Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

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scouts and coaches will always big up their guys. you ever hear a coach of a player describe on of their own as a low character guy? point is i think HFJets need to temper their coronation of prospects prior to even playing an nhl game.

All you had to do was watch the interviews with him. I've never seen anyone more excited to be drafted by us. I think this is a case of an agent getting into a players head and telling them they are to good to be roadblocked by the AHL.
 

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This never happens in the NFL. If everyone is going the college route change the draft age to 22 and then they are forced to sign.

They'll never change the draft age. Last time they tried they got sued.

The only way to avoid this is to stop drafting Americans who choose NCAA route. Which honestly might not be a bad idea.
 

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What amuses me is that this is nothing you couldn't have foreseen years in advance. A Jets prospect suddenly figuring out that perhaps the org that doesn't give its prospects a fair shot isn't the org they should stay with - this was bound to happen. These prospects talk to each other, and if they know better, they probably don't want their only shot at a NHL career to be hindered in such a fashion. Don't act like people didn't warn you even on these boards.

That said, our top prospect doing this would be uncharacteristic. For how shit we are with young players, our top prospects have been the one group getting mostly fair treatment. Something must have gone spectacularly wrong here, and I'm curious as to what it is.

IF this is real.

Something had to have gone very wrong when discussing whether he would sign after this season. Who knows for sure what that was?

If Chevy is really considering trading McG then he needs to take this as an opportunity to exchange a BPA for an equal value player who fits a need. Short term we need RHD. Just slightly longer term we need top 6 C.
 

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IF this is real.

Something had to have gone very wrong when discussing whether he would sign after this season. Who knows for sure what that was?

If Chevy is really considering trading McG then he needs to take this as an opportunity to exchange a BPA for an equal value player who fits a need. Short term we need RHD. Just slightly longer term we need top 6 C.

Turning McG into a RHD might not be a bad idea.

Whose all out there right now?
 

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The key to tanking your way to success seems to be landing a generational (or semi/pseudo generational) player like McDavid, Mackinnon, Crosby, Toews, etc. Doesn't hurt to get two of them (Drai, Malkin, Kane)

The issues become:

1. Being bad enough to get high lottery odds
2. Winning the lottery
3. Not f***ing up the pick/having a good looking pick bust

Seems like a lot can go wrong during the process

Yes. A lot can go wrong. But that applies to any plan or strategy.
 

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so perfetti gets two assists in 23 games and it's his lines fault. Okey dokey...

We had plenty of players have massive slumps. Nino went the last 16 without a goal and only put up 12 points the entire second half of the year. Where was his benching?

Our coach elected to pick on the young player when plenty of other players were also struggling to produce.

Other teams like the Canes take a very different approach. Jarvis last year had a stretch just as bad as Cole with 1 goal and 3 points in 23 games. They stuck with him in the top 6 and he rewarded them with a strong playoffs and a big breakout year this year.
 

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Yes. A lot can go wrong. But that applies to any plan or strategy.

Well the Oilers were panned as a team where a scorched earth rebuild doesn't work. Here they are in the Cup finals. Avs scorched earth and were bad for a long time and then they won a Cup. Washington and Pittsburgh both went scorched earth before drafted their generational stars. Chicago was bad for decades before getting their core and winning Cups.

It doesn't work until it does.
 

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Yeah that's the kicker. It's really hard to gauge where McGroarty is and what that value looks like on the trade floor. He's likely ready to step into some sort of NHL role, with some growing pains, but he's ready. Is that value a 4th overall pick?
Honestly, probably not. That said, Columbus probably isn't in a position to wait much longer, so with an add from us, I think they could be convinced to pull the trigger. Columbus also has a couple of Michigan kids in their roster (Fantilli, Brindley, Johnson), so I'd imagine McG would love the opportunity to be re-united with his college teammates.

IF this is real.

Something had to have gone very wrong when discussing whether he would sign after this season. Who knows for sure what that was?

If Chevy is really considering trading McG then he needs to take this as an opportunity to exchange a BPA for an equal value player who fits a need. Short term we need RHD. Just slightly longer term we need top 6 C.
It could be whatever, but I mightily struggle to see any other alternatives than us refusing to guarantee an NHL spot next year. What else could make sense, given what we've seen from McG and our organisation handling their darling prospects in the past?
 

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Well the Oilers were panned as a team where a scorched earth rebuild doesn't work. Here they are in the Cup finals. Avs scorched earth and were bad for a long time and then they won a Cup. Washington and Pittsburgh both went scorched earth before drafted their generational stars. Chicago was bad for decades before getting their core and winning Cups.

It doesn't work until it does.

You need to also have good management that can properly augment the team as they start to ascend. We saw that for LA, Chicago, and Pittsburgh.
 
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Turning McG into a RHD might not be a bad idea.

Whose all out there right now?

Jiricek and Nemec are from the same draft class as McG. Both drafted higher but neither has really shown any more potential than Rutger has. Give them a little plus for playing a premium position. But McG could be converted to C.

We could also take a LHD. A strong LHD on each pair is one way to go. I would prefer a RHD.

C is also a possibility.
 

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Everyone seems to be assuming that this is because McGroarty wouldn't sign. I think it's just as plausible that the Jets have been looking at trading McGroarty to restructure their roster, and that's why they didn't sign him. It would have been bad PR and poor form to sign him, go through all the positive vibes and hype, and trade him a few months later.
 

