he wants some new ridiculous number then he becomes less of a priority to me. This team showed us how important it is to have the entire team, and in the end Aho just wasn’t a great as we needed him to be and we still made the conference finals. We won a lot of big games down the stretch without him.

I love the kid, of course I want him signed but there’s a limit for me when it comes to paying him. If he wants more then 10 or something crazy then we way most of you feel about Ferland is how I start feeling about Aho.

Aren't you the one that kept going on about Skinner and market value? Like BBA said, nobody in this situation has signed, and I'm confident he'll fall in the range about market value.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

This is all he said:



It may be we still have strong interest, it may be pure speculation based on previous interest...it's hard to tell from that.

That definitely could be the case. I went back and looked. Russo was the one that originated the Zucker to Carolina rumor at the deadline.

 

[HisIceness]

We should try that Rask for Nino thing again.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

We should try that Rask for Nino thing again.

I'd rather keep Nino than take Rask back.

 

[ookhaab]

If given the choice next year you would rather have Forslund announcing games than Aho at #1C? Nah.

I would rather have Aho announcing games and Forslund at #1C

 

[Lempo]

A couple of comments:
1) I understand you are saying "IF" as in hypothetical.
2) I don't think we can think this is going to lead to a big mess just because he's not signed yet. Virtually no key RFA's have signed yet. None of Marner, Laine, Rantanen, Aho, Point, Trouba, Karlsson, Werenski, Connor, Tkachuk, Boeser, Provorov, Koneckny, etc... have signed.
3) What Aho gets is going to depend a lot on what the other RFA's get. If that's where the salaries are going, then so be it, that's what it takes. If the Canes aren't willing to pay market value for the best player they've had in a long time, then we might as well fold up.

I think once one or two of these guys sign and set the comps, most of the rest will fall in line.

I am in understanding that eliminated teams are not to make headline moves while the Stanley Cup Playoffs and especially Finals are happening, and steal the thunder from the supposed culmination of the hockey year.

May well be that news about signed high-profile RFA contracts start dropping in in a couple of days.

 

[Lempo]

I would also assume that letting things hang past the Draft might be bad for a pending RFA, as the team might stumble upon a steal pick or a trade in the Draft that instantly makes the RFA a slightly less critical cog, effecting on the potential contract value.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I would also assume that letting things hang past the Draft might be bad for a pending RFA, as the team might stumble upon a steal pick or a trade in the Draft that instantly makes the RFA a slightly less critical cog, effecting on the potential contract value.

For lower end RFAs that's probably valid, but for guys like Aho, Marner, Rantanen, etc... that's probably not a realistic concern. If anything, waiting until after 7/1 brings the leverage of a potential offer sheet.

 

[My Special Purpose]

For lower end RFAs that's probably valid, but for guys like Aho, Marner, Rantanen, etc... that's probably not a realistic concern. If anything, waiting until after 7/1 brings the leverage of a potential offer sheet.

I think June 23 is the magic date. That's the day teams and UFAs can officially start to talk with other clubs. RFAs are three days later, but I think all teams want to know where they stand with regard to their own free agents by that date in order to plan.

 

[GoldiFox]

If Hayes is interested in CBJ and Phoenix then Carolina might have a chance - assuming they would pay his ask.

 

[Tatre]

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/mcguire-rask-has-been-off-the-charts-for-the-bruins-1.1320724

Skip to ~19:00 for this speculation. Consider the source here. It's not McKenzie, LeBrun, Dreger or Friedman. It's Pierre McGuire. He also hedged pretty hard in that comment: "I think they might move him."

Nothing to see here, imo.

Gotcha, I didn't know where it came from

 

[Roboturner913]

We should try that Rask for Nino thing again.

If you are referring to a desire to trade Nino Niederreiter to the Minnesota Wild in exchange for Victor Rask, I'll politely say no thanks.

If, on the other hand, you are talking about trading a dead weight player for a decent useful player, I agree, I just don't know who the dead weight player would be at this point.

 

[Lempo]

We should try that Rask for Nino thing again.

Oh... oh!

 

[Roboturner913]

You know what they say, if you can't beat 'em, force them to join you instead

 

[HaNotsri]

Question for you guys - do you think Dundon will push for some aggressive moves or at least ”ok” them when he thinks it’s time?

 

[HisIceness]

Oh... oh!

This guy gets it.

 

[spockBokk]

I still think they end up getting a guy like Zucker or ideally a guy like Kapanen for some combo of futures/prospects/Fleury. Zucker seems more likely imho than Kapanen. Then they backfill the void of right shots with Checkers.

With the amount of righties in Charlotte and their recent Calder Cup run, I’d also imagine that they already have Necas pencilled in at top 9 wing or 3C, and also add the right handed Checker (Roy/Gauthier/Geekie) that wants it most in camp as the briantrust’s ideal offseason addition on top of some sort of trade for scoring.

So assuming Williams retires (which I think is most likely at this point):

Nino-Aho-Zucker/Kapanen/mystery trade acquisition

Svech-Staal-Teravainen

Foegele-Necas/Wallmark-Necas/Righty Checker

Martinook-Wallmark/ Righty Checker-McGinn/Righty Checker

One of Roy/Gauthier/Geekie rotate in as needed in the bottom 6

-Maybe swap Necas at wing with TT on the 2nd line for more balance, etc.

Doesn’t look horrible, and probably doesn’t cost that much with 3 guys (Svech, Necas and the mystery Checker) still on their ELC. Not sure how RBA would feel about 2 rookies though. Out of Roy/Gauthier/Geekie, I personally think Roy is the most NHL ready.

I’m thinking more and more the D stays exactly as is, except for adding Bean, until November, when they have a feeling whether or not Faulk will stick around and how CDH and TVR have rehabbed .

They still will have 1 too many NHL D once both CDH and TVR are back, and think there is the hope that the addition of a guy like Bean to the group has potential to finally tip the PP from abysmal to slightly successful.

 

[Lempo]

This guy gets it.

It's probably that Finn guy and Swede guy having the same name thing that confused Robo.

 

[NotOpie]

Aho, goalie situation, trades, draft, adding another top 6F, another C, Vellucci, replacing MacDonald (and now Bales), etc.. all come well before Forslund for me. I get that he adds to the enjoyment when watching/listening, but we've had Forslund for the past 9 years of no playoffs and it hasn't been enjoyable with him.

I seem to be agreeing w/BBA an awful lot lately. This is no different. Just make the team better.

There is, however, that little voice in the back of my head around the fact that Forslund has been with this team through it all. The good, the bad, and now the good again. The players apparently have a good relationship with him. Management does too. If something happens and he ends up walking, it will affect the culture.....but, like I said, that's a little voice in the back of my head. Personally, I think most of the delay with him is around the complexity of his schedule.

 

[bleedgreen]

I just don’t want Forslund to leave and hope we make the effort to keep him instead of going with someone younger, hungrier and cheaper.

I’d love us to be in on Zucker and he qualifies as a guy with term from a market that no longer exists.

As far as Aho signing a “market” deal didn’t Donny just say today that we aren’t the league and that our budget is different?

I’m fine with Aho getting whatever market is but I am concerned with how we will handle such a contract if it’s really huge. Different time and ownership but when we signed Staal we puffed our chest about it then promptly started letting all his help gtfo. Aho isn’t enough by himself was all my point was, and if he’s in a category where we sign him but don’t support him because of the contract then I don’t want the contract. If it’s under 10 you’d think we would be good. If it’s over 10 then I’m not so sure we would, and I’d personally be on the fence about whether he’s worth it or not.