Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[Whileee]

I'm guessing teams are waiting to see what happens with Lindholm, Calgary is trying to re-sign him, and he's 2 years younger.

I don't care about Chipman making money off 2-3 playoff games, so trade them.

Also, if the Flames do find a way to re-sign Lindholm, it will give some indication of the contract value for Scheifele (though Scheifele is older).

 

[MardyBum]

I think next time this team misses the playoffs, they won't get back for probably 5+ years. Increasing cap and players increasingly playing themselves to UFA as soon as they can work in Winnipeg's disadvantage, IMO.

Eh, if the Jets can extend Helle they will make the playoffs for the next few years. If not then this year isn't the year to go for it, last year was.

They can Columbus it all they want, will just result in more lost revenue down the line from a longer rebuild.

 

[MardyBum]

Also, if the Flames do find a way to re-sign Lindholm, it will give some indication of the contract value for Scheifele (though Scheifele is older).

Yeah kind of sucks he had such bad luck with his linemates finishing his setups this year. Statistically his worst PPG in awhile but he was just as good offensively as he has been in years past getting passes to dangerous areas on top of the goals.

 

[GaryPoppins]

No interest in

We are way underselling Helle and Scheif on here.... WORST case scenario you likely get a 1st round pick and a prospect just for the chance to sign them before free agency...

The market might be tougher for Scheif because of his playoff injury track record...

I'd say Buffalo has dropped off - and Detroit is now looking like a realistic destination now that the Yzerplan is full speed ahead.

Fabbri, Kasper, Savage, Reimer, Conditional 1st 2025 for Helle, Gus

Basically trading Helle for Kasper

No interest in Reimer for multiple reasons aside he’s just not good anymore.

 

[MardyBum]

Just to remind everyone :

Copp got Morgan Barron, Brad Lambert, Elias Salomonsson, and Thomas Milic.

3 of our top 10 prospects(arguable on Milic but I'd guess around there) and a solid 4th liner with some upside.

And he was gone, 100%. If Scheifele and Helle are gone, 100%, give me more chances to get guys to build around Perfetti, Rutger, Barlow, Lambert, Lucius, etc.

I'd sign Helle for 4-5 years at more than most teams are willing to pay, but he has to want to stay. If he doesn't? Thank you for your service.

 

[KingBogo]

Revenue sharing makes the increasing cap point moot. Cap is only increasing because league-wide revenue is increasing, and when that happens if the Jets are indeed a have-not franchise, they will receive a nice supplement of revenue share.

Also 2 games worth of playoff revenue is not franchise altering money. 55 and 37 are most likely walking anyways next summer, that is not in the Jets control. So if the Jets are bound to miss the playoffs for 5+ years as you claim, that is going to happen regardless. Given so trying to get back guys who can help you make the playoffs in a few years in the return on a 55/37 trade is worth way more than the ~4-5 million in revenue they will make for 2-3 playoff games (and that is revenue not profit). The Jets will save way more cash next season in 55/37/80 salaries than that "lost" 1st round revenue.

Season Ticket purchasers are also cratering. A competitive team after the All Star Break translates into a lot of tickets being sold to those who want to watch hockey but play a more a wait and see approach to see if the team is competitive.

 

[tbcwpg]

Revenue sharing makes the increasing cap point moot. Cap is only increasing because league-wide revenue is increasing, and when that happens if the Jets are indeed a have-not franchise, they will receive a nice supplement of revenue share.

Also 2 games worth of playoff revenue is not franchise altering money. 55 and 37 are most likely walking anyways next summer, that is not in the Jets control. So if the Jets are bound to miss the playoffs for 5+ years as you claim, that is going to happen regardless. Given so trying to get back guys who can help you make the playoffs in a few years in the return on a 55/37 trade is worth way more than the ~4-5 million in revenue they will make for 2-3 playoff games (and that is revenue not profit). The Jets will save way more cash next season in 55/37/80 salaries than that "lost" 1st round revenue.

The increasing cap means fewer teams in cap crunches that need to move useful players, and fewer reasons to take more money to play in Winnipeg.