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You need to also have good management that can properly augment the team as they start to ascend. We saw that for LA, Chicago, and Pittsburgh.

Yeah LA and Chicago had the big market thing going for them. So it was easier to augment.

Pitts and Edmonton have elite generational superstars so the augmenting was slightly easier with them there but still tough.

Colorado made some savy trades and signings to get where they were.
 

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McGroarty + for Chabot? I think he could be the piece that tips the scales in a trade for a top Dman
I put it on the main boards, but the guy I wonder about is Cole Sillinger on the Jackets...With Jenner and Fantilli now, he is probably a 3C, but does he have 2C potential? I can't see the Jets being stuck with some sort of combination of either Perfetti or Namestnikov as 2C, and Brad Lambert is still awfully young to expect him to be able to compete with some of the elite centres in the West, with no NHL experience.

If you keep your bottom lines together, which were successful, you can run the top line from last year, to some people's chagrin, and maybe the only change is the 2nd line...What would Perfetti-Sillinger-Lambert look like as an NHL line? Maybe the competition is Barlow vs. Lambert in camp. You still keep all those guys in bottom six roles that played up the lineup last year, so it's not a drastic change.

Then you just have to get the necessary picks and d-men for Ehlers and it's a different team, without changing a lot of parts, which is how Chevy seems to work.
 
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so perfetti gets two assists in 23 games and it's his lines fault. Okey dokey...

That's not what I said.
But other players were as bad, or worse, and didn't get press boxed.
The key part of that was that he was still playing well most of the time - both ways.

That said, he is more playmaker than goal scorer. He depends on teammates to finish.
 
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so perfetti gets two assists in 23 games and it's his lines fault. Okey dokey...
We’ve been through this but a long line of Jets regulars went just as longer or longer not scoring or putting up points and were not demoted or put in the press box. Don’t forget as well that it really was only about 10 games in the top 6, the rest were on the 4th line with very limited ice. They should have stuck with him like they did with everyone else.

Byfield scored one goal in his last 23 games and the Kings stuck with him .
 
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Yup and then early in the year having him 9th in forward ice time when he was third in scoring while being very responsible defensively. Players aren't stupid, they see when they aren't getting their due.

I wish the organization would set players up to succeed instead of putting weights on them and hoping they swim. This trial by fire isn't going to cut it when young players have more bargaining power than before. Wouldn't be surprised if Perfetti signs an offer sheet this offseason.
 

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Honestly, probably not. That said, Columbus probably isn't in a position to wait much longer, so with an add from us, I think they could be convinced to pull the trigger. Columbus also has a couple of Michigan kids in their roster (Fantilli, Brindley, Johnson), so I'd imagine McG would love the opportunity to be re-united with his college teammates.

Yeah I think McG might sign there given he has a number of teammates on the roster and there is opportunity. Not sure what kind of plus we would need to give.

Jiricek and Nemec are from the same draft class as McG. Both drafted higher but neither has really shown any more potential than Rutger has. Give them a little plus for playing a premium position. But McG could be converted to C.

We could also take a LHD. A strong LHD on each pair is one way to go. I would prefer a RHD.

C is also a possibility.

I don't think NJ is really looking to move on from Nemec just yet.

It's possible we could pry Jiricek out of CBJ though.
 

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I mean, it should be pretty obvious that the jets would have discussed all the available options to him...

Sure. Of course. How was it presented? What was emphasized? Moose? Or opportunity?

There are incentives a player can be offered to sign sooner rather than later. Was he offered a game to reduce his ELC? Etc.

I'm guessing the Jets told him that he would have to earn a spot and it might not be at C. And if that spot was looking like 4th line, they would prefer he play top minutes in the AHL than play bottom minutes in the NHL until he's ready for a top 9 spot.

Reasonable guess. But we don't know what he was offered or how it was presented. We don't know that he has decided not to sign with Jets or, if so, why not.

In the end it won't matter. If that is his decision all that matters is what Jets do about it.
 

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Sure. Of course. How was it presented? What was emphasized? Moose? Or opportunity?

There are incentives a player can be offered to sign sooner rather than later. Was he offered a game to reduce his ELC? Etc.
let me just call up chevy and ask... idk, it just seems like a no brainer that the jets would have told him he would need to earn a spot out of training camp and if he couldn't do that he would start with the moose..
 

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Well this is shitty news to wake up to.

I really liked McG and by all accounts it seemed like he was excited to be drafted by the Jets. Perhaps his recent individual success has gone to his head and he feels like he should be in the top 9 out of the gate. It's a shame because he seems like such a good kid but perhaps he just doesn't feel like there is a shot for that currently.

At any rate there seems to be a lot of draft picks available this year. Jackets have 4th overall out there and surely they would likely have a spot for Rutger available. A top 4 pick essentially ensures we could draft one of Demidov (RW/C), Levshunov (RHD) or Parekh (RHD). Plenty of other good options as well like Lindstrom (C), Silayev (LHD), Dickinson (LHD),

Other teams that come to mind are Buffalo, Montreal, Utah, Chicago.

I would prefer an already partially developed prospect, especially in what seems to be a weak draft class. But a top 10 pick should still be able to bring a very strong prospect at a position of need.
 
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