Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[tbcwpg]

As the season progressed he got more and more 20+ minute games

Kovacevic had 12 games over 20 minutes. We can bump it to 13 since the next one was 19:57.

Of those games, 5 were in March and April. 4 of those 5 were the final 4 games of the season. The 5th last game of the year was 14:04. Otherwise, the remaining 8 games of 20+ minutes were spread through November to Februrary.

What really happened is they gave him a bunch of ice time when they were getting close to maybe having a good shot at 1st overall, but otherwise his ice time fluctuated based on injuries and how well he was playing that night. He did ok on a bad defensive team. Also, if you look at the game logs for those last games of the year, younger D were getting more ice time while the vets got less. Matheson and Savard led the team in TOI for the season but played a season low 13 and 12 minutes in the last game of the year, coincidentally Kovacevic had his highest TOI in the final game against Boston.

 

[Thechozen1]

I think Buffalo and NJ stand and if either or both trip on the starting line they may circle back to Helle.

LA would likely love to add Helle but they are already over the cap so it's unlikely they could make a deal for him.

Detroit seems like it's rebuilding but then Yzerman went out and spend like $20m on UFA's so not sure where they land, perhaps looking to move them all at the deadline for assets? Who knows?

Oilers are another team that would love Helle but they don't really have any interesting assets we would want that they would be willing to part with. Holloway maybe.

Yeah there’s not much to rave about in the Oilers system, but I am intrigued by Matvei Petrov.

If a deal was Holloway, Petrov and a 1st, I might be convinced. At a glance though it does seem subpar. Having Halloway break out into a 20-20 player would be needed.

 

[KingBogo]

The differentiator for me is Capos agility and movement. I was really impressed with his offensive blueline work and ability to get down the walls.

If Cappo was a Jets draft pick this place would be losing their shit over the lack of opportunity he has been given. He is the same age as Kovy with better draft pedigree. He is also a better skater and puck distributor.

 

[Jet]

If Cappo was a Jets draft pick this place would be losing their shit over the lack of opportunity he has been given. He is the same age as Kovy with better draft pedigree. He is also a better skater and puck distributor.

Exactly. He does have opportunity to shore up his d zone coverage but he's really good at getting back into the play when he moves up the ice. I feel like he just needs some consistent reps.

 

[scelaton]

If Cappo was a Jets draft pick this place would be losing their shit over the lack of opportunity he has been given. He is the same age as Kovy with better draft pedigree. He is also a better skater and puck distributor.

Yes.
The best way to think of this is imagining Capo was actually scouted by the Jets, but grabbed by the Coyotes first. As a 63rd overall pick he'd have been a late second-rounder in today's NHL.

There is a host of Jets potential draft picks that fall to other teams, whose careers they follow with interest and opportunism.

 

[BoneDocUK]

I hope you're right. I definitely don't see him as being a tough defenseman to play against the NHL level. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Chisholm isn't small, doesn't shy away from contact and he has terrific skating that helps him escape pressure reliably against top-end AHL competition.

When he's been up with the Jets he seems to have followed the Samberg Formula and played a generally safe, quiet game that didn't draw much attention either way -- which drives fans to despair but likely soothes coaches.

I really think that player reps help drive narratives here -- Samberg as safe and boring until he actually started making plays; Chisholm as a small PMD when he's actually much closer to Samberg in a being a sold all-rounder; Heinola as a tiny, contact-shy riverboat gambler when he's actually much more of a quick transition D who sees lanes and uses positioning and anticipation to prevent chances and dominate possession.

Stan is... Stan. No idea why the Jets would bother to resign him except for the Saving Face and Scared to Lose factors. I agree with @Jet that Capo is already much the better D and a much safer choice as a 7/8D.

I also agree with @ps241 that any tie goes to the vet (is Big Stan a vet now?) and with @Maukkis that Heinola's waiver status likely means he languishes in the minors with occasional respite for another year until he's packaged in a trade. Chisholm no idea what they're thinking, but no way he clears waivers, IMO.

It's a mess. It's largely Chevy's mess. He can't wait for another TC battle with a predetermined result, IMO. So were I Chevy I'd:

- Lose Stan
- Listen to offers on everyone else who isn't DD or JMo
- Slot in Chisholm as 6/7D
- Prepare Ville and Capo as injury replacements
- Emphasize team D so gaps aren't the length of a whole zone or two

Also, the issue with letting Kova walk isn't a question of whether or not he might outplay Capo over a whole season -- it's that he plays a position of need as a big, safe, mobile RHD and Capo doesn't. He's easily a 3rd-pairing RHD on a team like the Jets, and Capo isn't. He brings size, skating, smarts and a bit of snarl to a team that has been chasing those things for ages. He may never be nothing more than a solid 6-7 RHD, but he could have been that for the Jets at a reasonable cost, at a time when they needed him.