I agree on the need to move them but moving them makes far more sense in the summer. I think moving at the deadline has more lasting negative consequences.

Well, let's hope it's this year then. Might as well get that tank timer started asap so promising prospects like Rutger, Colby, Lucius and BBB don't lose hope early on. We want them to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

The whole thing with a rebuild is that there isn't light at the end of the tunnel. It's the accumulation phase. That could go on far longer than planned, and I think that's likely.

It’s about finding a balance though. This is an ongoing enterprise. As long as the return is fair you need to make the trade. If you walk Scheif and Helly out the door for nothing except another playoff appearance you send a message to your season ticket holders, the casual fan, your team, and the league that your organization is likely delusional or at least incompetent at asset management.

I think if there was a fair trade being offered for Scheifele or Hellebuyck they'd have been moved by now. Teams rarely want to offer fair trade prices.

If you walk them out the door, you're at least sending the message you're serious about winning. Might not be the right message but it's not a bad message.

Eh, if the Jets can extend Helle they will make the playoffs for the next few years. If not then this year isn't the year to go for it, last year was.

They can Columbus it all they want, will just result in more lost revenue down the line from a longer rebuild.

They're not extending Helle if they're just going to tread water.

I think there's a lot of romanticizing rebuilds on here. They suck.

 

[MardyBum]

The increasing cap means fewer teams in cap crunches that need to move useful players, and fewer reasons to take more money to play in Winnipeg.

I agree on the need to move them but moving them makes far more sense in the summer. I think moving at the deadline has more lasting negative consequences.



The whole thing with a rebuild is that there isn't light at the end of the tunnel. It's the accumulation phase. That could go on far longer than planned, and I think that's likely.



I think if there was a fair trade being offered for Scheifele or Hellebuyck they'd have been moved by now. Teams rarely want to offer fair trade prices.

If you walk them out the door, you're at least sending the message you're serious about winning. Might not be the right message but it's not a bad message.



They're not extending Helle if they're just going to tread water.

I think there's a lot of romanticizing rebuilds on here. They suck.

They'd absolutely extend Helle to tread water, because if they extend Hellebuyck it's not a rebuild.

The Jets are a better team now than last year at the start of the season. If they trade Scheifele, depending on the return, they will be worse, ignoring any culture stuff. They will also have much better prospects coming in to the roster the following year than they did this last season or this upcoming one.

 

[tbcwpg]

They'd absolutely extend Helle to tread water, because if they extend Hellebuyck it's not a rebuild.

The Jets are a better team now than last year at the start of the season. If they trade Scheifele, depending on the return, they will be worse, ignoring any culture stuff. They will also have much better prospects coming in to the roster the following year than they did this last season or this upcoming one.

I mean would Hellebuyck even extend in that scenario. Unlikely.

 

[MardyBum]

I mean would Hellebuyck even extend in that scenario. Unlikely.

I agree, then see ya, just like Scheifele.

If he wants to win he should get his agent to wake up and realize he's not getting paid and lower his ask.

 

[Jetsfan79]

If Schiefele and Hellle do start the season it will be interesting to see how they respond to media about whether they are still willing to re-sign. Especially Helle since he's always been a straight shooter when it comes to making comments. If he says he just wants to win st TC, and then the team actually has a good year, I wonder if that would sort of set himself up to re-sign.

Here are the 2 questions I would ask Helle at training camp:

1. Your end of season comments were interpreted by some as you hinting that this group has many good invidual players but do not work as a team. Is this interpretation correct?

And 2. ( very simple question) "Do you believe in this team?

I would be very interested to hear how Helle would answer. Especially question 2. Even a political correct , diplomatic answer would be telling. Because in the past Helle would actually go out of his way to say how much he believed in the team and organization. Not sure he can tout that at TC if his mind is made up about going to greener pastures after this season.

But as usual the media will.likely be clueless and instead ask him about what areas of his game did he work on during the off season.

 

[ps241]

Looks like 16 of his 59 points came off the PP so I assume he saw a healthy does of PP1. I don’t know much about Casey but he seemed to break out a bit last season as a 24 year old. He is a pending RFA after next season with arb rights.

