The Pens are at the last gasp stage and EK is a last gasp gamble. The Pens are pot committed and are throwing everything they have into one last run. I admire them for going for it against the odds. After a core has won you 3 cups you back them to the end IMO. Especially in the twilight years of one of the top players in NHL history leading the way.
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Atoyot
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Also Petry and DeSmith.Yeah and they gave up what....A mid-to-late 1st for him and couple basically replacement level players in Granlund and Ruta?
If that's consisted all-in I'd hate to see some of your guy's bank accounts
Especially since they moved a lot of money tied up in useless players in the same move. Karlsson may be overpaid and overrated, but at least he provides some value
"against the odds" is a key phrase. I'm not convinced that they make the playoffs as they're currently structured. (I'm not a believer in the "Boy Wonder" GM.) Oh, they'll have a darn good PP but........
I’m not a Dubas fan either but you don’t do a rebuild in the last couple years of Sid’s career. You throw everything in and see if there is one more season of magic. An organization has no other choice but give this core that respect. They have won you 3 cups and as an organization you have won 5 cups over the last 30 years. A rebuild will eventually happen, but with that type of franchise success a rebuild can wait a couple years out of respect to the players that got you there.
Right, my bad/apologies. missed the MTL side completely as hockey Db only shows the PIT to SJS transaction. They also did get rem pitlick back fwiw.
Idk i still don't consider that all-in
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Atoyot
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Yeah not arguing for or against, just being factualRight, my bad/apologies. missed the MTL side completely as hockey Db only shows the PIT to SJS transaction. They also did get rem pitlick back fwiw.
Idk i still don't consider that all-in
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Sure, OK. They would have been better off getting a better goalie than getting EK. Or at least that is the more obvious move. Was an all offense, no defense Dman really what they needed?
The trade itself is a minor miracle. They managed to get Karlsson and actually have their cap hit go down over 3 mil. I'm just not sure it accomplishes much on ice. Time will tell.
I very much like the trade for the Pens - who cares about futures honestly. They have Crosby, Malkin, Letang and Karlsson. I expect them to make the playoffs as a low seed (baring major injuries) and then you never know. Will they win a Cup? Probably not ... but what is your alternative scenario? There is pretty much not even an alternate scenario. You have to run out Crosby's and Malkin's careers and until that you can't even start preparing any rebuilds. You might as well load it up as much as you can.
The upcoming rebuild will come and it will be a rough one but that is fine. Think Detroit from the Datsyuk, Lidström, Zetterberg and Co. days up until... well up until now pretty much. It's still the same rebuild.
The upcoming rebuild will come and it will be a rough one but that is fine. Think Detroit from the Datsyuk, Lidström, Zetterberg and Co. days up until... well up until now pretty much. It's still the same rebuild.
Do think they were better served getting a goalie however the goalie market has been crap this offseason and really not many great options available.
Jarry has been up and down his career, unless they're getting one of the big-5 (6 with Oettinger maybe?) that you can rely on for excellent play year-in year-out seems like most of the starters will be up and down in their career.
I think it was made clear to Dubas when he took the job that the goal was to contend. That is after all why Burke and Hextall were let go. They were brought in by old ownership to blow things up and rebuild. When the new owners took over they met with Crosby and elected to change course. So yes Dubas will be going all in for the next few years as that is the directive.
Not really sure this move was the optimal path for them. They have pretty shallow forward depth and inconsistent goaltending.
Not really sure this move was the optimal path for them. They have pretty shallow forward depth and inconsistent goaltending.
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Part of the reason Dubas got 7 years and $40 million was to do both IMO. He will run them to “win now” for as long as Sid (now 36) wants then he gets to blow it up and “start” the rebuild on the back half of his contract.
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With Karlsson , the crux of conversation is essentially did the Penguins give up too much? Is it detrimental/devastating to a future rebuild? If the answer is yes than going after him was a bad move. If is no ( where I stand), then at the very least, it wasn't a bad move at all. I mean Penguins have a history of giving up 1st like candy over the years anyway and were still able to build cup calibre teams .
Pens were already committed to running out this core, anyway. They have a very weak and shallow prospect pool and few picks. They really didn't have a path back to contention via prospects and picks, and weren't going to trade their best players like Crosby or Malkin to jumpstart a rebuild. Dubas could really only take a swing like Karlsson and hope for the best.
I won't be surprised if they struggle to make the playoffs, and soon will be facing a long and uncertain rebuild. Good thing Dubas is young.
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Dubas stil haș $6m of cap space AFTER the Karlsson trade... I think the Pens could actually make a move if he wasn't handcuffed by awful Hextall/Burke signings.
That being said, Jarry has never lasted a full season and can really run cold. I would have sold the farm for Helle if I was Dubas.
That being said, Jarry has never lasted a full season and can really run cold. I would have sold the farm for Helle if I was Dubas.
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The problem may have been that "the farm" in the penguins case is 3 dusty acres and an old goat
Aside from their 1st and maybe Pickering (who is another lefty), did they have enough to get that deal done?
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Dubas seems to have a knack for three-way deals... but that is an ugly roster/depth
Some combo of Carter/Ellers plus picks from Winnipeg/Pitts to even it out to Arizona
Crouse/Geekie to Winnipeg
Helle/Stanley to Pitts
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The Pens have no cap space once Guentzel comes off LTIR and joins the roster.
That is terrible for the Coyotes. Crouse and Geekie are going to cost a heck of a lot more than that.
The picks would be for taking on Carter/Ellers
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The challenge is Helle would be a one year rental in Pittsburgh. He is not signing long term to a team that might have ”one” shot this year if all the old guys magically stay healthy in May which is a long shot. They are realistically not be a contender this season and by the time his new contract kicks in they will probably not be a playoff team anymore. Last time Crosby won a cup he was 29 and Gino was 30 they just turned 36 and 37 this summer.
It’s cute story and the owners are doing the right thing IMO but Erik is joining a fading core that are Wheelers age. This is a prolonged victory Lap 6 seasons since the last cup parade in Pennsylvania.
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The Pens do have one prized piece in their prospect pool, but I'm not sure they would part with him. They just drafted Yager 14th OA in the 2023 draft 4 spots before we got Barlow. He is a right shooting center with play making ability and a laser shot. The kid is also from Saskatchewan so maybe he would want to spend a career in Winnipeg. He was an easy first in the Pens prospect ranking thread and would be right there with McGoarty in ours. Id take him in a heartbeat. But like I said he might be the one future piece the Pens aren't willing to give up.
We trade Helle and who Is starting for us ~60 games? PIT just signed Jarry long term doubt they are going to trade for Helle now, and doubt we are keen on moving him.
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It really would be an all-in this year move as they would platoon Helle and Jarry and somehow hope Helle's influence makes Jarry a better goalie moving forward on that contract...
I don't think the ownership group gives a flying f*** how the team operates... and are content with a 7-8 year rebuild after this season... but Helle at least gives them a shot for one last Crosby cup - just have to make the playoffs and they won't with Jarry
The Pens have no cap space at this point. They seem like a bad fit for a Hellebuyck trade.
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