And they let him walk. For nothing. That's the issue.

 

[Whileee]

Chisholm isn't a small dmen. He's 6"1 and also plays with tenacity. He's not a one dimensional guy. He's a lot like Mathesen as a dmen and Mathesen is a good top 4 guy.

I see Chisholm as a Vince Dunn or Devon Toews type of D, as a ceiling. Another comparable closer to home: Schmidt, who has some very good seasons earlier in his career. I think he could be a useful D in a 4-6 role, especially if he can play on the R side (like Schmidt).

Samberg is trending as a solid shut-down LHD who can anchor a 2nd pair defensively, and looks like a good replacement for Dillon in a 4-5 LHD role.

I have hopes that Salomonsson can become a really good 2nd pair RHD, maybe even 1st pair.

The challenge for the Jets is how to sequence prospects into the lineup. With some talent in the pipeline that will be ready soon, they'll need to make some room.

Looking ahead...

I think Samberg slots in for Dillon as a 2nd pair shutdown D.

Chisholm might be a good replacement for Schmidt as a mobile transition focused D if he can flip to RD.

Heinola might fit in as a mobile LD on the 3rd pair, with PP usage. It leaves a future hole on RD, maybe on the top pairing.

In the near term, I think it means that Stanley definitely needs to be traded, and Chisholm worked into the NHL roster.

Dillon seems like a good candidate for a TDL trade.

Schmidt would be another trade or buy-out candidate by next summer.

Heinola seems either destined for a trade, or bouncing between the Moose and Jets next season.

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

Anyone ever hear of this site before? Linking us to Tatar. NHL Rumors: Tomas Tatar to Winnipeg Jets Heating Up


If we move a guy like Dillon we'd have plenty of capspace for it, and probably have our deepest top 12 since our 2018 run

Iafallo - Scheifele - Ehlers
Connor - Perfetti - Vilardi
Tatar - Names - Nino
Barron - Lowry - Kupari

 

[surixon]

I see Chisholm as a Vince Dunn or Devon Toews type of D, as a ceiling. Another comparable closer to home: Schmidt, who has some very good seasons earlier in his career. I think he could be a useful D in a 4-6 role, especially if he can play on the R side (like Schmidt).

Samberg is trending as a solid shut-down LHD who can anchor a 2nd pair defensively, and looks like a good replacement for Dillon in a 4-5 LHD role.

I have hopes that Salomonsson can become a really good 2nd pair RHD, maybe even 1st pair.

The challenge for the Jets is how to sequence prospects into the lineup. With some talent in the pipeline that will be ready soon, they'll need to make some room.

Looking ahead...

I think Samberg slots in for Dillon as a 2nd pair shutdown D.

Chisholm might be a good replacement for Schmidt as a mobile transition focused D if he can flip to RD.

Heinola might fit in as a mobile LD on the 3rd pair, with PP usage. It leaves a future hole on RD, maybe on the top pairing.

In the near term, I think it means that Stanley definitely needs to be traded, and Chisholm worked into the NHL roster.

Dillon seems like a good candidate for a TDL trade.

Schmidt would be another trade or buy-out candidate by next summer.

Heinola seems either destined for a trade, or bouncing between the Moose and Jets next season.

Yeah the Schmidt comp isn't a bad one either. But I agree that I also think he could be a real useful 4-6 puck moving dmen that won't hurt you defensively.

Yeah it will be interesting to see how they transition players in. If we keep Mark we are going to need to shed some cap on our dcore. Especially given Vilardi will need a contract and Perfetti comes due next year.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Look at the D corps the Habs had suiting up the last part of the season.

Hence the 'thrown to the wolves' comment - but he still played top minutes and his fancy stats should have been a lot worse than they were

Anyone ever hear of this site before? Linking us to Tatar. NHL Rumors: Tomas Tatar to Winnipeg Jets Heating Up


If we move a guy like Dillon we'd have plenty of capspace for it, and probably have our deepest top 12 since our 2018 run

Iafallo - Scheifele - Ehlers
Connor - Perfetti - Vilardi
Tatar - Names - Nino
Barron - Lowry - Kupari

Its not a good source... but I have heard Tatar chat about Winnipeg - mostly that he'd be a good fit as opposed to any smoke behind the rumours

 

[surixon]

Hence the 'thrown to the wolves' comment - but he still played top minutes and his fancy stats should have been a lot worse than they were


Its not a good source... but I have heard Tatar chat about Winnipeg - mostly that he'd be a good fit as opposed to any smoke behind the rumours

Not sure we will have the cap room to add him unless an expensive dmen is on the way out.

 

[Whileee]

Yeah the Schmidt comp isn't a bad one either. But I agree that I also think he could be a real useful 4-6 puck moving dmen that won't hurt you defensively.