Season Ticket purchasers are also cratering. A competitive team after the All Star Break translates into a lot of tickets being sold to those who want to watch hockey but play a more a wait and see approach to see if the team is competitive.

My concern is last season they were committed to rolling it back, they had a good 1st half of the season, the wheels came off a bit in the second half results wise at least, we got pumped by Vegas in the first round and the reward for doing that was probably the highest fan discontent at the end of the season I have seen in 2.0 history. I am not sure the “just get in and anything can happen” strategy Is connecting with the fans?

The increasing cap means fewer teams in cap crunches that need to move useful players, and fewer reasons to take more money to play in Winnipeg.

I agree on the need to move them but moving them makes far more sense in the summer. I think moving at the deadline has more lasting negative consequences.



The whole thing with a rebuild is that there isn't light at the end of the tunnel. It's the accumulation phase. That could go on far longer than planned, and I think that's likely.



I think if there was a fair trade being offered for Scheifele or Hellebuyck they'd have been moved by now. Teams rarely want to offer fair trade prices.

If you walk them out the door, you're at least sending the message you're serious about winning. Might not be the right message but it's not a bad message.



They're not extending Helle if they're just going to tread water.

I think there's a lot of romanticizing rebuilds on here. They suck.

I agree if there was an acceptable offer they would have a deal done. It doesn’t mean there won’t be an acceptable offer at the TD. If that offer is in place then I say they pull the trigger. To me it sends a clear message we don’t walk our most prized assets out the door for free. As I said to King how did going for it last season work out with fan satisfaction? That was clearly the pitchforks coming out at the end of season, fans were furious. If the trade market is not there this summer then be patient and either extend them or Andrew Copp them at the deadline.

I agree that rebuilds don’t always work which is why I think they will try a retool first. A key part of that is getting value back for Schief and Helle, even if it’s at the deadline. Walking them out the door sends the message you went for it this season and we traded it for our future.

Nashville blew it up at the deadline last season and they had just as many points as us. The reason seemed pretty clear to me as an outside fan, Nashville had their run and peaked between 2016-2018. They hung on a while longer but their “contention era” came to in 2019. After that they degraded into a bubble team incapable of winning the cup but finishing 16th, 13th, 16th, and 18th in the NHL over the last four seasons. Just good enough to be in the playoff bubble mix but not good enough to win. To me at least they sent a clear message to the fan base that that wasn’t good enough and it was time to move on.

Hey if the Jets fans were connecting to the current approach maybe give it one more go but I think the Jets fans are sending a message to the organization that they are fatigued with “it”.

 

[surixon]

My concern is last season they were committed to rolling it back, they had a good 1st half of the season, the wheels came off a bit in the second half results wise at least, we got pumped by Vegas in the first round and the reward for doing that was probably the highest fan discontent at the end of the season I have seen in 2.0 history. I am not sure the “just get in and anything can happen” strategy Is connecting with the fans?



I agree if there was an acceptable offer they would have a deal done. It doesn’t mean there won’t be an acceptable offer at the TD. If that offer is in place then I say they pull the trigger. To me it sends a clear message we don’t walk our most prized assets out the door for free. As I said to King how did going for it last season work out with fan satisfaction? That was clearly the pitchforks coming out at the end of season, fans were furious. If the trade market is not there this summer then be patient and either extend them or Andrew Copp them at the deadline.

I agree that rebuilds don’t always work which is why I think they will try a retool first. A key part of that is getting value back for Schief and Helle, even if it’s at the deadline. Walking them out the door sends the message you went for it this season and we traded it for our future.

Nashville blew it up at the deadline last season and they had just as many points as us. The reason seemed pretty clear to me as an outside fan, Nashville had their run and peaked between 2016-2018. They hung on a while longer but their “contention era” came to in 2019. After that they degraded into a bubble team incapable of winning the cup but finishing 16th, 13th, 16th, and 18th in the NHL over the last four seasons. Just good enough to be in the playoff bubble mix but not good enough to win. To me at least they sent a clear message to the fan base that that wasn’t good enough and it was time to move on.

Hey if the Jets fans were connecting to the current approach maybe give it one more go but I think the Jets fans are sending a message to the organization that they are fatigued with “it”.

Where the fans super discontented with making the playoffs or where they angry at the last game and media day response from the players, fuelled by an angry outburst from the the head coach?


It seemed the playoffs and street parties sold out so there is clearly a hungry market for it.

Also to me the team has already made pretty significant changes in the room and on ice this offseason. So we wouldn't be running it back per say.

But I do agree that you sign or trade the players. Can't afford to lose them for nothing.

 

[ps241]

Where the fans super discontented with making the playoffs or where they angry at the last game and media day response from the players, fuelled by an angry outburst from the the head coach?


It seemed the playoffs and street parties sold out so there is clearly a hungry market for it.

Also to me the team has already made pretty significant changes in the room and on ice this offseason. So we wouldn't be running it back per say.

But I do agree that you sign or trade the players. Can't afford to lose them for nothing.

Good question

Let’s share ideas and thoughts on it. Some of my memories.

Jets come off a rough 21-22 season where coach quits on the team, replace by coach solution sucked, and the team remained plagued by rumours of toxic environment (fair or not). Stats calls out the team in the end of year presser, Scheif contemplates his future before walking it back.

Fan sentiment appears to soften as does the demand for season tickets. Never really bounced back as well as expected Post Covid. Not sure why but probably a hundred reasons.

I think some fans were hoping for more player change.

TNSE fires all the coaches or invited them to reapply or whatever the hell that was.

After missing out on Trotz we settle for Bones and an all new coaching staff and team wise we “run it back”

I think fans were hoping for the best. Team comes out of the blocks really nicely for the first half of the Season. Not sure how it translated to ticket sales.

I think at this snap shot in time most people were pleased with the results and the new coach seemed to have their ear.

January our team struggled to get points and Whilee has broken this down well. Cold goaltending, some PDO, injuries, stone cold Power Play. It tends to look worse than it is but there is a feeling the team has tuned the coach out a bit possibly.

TNSE decides to launch their brain dead, passive aggressive, vailed threat, marketing program which shows how completely out of touch they are with customers yet again.

Team rallies a bit to get in the playoffs and the fans are happy. Playoffs always bring hope.

They play ok against Vegas given how injured they were but the recurring theme rears it’s ugly head. When it comes to elimination games dating back as far as 2018 we look like we give up too easily (Vegas, Blues, Calgary, Montreal, Vegas). Have we ever won when facing elimination?

Fans were furious with the game 5 no show. Coach melts down, has to walk it back, players get triggered by bones and further shat their loons blaming the coach and pissing the fans off more. Chevy does the don’t worry be happy end of season presser and media turns on him.

Thankfully Chipman laid low.

I think that set up this off season where PLD, Mark, Connor, and Blake all want fresh starts.

I like the PLD trade, I feel good about the Blake situation. TBD on Scheif and Helle.

Not sure how ticket sales will be this season but the fans needed a good long off season.

 

[Whileee]

Where the fans super discontented with making the playoffs or where they angry at the last game and media day response from the players, fuelled by an angry outburst from the the head coach?


It seemed the playoffs and street parties sold out so there is clearly a hungry market for it.

Also to me the team has already made pretty significant changes in the room and on ice this offseason. So we wouldn't be running it back per say.

But I do agree that you sign or trade the players. Can't afford to lose them for nothing.

To be honest, a lot of fans I know realized that the Jets' playoff chances were curtailed by serious injuries to their best D, best C, and best W. The effort of the team in game 5 was disappointing, but it's actually not that uncommon in a close-out game when a winning team is on a roll and gets an early lead. The Panthers were absolutely demolished in game 5, and that was in a Cup final. Most pundits could see they were outmatched, especially with Tkachuk out and a few other injuries.

My view remains that the Jets were actually improving as the season progressed in key areas, as illustrated by shot metrics. Their notable gaps were in finishing and the PP, which caused an improbable slump (considering the shot metrics). They headed into the playoffs on a heater, and overwhelmed Vegas in game 1. But lacking Ehlers, then losing Morrissey and Scheifele left them without the talent to match a very deep Vegas team.