Yeah it will be interesting to see how they transition players in. If we keep Mark we are going to need to shed some cap on our dcore. Especially given Vilardi will need a contract and Perfetti comes due next year.

Yes, if the Jets keep Scheifele and/or Hellebuyck, then shedding salary on D goes from being a preference to a requirement, and having some young D ready to step in becomes even more important.

In the coming years, I could see something like this emerging...

Morrissey - Vet D (DeMelo?)
Samberg - Salomonsson
Chisholm - Heinola

That's a bit undersized, considering how the NHL seems to be trending. It raises the possibility that the Jets will continue to look for a bigger D to play on the top or 3rd pair. Very different value propositions, but it's an area that the Jets are likely going to look to strengthen as the roster "evolves".

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Not sure we will have the cap room to add him unless an expensive dmen is on the way out.

What do you think we sign Vilardi at? Has to be 4.5-5m imo

 

[surixon]

What do you think we sign Vilardi at? Has to be 4.5-5m imo

I have Vilardi anywhere from 3 to 5.5 million depending on how long he signs for. We only have 7 million left. Factor in Barron likely gets a similar type bridge to Snerg and we don't have much room left.

Yes, if the Jets keep Scheifele and/or Hellebuyck, then shedding salary on D goes from being a preference to a requirement, and having some young D ready to step in becomes even more important.

In the coming years, I could see something like this emerging...

Morrissey - Vet D (DeMelo?)
Samberg - Salomonsson
Chisholm - Heinola

That's a bit undersized, considering how the NHL seems to be trending. It raises the possibility that the Jets will continue to look for a bigger D to play on the top or 3rd pair. Very different value propositions, but it's an area that the Jets are likely going to look to strengthen as the roster "evolves".

Yup a bit undersized but very mobile and very skilled. We may have to get another dmen like Snerg to play with JoMo to add some size and balance. But with that dcore you'd probably need to move to a more new age offensive scheme.

Especially when you throw in alm the skill we have upfront in the system. It's not going to be a trench team.

 

[Whileee]

I have Vilardi anywhere from 3 to 5.5 million depending on how long he signs for. We only have 7 million left. Factor in Barron likely gets a similar type bridge to Snerg and we don't have much room left.



Yup a bit undersized but very mobile and very skilled. We may have to get another dmen like Snerg to play with JoMo to add some size and balance. But with that dcore you'd probably need to move to a more new age offensive scheme.

Especially when you throw in alm the skill we have upfront in the system. It's not going to be a trench team.

Don't disagree, though there are very few top teams that have such a small / offense oriented D. Even the Avs' Cup team had E Johnson and Manson on RD. I think the Jets likely need to find another big D that can log a lot of minutes and PK, at some point. Basically, a Dillon replacement, but preferably higher-end. Might need to use some of their trade return from Scheifele and/or Hellebuyck to get that.

 

[10Ducky10]

Vilardi gets anywhere from 2.5m to 6m depending on term. I'd guess 2 x 3.25m.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

I have Vilardi anywhere from 3 to 5.5 million depending on how long he signs for. We only have 7 million left. Factor in Barron likely gets a similar type bridge to Snerg and we don't have much room left.

Capfriendly is saying 8.5m (not sure if that includes Perfetti though)

So Vilardi 3.9m two years (I think we have one more year of control after that)
Barron 2.2 two years
Kupari 1.2 two years
Heinola 1 - last year of entry level
Stan traded to flyers for a pick

 

[10Ducky10]

Capfriendly is saying 8.5m (not sure if that includes Perfetti though)

So Vilardi 3.9m two years (I think we have one more year of control after that)
Barron 2.2 two years
Kupari 1.2 two years
Heinola 1 - last year of entry level
Stan traded to flyers for a pick

Vilardi has 4 years to go.

 

[Mathil8]

Capfriendly is saying 8.5m (not sure if that includes Perfetti though)

So Vilardi 3.9m two years (I think we have one more year of control after that)
Barron 2.2 two years
Kupari 1.2 two years
Heinola 1 - last year of entry level
Stan traded to flyers for a pick

I doubt Barron will make over 2 on a bridge.

 

[DRW204]

i think you try and lock vilardi long-term as much as possible. i want to say there's a pretty high chance he's a 30g-60+ pt top-6er this year (essentially around PLD numbers who just got 8.5M). whether it be C or Wing not sure. but he had brutal line-mate success last year, i think given he'll for sure be a top-6er with v little chance of being downgraded, & with some combo of ehlers, connor, etc next to him. he should see some better scoring success from linemates (given his individual scoring holds too).

from his side, w/ an expected cap-going up next year, and likely a consistent top-6 role - possibly at C - he's poised to have a great year. not sure if you want to lock yourself into a subdued AAV prior to the potential break-out.