Below is a reminder of how the Jets finished the season 5v5. They were a top team in xG% and when their scorers rebounded from slumps they were a deep and tough team to beat.

 

[surixon]

Good question

Let’s share ideas and thoughts on it. Some of my memories.

Jets come off a rough 21-22 season where coach quits on the team, replace by coach solution sucked, and the team remained plagued by rumours of toxic environment (fair or not). Stats calls out the team in the end of year presser, Scheif contemplates his future before walking it back.

Fan sentiment appears to soften as does the demand for season tickets. Never really bounced back as well as expected Post Covid. Not sure why but probably a hundred reasons.

I think some fans were hoping for more player change.

TNSE fires all the coaches or invited them to reapply or whatever the hell that was.

After missing out on Trotz we settle for Bones and an all new coaching staff and team wise we “run it back”

I think fans were hoping for the best. Team comes out of the blocks really nicely for the first half of the Season. Not sure how it translated to ticket sales.

I think at this snap shot in time most people were pleased with the results and the new coach seemed to have their ear.

January our team struggled to get points and Whilee has broken this down well. Cold goaltending, some PDO, injuries, stone cold Power Play. It tends to look worse than it is but there is a feeling the team has tuned the coach out a bit possibly.

TNSE decides to launch their brain dead, passive aggressive, vailed threat, marketing program which shows how completely out of touch they are with customers yet again.

Team rallies a bit to get in the playoffs and the fans are happy. Playoffs always bring hope.

They play ok against Vegas given how injured they were but the recurring theme rears it’s ugly head. When it comes to elimination games dating back as far as 2018 we look like we give up too easily (Vegas, Blues, Calgary, Montreal, Vegas). Have we ever won when facing elimination?

Fans were furious with the game 5 no show. Coach melts down, has to walk it back, players get triggered by bones and further shat their loons p***yng the fans off more. Chevy does the font worry be happy end of season presser and media turns on him.

Thankfully Chipman laid low.

I think that set up this off season where PLD, Mark, Connor, and Blake all want fresh starts.

I like the PLD trade, I feel good about the Blake situation. TBD on Scheif and Helle.

Not sure how ticket sales will be this season but the fans needed a good long off season.

All good points. I don't disagree with much of what you have to say.

I think the org has needed to do some soul searching and hopefully they've started to do it.

As far as player moves it seems fans always want to see teams purged but in reality it rarely happens in this league. Most teams only move on from core players when forced.

The only two that have done so recently are Nashville and Minnesota and it cost both millions in dead cap space.

Anyhow with Mark and Helle it seems many teams are going into the year with players with expiring deals. St. Louis did it with O'Reilly and Tarasenko last year for instance. It won't be the end of the world if we do so with Mark and Helle this year. I'm sure both will garner interest at some points last year.

It seemed the rookie camp was a big hit with the fans. Perhaps one of the big things COVID hurt was fan/player engagement and interaction. Perhaps one thing the org can do is have more events like this. Open camp up more to the fans this fall.

 

[surixon]

To be honest, a lot of fans I know realized that the Jets' playoff chances were curtailed by serious injuries to their best D, best C, and best W. The effort of the team in game 5 was disappointing, but it's actually not that uncommon in a close-out game when a winning team is on a roll and gets an early lead. The Panthers were absolutely demolished in game 5, and that was in a Cup final. Most pundits could see they were outmatched, especially with Tkachuk out and a few other injuries.

My view remains that the Jets were actually improving as the season progressed in key areas, as illustrated by shot metrics. Their notable gaps were in finishing and the PP, which caused an improbable slump (considering the shot metrics). They headed into the playoffs on a heater, and overwhelmed Vegas in game 1. But lacking Ehlers, then losing Morrissey and Scheifele left them without the talent to match a very deep Vegas team.

Below is a reminder of how the Jets finished the season 5v5. They were a top team in xG% and when their scorers rebounded from slumps they were a deep and tough team to beat.

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Lauer being out for his back really impacted the PP and likely some of the teams offensive schemes.

I think the team as constructed right now is a clear playoff team that can win a round or two if things break right.

Not sold on Bones as being modern enough in his approach which is why I'd like to see him replaced in a year with Lauer who has a strong history of good modern thinking and a lot of experience with young players.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

I'm getting this weird feeling both sign extensions before camp. To be honest I hope my weird feeling is correct, because mark is our 1 center and helle is our franchise goalie and you can't usually replace that with trades.

I actually think replacing helle tho would be easier than replacing mark. You can do a tandem goaltender schedule and prob make it work but u can't replace your 1 center and his 42 goals but I'm good with 50 for helle 30 for Bro split if helle signs

 

[scelaton]

Good question

Let’s share ideas and thoughts on it. Some of my memories.

Jets come off a rough 21-22 season where coach quits on the team, replace by coach solution sucked, and the team remained plagued by rumours of toxic environment (fair or not). Stats calls out the team in the end of year presser, Scheif contemplates his future before walking it back.

Fan sentiment appears to soften as does the demand for season tickets. Never really bounced back as well as expected Post Covid. Not sure why but probably a hundred reasons.

I think some fans were hoping for more player change.

TNSE fires all the coaches or invited them to reapply or whatever the hell that was.

After missing out on Trotz we settle for Bones and an all new coaching staff and team wise we “run it back”

I think fans were hoping for the best. Team comes out of the blocks really nicely for the first half of the Season. Not sure how it translated to ticket sales.

I think at this snap shot in time most people were pleased with the results and the new coach seemed to have their ear.

January our team struggled to get points and Whilee has broken this down well. Cold goaltending, some PDO, injuries, stone cold Power Play. It tends to look worse than it is but there is a feeling the team has tuned the coach out a bit possibly.

TNSE decides to launch their brain dead, passive aggressive, vailed threat, marketing program which shows how completely out of touch they are with customers yet again.

Team rallies a bit to get in the playoffs and the fans are happy. Playoffs always bring hope.

They play ok against Vegas given how injured they were but the recurring theme rears it’s ugly head. When it comes to elimination games dating back as far as 2018 we look like we give up too easily (Vegas, Blues, Calgary, Montreal, Vegas). Have we ever won when facing elimination?

Fans were furious with the game 5 no show. Coach melts down, has to walk it back, players get triggered by bones and further shat their loons blaming the coach and pissing the fans off more. Chevy does the don’t worry be happy end of season presser and media turns on him.

Thankfully Chipman laid low.

I think that set up this off season where PLD, Mark, Connor, and Blake all want fresh starts.

I like the PLD trade, I feel good about the Blake situation. TBD on Scheif and Helle.

Not sure how ticket sales will be this season but the fans needed a good long off season.

Nice post, which captures the general sentiments of the fans and key players. You used the word "triggered" and it also applies to the fan base. It is not just game 5 of 2023 that is behind the fan reaction, but is the cumulative effect of past "trauma'. Statistical explanations are not going to make up for that loss of faith in the team, as previously constructed and managed.

Through work, I have access to a lot of tickets, which I would sell to colleagues or offer to family and friends. This past season, I could barely give them away and that has been building for some time now. It's not just the Jets point totals or on-ice performance. There has been a more fundamental loss of interest/connection with the team leadership, from Scheifele and Wheeler right on up to ownership.

Change has needed to happen for a number of years and has finally started. Not sure where it ends because of the difficult trade market for Scheif and Helle. But at least Chipman and Co seem to realize they need a Plan B, cuz Plan A is over.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

I think their rules on covid triggered a portion of their paying fanbase but I think it's a very very tiny portion but I do think there are ppl who refuse to go there now because of their covid rules eventho they don't exist anymore really. I think ppl also need to understand the online fan is hardcore, the majority don't care. If the majority were down on the team its cuz of what they read in papers online or hear from friends and ofcourse losing.

 

[ps241]

All good points. I don't disagree with much of what you have to say.

I think the org has needed to do some soul searching and hopefully they've started to do it.

As far as player moves it seems fans always want to see teams purged but in reality it rarely happens in this league. Most teams only move on from core players when forced.