 

[Maukkis]

[...]
I also agree with @ps241 that any tie goes to the vet (is Big Stan a vet now?) and with @Maukkis that Heinola's waiver status likely means he languishes in the minors with occasional respite for another year until he's packaged in a trade. Chisholm no idea what they're thinking, but no way he clears waivers, IMO.

It's a mess. It's largely Chevy's mess. He can't wait for another TC battle with a predetermined result, IMO. So were I Chevy I'd:

- Lose Stan
- Listen to offers on everyone else who isn't DD or JMo
- Slot in Chisholm as 6/7D
- Prepare Ville and Capo as injury replacements
- Emphasize team D so gaps aren't the length of a whole zone or two

Two options, IMO.

1) There is a succession plan in place that brings Heinola into the regular lineup by October 2024, regardless of what happens with the other defensemen in the organisation.
2) They don't see Heinola as a contributor going forward for whatever reason, and he is traded during the upcoming season.

Any other scenario is a downright failure from the management. You can (and probably have to) have Ville in the A due to waiver flexibility, but f*** me, they cannot possibly stash him there and wake up in a year to realise that he's in the exact same position as Chisholm is now: after years of development, he's an unknown on the NHL stage and we will have to find out the hard way. The way they handled Kovacevic and Gawanke is worrying; to now repeat the same mistakes with two better prospects is unacceptable.

(Also, I don't care if anyone thinks that Kova and Gawa weren't good enough. The point is, we don't f***ing know, we never got to see them in action.)

 

[Guffman]

I think Buffalo and NJ stand and if either or both trip on the starting line they may circle back to Helle.

LA would likely love to add Helle but they are already over the cap so it's unlikely they could make a deal for him.

Detroit seems like it's rebuilding but then Yzerman went out and spend like $20m on UFA's so not sure where they land, perhaps looking to move them all at the deadline for assets? Who knows?

Oilers are another team that would love Helle but they don't really have any interesting assets we would want that they would be willing to part with. Holloway maybe.

I think Detroit is trying to help their young players by trying to create a winning culture via these UFA signings. I can’t see Detroit wanting to give up assets for Hellebuyck.

LA could swing a 50% retained Hellebuyck (would require trading off Arvidsson). However, it looks like they are taking the Vegas approach and hoping one of the three goalies on their roster has an up year.

I guess Edmonton has Holloway and Bourgault. What if we take on Campbell’s contract and grab a few young assets/1st round pick etc. I’d be willing to go Campbell/Brossoit as our tenders.

Im still calling Treiliving as the dark horse for Helle...

Helle (50% retained), Stanley for Knies, Liljegren

Yeah, good thought. I wouldn’t discount the Leafs from making a play here.

 

[Jetsfan79]

i think you try and lock vilardi long-term as much as possible. i want to say there's a pretty high chance he's a 30g-60+ pt top-6er this year (essentially around PLD numbers who just got 8.5M). whether it be C or Wing not sure. but he had brutal line-mate success last year, i think given he'll for sure be a top-6er with v little chance of being downgraded, & with some combo of ehlers, connor, etc next to him. he should see some better scoring success from linemates (given his individual scoring holds too).

from his side, w/ an expected cap-going up next year, and likely a consistent top-6 role - possibly at C - he's poised to have a great year. not sure if you want to lock yourself into a subdued AAV prior to the potential break-out.

I pretty much agree with you. The only thing that's making me second guess going longterm is the injury concerns.

 

[ecolad]

Two options, IMO.

1) There is a succession plan in place that brings Heinola into the regular lineup by October 2024, regardless of what happens with the other defensemen in the organisation.
2) They don't see Heinola as a contributor going forward for whatever reason, and he is traded during the upcoming season.

Any other scenario is a downright failure from the management. You can (and probably have to) have Ville in the A due to waiver flexibility, but f*** me, they cannot possibly stash him there and wake up in a year to realise that he's in the exact same position as Chisholm is now: after years of development, he's an unknown on the NHL stage and we will have to find out the hard way. The way they handled Kovacevic and Gawanke is worrying; to now repeat the same mistakes with two better prospects is unacceptable.

(Also, I don't care if anyone thinks that Kova and Gawa weren't good enough. The point is, we don't f***ing know, we never got to see them in action.)

Waiting for someone to jump in and say - "Naah, we don`t need to actually see them in action on the big club. We believe that players develop fully in the AHL and we`re good enough to judge whether they will make it or not just by watching them while they play there".

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

I doubt Barron will make over 2 on a bridge.

You're likely right... but I'd rather make Barron feel valued rather than drag out a 1m bridge and he breaks out then leaves...

That being said if the 1-1.2 allows us 4.5 for Vilardi then do it