The only two that have done so recently are Nashville and Minnesota and it cost both millions in dead cap space.

Anyhow with Mark and Helle it seems many teams are going into the year with players with expiring deals. St. Louis did it with O'Reilly and Tarasenko last year for instance. It won't be the end of the world if we do so with Mark and Helle this year. I'm sure both will garner interest at some points last year.

It seemed the rookie camp was a big hit with the fans. Perhaps one of the big things COVID hurt was fan/player engagement and interaction. Perhaps one thing the org can do is have more events like this. Open camp up more to the fans this fall.

Nice post.

I think there is always the fire everyone knee jerk reaction when a team fails and I agree the league doesn’t role that way. I do think we are at a changing of the guard moment in Winnipeg “IF” Scheif and Helle stick to their guns.

Good point on St. Louis I wonder if they would have own rented those two if the team had performed better? I love their draft this past season. That being said they picked up pretty much picks only once they close to the TD and I’m still not sold TNSE don’t want NHL ready assets back. How ever beggars can’t be choosers.

The rookie camp was fantastic PR. Jets have drafted some kids who are naturally outgoing leaders. At the end of the day winning drives results but it’s good to have likeable prospects in the pipeline.

 

[JetsFan815]

Season Ticket purchasers are also cratering. A competitive team after the All Star Break translates into a lot of tickets being sold to those who want to watch hockey but play a more a wait and see approach to see if the team is competitive.

So what do you propose? Surely giving the fans 20 additional games of these 2 and then losing them for nothing next summer isn't going to inspire much fan confidence either?

 

[Whileee]

I think their rules on covid triggered a portion of their paying fanbase but I think it's a very very tiny portion but I do think there are ppl who refuse to go there now because of their covid rules eventho they don't exist anymore really. I think ppl also need to understand the online fan is hardcore, the majority don't care. If the majority were down on the team its cuz of what they read in papers online or hear from friends and ofcourse losing.

The Jets conducted surveys of season ticket holders regarding Covid policies, and reacted accordingly. I was clear that if they catered to the anti-vax / anti-mask minority, they would lose my business. Evidently, that was a majority view at that time

I think you make a good point: the vast majority of ticket-buying and more casual fans are not immersed in social media discussions about the Jets, but are influenced by the local papers. In my family / social circles, I've seen a bit of a backlash against local reporters that have been very negative, especially about 55 and 26. I think that explains some of the over-the-top positivity about the Development Camp vibe.

I think it's also likely that some of the most vociferous critics in social media aren't buying many tickets, regardless.

 

[MelikeJets]

I'm getting this weird feeling both sign extensions before camp. To be honest I hope my weird feeling is correct, because mark is our 1 center and helle is our franchise goalie and you can't usually replace that with trades.

I actually think replacing helle tho would be easier than replacing mark. You can do a tandem goaltender schedule and prob make it work but u can't replace your 1 center and his 42 goals but I'm good with 50 for helle 30 for Bro split if helle signs

IMO 55 has to go. I don't want his attitude to rub off on the next young crop of players. Bones "eye roll" about Shief confirmed it for me... he's a me first guy. And I used to be a huge fan of his. I would rather he scored 30 goals/ 70 or so points but played a complete game. He is selfish....again my thoughts only.

 

[surixon]

The Jets conducted surveys of season ticket holders regarding Covid policies, and reacted accordingly. I was clear that if they catered to the anti-vax / anti-mask minority, they would lose my business. Evidently, that was a majority view at that time

I think you make a good point: the vast majority of ticket-buying and more casual fans are not immersed in social media discussions about the Jets, but are influenced by the local papers. In my family / social circles, I've seen a bit of a backlash against local reporters that have been very negative, especially about 55 and 26. I think that explains some of the over-the-top positivity about the Development Camp vibe.

I think it's also likely that some of the most vociferous critics in social media aren't buying many tickets, regardless.

They specifically mentioned they had to choose which faction to support during COVID and that a good chunk of the drop in season tickets was from non vaccinated seat holders not renewing. That is what was said at the CPA session I attended.

They would have lost far more had they not made the decision they did though.